A company being able to deactivate your purchased property is absolutely dystopian
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So stupid. So petty. Elon needs to grow the fuck up.
Also Dinna Eskin, Esq. (wanted to make sure I included the title so I don’t get sued) and all the other soulless people blindly following orders to take home that paycheck and cash in on that stock
The "Esquire" isn't a reserved title. Anyone can be an Esquire, it means nothing.
Yeah, I apologize for not including the /s there, I should have spelled it E/sq.
Americans use it differently, and there it essentially means “I’m a lawyer”, for all genders.
Actually, it's very rare for a lawyer to refer to themselves using that title. They'll refer to other lawyers using it, not themselves. Using it in a signature line is pretty suspect, instead of just "Attory at law".
We need to make sure that people can't have this kind of power.
He is a symptom of the real problem.
Clippy moment 📎💬
Unacceptable. It should be illegal to even build the capability to brick someone else's property
This is a major feature of nearly all cars now. Dealerships can remotely track and disable cars when people fall behind on their payments. That's because so many people fall behind on payments nowadays, they need easy mechanisms for dealing with it. America is cooked.
This should indocate to everyone that you cannot rely on any car to work that has this capability.
same with the F-35s sold to other countries. and those cost a lot more than even a cybertruck. imagine it being disabled mid-flight. probably entirely possible.
I mean, that's a tiny bit different. That's something you want to be sure will never end up aiding a terrorist attack against you.
Cybertrucks only kill people accidentally.
as far as I know (which is not a whole lot) terrorists only fly commercial planes. though I'm sure you can probably find the F-35 Handbook on the War Thunder forums.
So here's the neat part! They just make it so that you technically are renting the car and so they can brick it up all they want since technically they own the vehicle!
that's not the case here though
They'll pull the same crap they do with digital content you "buy." Technically you're just buying a license to use the vehicle, not actually buying the vehicle itself.
Oi! Don't bring clippy into this! He was an innocent clip from a better era! More like a qevlarr@lemmy.world moment 👎🖕!!

Edit: lol my poor clippy just getting hated on
I agree. I was referring to Louis Rossmann's Clippy campaign that we should not accept this as consumers but we want technology to help us, like Clippy
Edit: let's not mass downvote for an innocent misunderstanding, even if they worded it a bit strongly. C'mon now
This is a good case to battle the shit out of Tesla in court and set a landmark verdict on the "you buy but don't own" abuse.
Usually this would however require that courts are capable of reaching proper verdicts, that the government actually cared about the people, that consumer protection agencies had any footing etc. Alas, all of them are infiltrated by the big capital corporations.
Also, how is it protected from a song? Satire and parody are fair game.
I mean, maybe it could work right now, considering how elmo and dump had a falling out. People might be able to leverage dumps pettiness to get a verdict on something like this. Now would be the time to try, though.
I think this actually has a chance, but only because it affects millionaires. in any case the outcome would be very positive as it would apply elsewhere.
Eh effecting millionaires has less effect realistically, but if this could hit the billionaires by having a large settlement that cuts into revenue and effects the stock price you may see a change in tune regarding this type of behavior. Either way I agree this one could actually do something and considering the short term thinking of this administration I could see dump pushing this to Rule against tesla to spite elmo and then consequently giving us a default rulling for other vehicles. What's the saying a broken clock can still be right twice a day, gotta take the small wins where we can right now.
Imagine:
You have parking lots full of your cars that can't sell because your CEO is basically in the top 5 of horrible humans.
You have horror stories about kids burning alive in the cars because they couldn't open the doors.
You have a Rapper, with social following, in Detroit, Motor City, with a 100k model of your car who makes a song about how you're fucking up, and you shut down his 100k car and send a c&d.
Could you imagine a PR department being this bad at its job?
He could make a music video burning the thing to the ground and make his money back.
I thought Tesla fired their PR department?
No they just replaced it with a keyboard in a room full of cats with grok interpreting the random input.
I'm sure somebody is taking responsibility for it. You can't do stupid shit and not have somebody else to fire.
That's strange you don't think the PR department takes its marching orders from their furher directly
Hey maybe we shouldn't have a world where car companies can remotely deactivate your vehicle if you say mean things about them?
If car companies can't remotely deactivate your vehicle, how will they be able to extort you and harass you and sell you out to the police?
This has been standard in every car made after 2003
If your car is newer than that, the police can request the car company disable your engine.
It's fucked up and evil, but it isn't new, just the first time it's been blatantly abused
I think you're off by a decade there. My 2010 car has no mobile connectivity.
Cars having satellite gps has been standard for most manufacturers since the early 2000s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_navigation_system
Not suitable for this.
GPS is a purely one-way method, with the satellites transmitting only their position and a timecode, leaving the receiver to do the triangulation. And if they did send any sort of custom data packets over that method, it would just confuse the crap out of every other receiver across most of the world, causing potential device crashes, drawing attention from ham operators worldwide...
And also massively pissing off the US military. Turns out a lot of their equipment and munitions make use of GPS and INS, so fucking with those satellites is a no-go.
You might be off by a couple of years there. And even if you aren't, the 3G network those cars would've relied on for communications has been shut down so remotely doing anything to your 2004 car today would be impossible.
Wrong, that didn't start until like 2015 or later even.
Just looked up the lyrics and it's just Huey saying he drives a cybertruck because he's got money. I bet the only reason Musk hates it is because he's a racist shitbag
Big Huey’s track, reportedly titled “Cyberflop” based on social media buzz, lampooned the Cybertruck’s design flaws and reliability issues, echoing widespread criticisms that have plagued the vehicle since its 2019 unveiling
The "reportedly" here is a dead give away here that the author didn't bother with even the slightest research.
I didn't want to listen to the entire thing but it sure doesn't sound like a diss track to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIWGAnYutq0
Things that are surprising me right now (not in order):
- Big Huey is such a non-entity. There are 3 tracks of his (& one collab) on the whole damn internet that I can see. Why did Tesla even bother?
- The video is flattering to the deactivated item. They can afford to lose admirers right now? Why do they feel so safe?
- There are no written records of the lyrics on the internet I could find.
- Why does his label's website have an offer to "buy a verse"? Dude so unfamous and lacking success he's trying to sell clout to strangers.
- Yet he owns a cybertruck and has only needed to make a handful of videos over the last 4 years.
- The news wants us to think Tesla is retaliating over a dissenting view, erroneously (?!)
The whole thing reads like a maze of mirrors. At no point does the story make actual sense. Did we really see a jumped-up vanity project get stomped by a mega corp for no actual reason?
What explanation could make this series of events make sense? Is Huey a Tesla plant? Is this a (botched? Who knows) test balloon by the company trying to create a legal precedent for corporate powers to smash all dissent? Then why would they pick a target that was favourable to them? They must not want to prejudice the jury...
I can't make the pieces all fit. But I feel that it must make complete sense to one of the players.
Or, is this unknown rapper just faking a C&D letter for attention for his new track?
Doesn't fit, does it? His work only really fits the profile of a passion or maybe a vanity project. His "label" selling verses in his tracks makes me think he's really all about clout and fakey sort of posturing bullshit, so that does fit the MO of a faked C&D. Would a spoiled manchild risk a defamation* suit by falsifying legal notices from one of the largest, most oligarchic, most childishly run corporations in the world? Maybe. But that doesn't explain why the news sites are falsely characterizing his track as a critique of the truck.
- Libel maybe? IANAL but it seems risky
Yeah I saw that and it appears to be wrong.
Check it out for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIWGAnYutq0
This is what happens when you buy a car from a tech company. There is no reason that a Ts&Cs should ever come with a car - but here we are. For now, avoid any company that does things like this. Top of mind are Tesla and BMW
Similarly, if you piss off Ferrari, they’ll ban you from buying another.
Yeah but they won't take away the one you have
Give them a few years. If it's not explicitly illegal every car company will do eventually.
Depends. Some of them require a full Ferrari support crew and can only run at Ferrari-approved tracks.
Yeah we don't really care about the rights a few billionaires may have to play with the toys whose cost could have fed countless families.
My outrage only works up to a... Idk, 300k€ price?
300k€
I choose to read this as 300 kiloeuro.
Which would work as intended no? 1 kiloeuro would be 1000 euros ergo 300000 euros. Maybe I'm just dumb and that was the point if so carry on lol
Absolutely. I'm just accustomed to seeing the currency sign on the left and prefix abbreviation on the right (ex. €300k). Generally, it gets "expanded" to thousand, million, etc. So, three-hundred thousand euro. The things that amused me is thinking of a kiloeuro as a measurement unit, rather than a currency unit.
Lol yeah I see that I think what could have made it a step up in amusement is had they expressed the amount in British pounds. It would of seemed like a peak British moment of mixing imperial units with metric units and seeing a kilo pound would have just sent me rolling XD
Calling it buying is the problem. It is proprietary internet connected garbage. It is a rental you paid buyer money for. No one owns a Tesla. No Tesla is for sale, and neither is any car that runs proprietary internet connect software. Someone else ultimately controls it. That person is the real owner. Primitive idiots struggle to understand this exceptionally simple concept. Terms and conditions are you selling your rights as a citizen willing to become a slave to someone else. It isn't normal. It exists because people are not smart enough to say no and stand up for themselves. I don't rent one of these shit cars, or watch TV with terms and conditions, or run shitty operating systems, or stalkerware whore myself to bezos' camera on the front of my home as a doorbell. None of this is actually normal. It's fools selling their rights as citizens in a democracy for peanuts and IOUs.
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