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[–] 105 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Hmm something’s missing. Where is the ai integration?

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  • [–] 115 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    “Your clock has been set to UTC+08:00 since this is what most people use.”

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not enough AI. Gotta use the webcam+AI to set the timezone to one that's most frequently used by people of whatever ethnicity it thinks you are.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    no no, it just needs your location data every second to make sure it's set to the correct time zone. Microsoft and their 1.8 million partners decided that the clock can't work without your location data.

    (I'm joking, for the inevitable person that's going to try to disagree)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What do you think this update is for?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Replacing some code/bug that‘s been present since xp probably would be my second guess.

    I’m still waiting(but not really) for them to fix the rdp app(msstore) but instead they killed it and now we have the „windows app“. What the fuck is even that backwards nondescript name.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lol, waiting for Microsoft to fix things? Oh boy, your gonna be waiting awhile.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I was kinda hoping for the last 2 years. at my most recent ex workplace we had to manually apply every update (website basically) via rdp/teamviewer or whatever. So it would’ve been relatively nice to use the rdp tool which allows you to group and save your connections, if it wasn’t for the simple fact, that this application would crash your system‘s Explorer every time meaning you can’t copy shit. So i checked again and again and sure enough instead of fixing this one not that minor bug, they completely abandoned the application in favor of the windows app which our system administrator would’ve had to configure first, so it would not work at all. Thankfully I don’t have to cosplay as a ci anymore so all things considered nah I’ve stopped waiting for anything from ms. As you said it’s not worth it.

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  • [–] 206 points 1 year ago (36 children)

    We're going to restart your computer during active hours. Your work will be interrupted. Fuck you.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (15 children)
  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Isn't everything being saved automatically anyway, when you work in the cloud (i.e. SharePoint)?

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Your Comment (version 1).xlsx has been auto-recovered. Do you want it?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    No, thanks! ;-)

    Actually I work a lot with Office Documents on SharePoint in my job and for each of them "automatic saving" is on, so you never have to worry about anything. Just close the application when you're done and your work is always up-to-date.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    MS disabled the auto-save function for anything on a local disk, which is necessary for me because I use *gasp* version control software.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    If you turn off a few of Microsoft's more insane tracking in the privacy settings, it disables the autosave "feature". The autosave fucked up version tracking badly enough that it was nice to have a global kill button.

    I have found that turning off most new "features" that Microsoft makes recently is usually for the best.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Makes sense. You wouldn’t want to hammer that file onto disk every second.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Auto-saving works great except when I'm using an existing document as a template to make a new one only to remember 45 minutes in that I forgot to disable auto-save or make a copy to start with and the original document is gone.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Libreoffice does this without forcing you to allow them to store all of your files. Because it's a feature that doesn't rely on any kind of cloud bs, MS just added that requirement because they are assholes that have no respect for their users.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I have to use Power BI for my job and it does automatically saves until it's been open too long and then it stops automatically saving and also won't let you manually save. Then you have to do a Save As for some reason, close every open PBI file, and reopen them, which takes approximately 3-5 business days.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah, came home to my pc having restarted itself for updates the other day, despite having 2 VMs running at the time that were not properly shut down. Then Windows tried to push their cloud backup on me... twice, and it reset my mouse speed to the default for some reason

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Then Windows tried to push their cloud backup on me... twice

    This is major boundary respect by Microsoft's standards

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Cloud backup just means they will use all and any data on your pc and network to train their shitty ai to do more shitty things and continue stealing our data. Yay future.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Lets say they don't use private data for training

    (Continue reading when you're done laughing):

    Eventually, victims eventually run out of "free" storage.

    The humble corporation will do a bunch of psychologically unethical tricks to basically hypnotize users into forking over those three digits at the back of the family credit card.

    Now the victim's data is effectively held ransom. Keep paying or lose it.

    But they won't stop paying. They paid for a year's plan at a discount and the peaceful megacorp conveniently hit autorenew for them at checkout.

    12 months roll around and oopsie, they already have the money. They could go through the refund process, but they've got shit on their plate, might as well keep it for another year.

    I could keep rambling, but on Lemmy, I'm probably preaching to the choir about the first verse of genesis.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The 'keep changing hours' section in this article works for me whenever I have to use that partition.

    https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-updates-restart-disable

    You pretty much create the script and have the task scheduler run it hourly. (You should be able to make it silent, though I've never bothered for the hourly, half-second cmd blip)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    You should be able to make it silent

    You can make it silent. Create a .vbs file, open it in a text editor, and input the following...

    Set WshShell = CreateObject("WScript.Shell") WshShell.Run chr(34) & "z:\path\to\your\script.cmd" & Chr(34), 0 Set WshShell = Nothing

    Have your scheduled task run the .vbs, rather than your initial script.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    inb4 some commenter says this doesn't happen.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    It doesn't happen to me, but I took a proactive approach to prevent it from happening. I don't remember what that action was, since I did it years and years ago... but I know it's possible. You just have to literally more than nothing to prevent these things.

    Or you could switch to linux... but that takes an even more proactive approach.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    My approach was spending even more money for the pro version so I could access the OS settings paywalled by group policy and set it to never automatically download updates.

    It would tell me about updates, but wouldn't do shit until I clicked a button on the update page to actually install them (though without the option to pick and choose which ones).

    It still nagged me about stupid shit I didn't want, like edge, bing, one drive, and their office subscription.

    So when I built a newer computer, I gave them $0 and installed Fedora and laugh at my former reluctance because it's actually been easier and I haven't even had moments where I wished I had just stuck with windows.

    Not saying that it's been perfect without any issues, I just recall that there were also issues on windows to deal with, a lot more dated responses showing up in searches that tell you do go to some setting window that no longer exists because the question was answered 6 months ago. Oh and I haven't had to fight my fucking OS deciding to change my settings back to the shitty defaults they set (plus Linux just has better defaults, so doesn't even need as much settings tweaking).

    And as an added bonus, switching made me finally pull the plug on xbox game pass, which was a nice idea but I still mostly just spent my time playing games on steam and forgetting to check game pass when buying games on sale, so it was kinda a waste of money. But each time I considered getting rid of it before, I'd instead convince myself it was good to have and end up playing some games on there for a few days before forgetting about it again.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    you could switch to linux

    Done

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Ah, so not even speaking from experience, then.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    ... why are internet people like this?

    I used windows constantly for 20+ years. Since windows 7 I noticed this auto-restarting bullshit. I switched to linux in 2021. What kind of gotcha do you think you have.. ?

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I never said it didn't happen, I said you had to take steps to make it not happen.

    Why are you like this? With the incessant need to be right and everyone else wrong?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    ok. "no experience" in what exactly?

    not everyone -- just people who are confidently incorrect.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Hmm I think now they meant the original "switch to linux" bit sarcastically and are stuck in a mindset thinking that it's way more complicated than windows and thus anyone claiming to have already switched must be lying...?

    Though thinking about it more, it kinda feels like a bad faith response, posting about a vague windows solution that they want people to know exists but doesn't want to share, while treating Linux as big and scary and requiring more effort than fighting against what your OS really wants you to do.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Just a moment

    Progress bar at 100%

    Progress text reads "complete"

    Wait 2 hours

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Why am I reminded of Monty Python's Meaning Of Life?

    "Doctor, what do I do?"

    "NOTHING! YOU'RE. NOT. QUALIFIED!"

    "PING!"

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    My wife came to me saying her laptop wasn't working. She was on it last night. It was forcing a Windows account login. Shift-10 disabled so I couldn't bypass.

    Microsoft can straight fuck itself after this. Trying to brick an 8 year old laptop with a local account. Fuck that noise. My wife is gonna have to learn Linux.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    trying to reinstall Windows on a used computer I got recently sent me over the edge. holy fucking shit that was so complicated. there is just no way to install windows without a Microsoft account now, their documentation is both out of date in some locations, non-existent in others (posts removed), and seemingly up-to-date yet incorrect in other locations. I followed the instructions for installing with a Microsoft account and then unlinking it, and it was fucking hell. I had to do some back door shit (not really, but stuff that the average user doesn't stand a chance of doing) in order to get my account actually unlinked so that I could sign in with the local credentials

    I will not be buying Microsoft again. just going to transition slowly as Windows 10 fades away

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Download pro, during install before setting initial account: shift+f10 (may have to hold fn key if laptop). When the cmd box opens type oobe\bypassnro hit enter an PC reboots. Disconnect networking. Say I don't have internet. Now you can do local accounts.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How long have you been waiting? You'll never know mwahahaha

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    And why the fuck is windows always "preparing" to do something!? Are you generating a record of my activities to phone home with? Just do the damn thing!

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    Clock needs an update? To decimal time, or what?

    Or did they have to patch it because they managed to build a security hole into the original?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    New cities in world clock probably

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    So why does that need a whole new clock app? That would just be an update to tzdata on a Linux system.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I remember seeing this update on some machines I set up for work and wondering the same. It occurs the first time the clock app is launched, and the "update" is really just pulling the time zone data and setting the clock to what is accurate (internet based world clock), seperate from the bios time it was going off of prior to that. It's really just looks worse than it is.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah but that shouldn't be so data or read/write intensive that you need an entire splash. Should take less than a second on any hardware capable of running w11.

    Is it just doing some weird backend patching to make it compatible with the rest of windows somehow?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It makes sense in a weird way, but it doesn't feel right for a clock. You need to account for the case where it does take longer than it should to update, because sometimes it will for any number of really weird reasons. So you can't just design for the best case scenario.
    Now that you have a splash screen you need to ask yourself if it's better to show the splash screen while doing the update, or to just let the app be unresponsive for the common case of a moment and then show the splash if it goes over that.
    The answer is to show the splash in the common case too.
    Now people are seeing a "weird screen" for a moment before they can process what they're seeing. So you need to make the screen have a minimum display time to keep people from being confused.

    It's weird, but people can sometimes be more confused by thinking something happened too fast.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Good arguments for any given program, just hard to imagine they're still valid for a clock. There's no other example i can't think of that a clock has noticeable startup delay or even update time. In the most charitable wording this is exceptional, a unique example amongst the broadest class of programs.

    I now realize it's probably not worth attempting to convince me to not be cynical, i'm having as much trouble as OP with this lol. Thanks for your thoughts though.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Oh, don't get me wrong. It's odd for a clock to act this way, just not inexplicable. At best it's an example of UI standards being applied without regard to sense, which is very much in line with Microsoft.

    Most other clocks will do something similar, they just do it in the background. Something that's a lot easier to do if you're not following a UI framework that says you're never allowed to change something in a way that might cause the user to see a weird shift. Other things just acknowledge that clock sync should only take a few milliseconds before the clock is even visible, that a timezone DB update will rarely cause a change of more than an hour, and that a user will probably not even notice if there's a shift.

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  • Not that I'm thinking about it I bet it's because the clock is a local app when the OS installs, but if you sign into a Microsoft account they probably re-install the clock from a Microsoft Store version. Which would give it the ability to auto sync features pertaining to your calendar and shit. So items you put in your Microsoft Planner will integrate automatically. Meaning of you use a local account there is likely no update, but if you sign in all your tasks, calendar items and shit likely automatically populate into it.

    Bet they tried to integrate it into copilot or something as well, so like in Android if you told Google assistant or Gemini to set an alarm it is able to add it directly to you calendar and such.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I was going to ask what major cities have changed names, but we are on the brink of WWIII.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    There's thousands and thousands of them around the world. And other countries are developing faster than the U.S. too.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Developing country or not, major cities don't just change names without major conflicts anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    New major cities, or smaller ones that weren't previously listed.

    Like in the U.S, major cities are usually actually a dozen or more cities making up a metro area. I distinctly remember in the 2010s a lot of world clocks would only list the name of the metro area and maybe one or two others for a given metro area.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    That doesn't happen often enough or with the urgency that requires Microsoft to push an individual update. Actually, I'm perfectly fine with not actually having my town listed and only being able to give Microsoft a city that's an hour away from me.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    It's just getting updated to, modern times. (☞゚ヮ゚)☞

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Also Clock is now an Electron app running in its own instance of Chromium, because the devs are afraid of static typing, thus everything needed to be in Javascript.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    This makes me sad. I get using electron for cross-platform stuff like VSCode or all the other examples (trying to do desktop apps with decent looking UIs that work across Linux/Windows/Mac is a nightmare) but the clock that only works on windows? WPF and/or WinUI ARE RIGHT FUCKING THERE WHAT THE HELL?!

    THEY'RE YOUR FUCKING PRODUCTS, MICROSOFT!!!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    trying to do desktop apps with decent looking UIs that work across Linux/Windows/Mac is a nightmare

    I'd argue that both Qt as well as GTK is right there for the taking… but those are not "industry-standard".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Also there was a big push for "web first" applications, thus there's a lot of developers with that kind of knowledge. In college, I was instructed to instead of learning software optimizations, to learn how to outsource complicated computations to the cloud, where there will be always enough compute, so I can write my code "as clean as possible, without worrying about optimizations".

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That explains so, so much. Not just why everything wants to connect somewhere, but also disasters like programs with >1000 npm package dependencies. Why learning the right way if you've always been told to go the easy way.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wha? That's a dangerous mindset to teach. The last thing you want is to add network latency to every interaction or tether an app to the internet when it doesn't really need it (but I guess big tech didn't get the memo on that one).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Probably skill issue on my end tbh but here goes:

    I'll admit I've never tried GTK. I've always assumed it was specific to linux and used to make apps that look a certain way (like they were made for gnome) vs allowing you to make UIs the way you want to. Maybe I should look into this more.

    Qt I'd say is "industry standard" but I've never been able to figure it out (so definitely skill issue here). It's just that every time I've tried it, it's been confusing where you're even supposed to start. Also the last time I tried it I was a bit lost because I assume that I'm supposed to use Qt 6 (?) but it requires me to create an account because there's a whole community/enterprise pricing thing (fair enough, nobody's entitled to OSS work, especially not billion/trillion dollar companies). I plan to look again but that's where I've been stuck so far.

    I hate shipping chromium for every single app and it's easy to fuck up a react app but there's something to be said about cutting through the BS, just building, and having it work the same everywhere. Webapps won't perform as well as native but they will perform well enough that it's fine assuming the product owners give a shit.

    Still learning but this has been my sentiment so far.

    Edit:
    Been playing around with iced.rs a bit and it looks promising but I haven't done anything past beginner stuff so no fully formed opinions yet.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I've always assumed [GTK] was specific to linux and used to make apps that look a certain way (like they were made for gnome) vs allowing you to make UIs the way you want to.

    That definition more or less applies to Libadwaita, which is basically a fork of GTK4 but specifically for Gnome with lack of proper theming. However both of those Frameworks can be used on any desktop platform. It's just not very common to be used outside of Linux.

    There's also Libadapta, a fork of Libadwaita that reintroduces theming capabilities. Both it and GTK4 can be themed with CSS, so you can very much make it look however you want. One example of something that's GTK but absolutely doesn't look like it would be KlipperScreen.

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