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[+] 345 points 1 year ago (28 children)
  • [–] 126 points 1 year ago (9 children)
    • Working class: retirement vegan
    • American: healthcare vegan
    • German: humour vegan

    My god, it's unstoppable

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I love your profile image. I should reread Rice Boy.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    High five, fuck yes. Cool person detected. I think you're the first one to spot it, too.

    I wish I had that series in print. Might be time to look into that

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ooh, print would be amazing. $30 for the softcover, wonder about shipping though...
    I have to believe you're underestimating how recognizable TOE is.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It’s like taking the last syllable of the name of the hotel and tacking it onto every scandal, because you didn’t understand that it’s part of the name of a hotel, and not some sort of indicator of scandal.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Recycling: waste vegans.

    The Germans are probably upset with this comparison

    What for a nonsense. Do these other countries not sort their waste or what? Do they not know about efficiency? Next thing you're going to tell me they don't sort their white, green and brown glass separately.

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  • [–] 144 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    It’s quite common for me to be annoyed, angry, or upset at a headline writer. Then there’s the feeling I got reading “Meet the AI vegans.”

    Whole new level.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago

    People just going about their business living their lives as they have for many years...

    Silicon Valley: Hey fuck you. Also I came up with a dumb nickname for you.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    "Newspaper which uses AI to write its articles concocts derogatory term for people who doesn't use AI"

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Wow, thank you so much for sharing this. What a major blow to the Guardian's credibility

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    It was short lived. It is often called the Grauniad because of poor quality typos etc. historically.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Got a source for the Guardian no longer using AGI? Given a 'desperately trying to convince people that AI is cool' title like this, discontinued use seems highly unlikely

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I was referring to their credibility being short lived. I have no idea of their AGI usage. I'm still annoyed that when the UK Labour party had a left wing leader, they spent a lot of effort discrediting him. They're usually crap on Israel/Palestine and have been historically pro-zionist on the UK site.

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  • [–] 114 points 1 year ago

    This is such a stupid name for this.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    i wonder if they came up with such term to mock those who dont want to use ai and possibly actual vegans on the side.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    They use to mock us with “Luddite” but the Technologists looked into that actual movement (rather than the caricature) and agreed, “yeah sure, like them”. That took the sting out of the pejorative, so they picked another mocked group to connect it with.

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  • [–] 105 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Abstaining from a thing does not make one a vegan. That's not how any of this works.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's like how they put the word gate after something to say that it is a scandal involving the former word.

    Somesort of political scandal involving road maintenance? Oh yes well that's roadgate then. Even though the Watergate scandal was in fact it scandal in the watergate hotel, rather than a scandal about water.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I'm sex vegan. Cry about it virgins

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “Vegan sex” is actually a different thing. It’s penetration but you stop before you cum.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If the human you're fucking consented, then consuming their fluids is vegan. Hell if they consent, eating them would be vegan too.

    Animals do not consent to having fluids extracted or their lives taken and flesh consumed. Animal agriculture keeps animals in filthy, torturous conditions too, which no animal would ever consent to either.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I had a fish that died by suicide. We didn't eat it, but arguably

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It was kept in captivity by you though, which is not it's natural habitat so any choices it made were, arguably, under duress.

    If you lived by a creek and regularly recognised a fish swimming by, and one day this fish killed itself in front of you- you still shouldn't eat it as fish contain a lot of parasites and there's very likely also something toxic in the water causing the fish to harm itself this way.

    But yeah, sure, hypothetically: if for a year or so you knew a wild fish that lived in an unpolluted and ecologically healthy body of water, and one day this fish chose to kill itself in front of you. You could, if you really wanted to eat a suicidal fish, eat the fish and say it was vegan because the only harm that came to the fish was through the un-coerced choices of said suicidal fish.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean, abstaining from animal products makes someone a vegan, right? If you abstain from AI products then it would follow that you’re an “AI vegan”.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It follows, but it is also feels like click bait.

    A definition of vegan is:

    A vegetarian who eats plant products only, especially one who uses no products derived from animals, as fur or leather.

    There is an environmental parallel, and it made me read the article to see what they were on about -- so I guess it worked.

    To be clear, I am very pro environment (I live in it); I just feel like this is crossing the streams of related, but completely different movements, isn't particularly helpful.

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  • [–] 103 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Calling them after a maligned (if harmless) group seems like a choice to paint refusing to use AI as being annoying, preachy and scorn-worthy.

    They seem very determined to pressure people into using AI regardless of it's practicality, environmental impact, or anything. Fuck this shit.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    There’s been recent pushes in that regard, investment in AI shit has been enormous but the financial payoff for anyone besides hardware manufacturers remains nonexistent. So investors and corporations have recently redoubled their efforts into trying to get everyone to use it in the hopes that this somehow will make them profitable.

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  • [–] 83 points 1 year ago*

    "Have you ever been called an AI vegan?"

    "No... Shit no! I believe saying something like that'd get your ass kicked!"

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What bullshif us this?

    A. I vegan is a nonesence title.

    How about " people who don't want the world to end even faster tell corps to fuck off"

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I don't use A.I. because I've had nothing but negative interactions with A.I. Customer service bots that fail to give adequate responses, unhelpful and incorrect search result summaries, and, "art," that looks like shit hasn't made me want to sign up for ChatGPT or Gemini. For most people, this isn't a moral stance, it's just that the product isn't worth paying for. Stop framing people that don't use A.I. as luddites with an ax to grind just because tech bros spent billions on a product that isn't good yet.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's fair to say that the environmental and ethical concerns are significant and I wouldn't look down in anyone refusing to use AI for those reasons. I don't look down on vegetarians or vegans either - I don't have to agree with someone's moral stance or choices to respect them.

    But you're right, LLMs are full of crap.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    LLMs definitely are full of crap. But that isn't the point of them (even if some corporations make it seem like it is)

    They are supposed to be used for text generation. And you are supposed to read through everything afterwards to correct any hallucinations.

    It can't work on its own, and make mistakes about 30% of the time.

    But there are use cases where that isn't a problem. Use them as inspiration for creative writing prompts for example. They are crazy good at that.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    You only notice AI-generated content when it’s bad/obvious, but you’d never notice the AI-generated content that’s so good it’s indistinguishable from something generated by a human.

    I don’t know what percentage of the “good” content we see is AI-generated, but it’s probably more than 0 and will probably go up over time.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Shit take, the more AI-made media is online, the harder it is for AI developing companies to improve on previous models.

    It won't be indistinguishable from media made with human effort, unless you enjoy wasting your time on cheap uninteresting manmade slop then you won't be fooled by cheap uninteresting and untrue AI-made slop.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    the harder it is for AI developing companies to improve on previous models.

    They all use each other's data to improve. That's federated learning!

    In a way, it's good because it helps have more competition

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I was talking about ai training on ai output, ai requires genuine data, having a feedback loop makes models regress, see how ai makes yellow pictures because of the ghibli ai thing

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sure, that mainly applies when it's the same model training on itself. If a model trains on a different one, it might retrieve some good features from it, but the bad sides as well

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    AI requires genuine data, period. Go read about it instead of spewing nonsense.

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    If they weren’t trained on the same data, it ends up similar

    Training inferior models with superior models output can lower the gap between both. It’ll not be optimal by any means and you might fuck its future learning, but it will work to an extent

    The data you feed it should be good quality though

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Maybe, but that doesn't change the fact that it was trained on stolen artwork and is being used to put artists out of work. I think that, and the environmental effect, are better arguments against AI than some subjective statement about whether or not it's good.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I try not to use AI at all. I am not missing out on anything.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I also try, but it is invoked on my behalf. For instance, at work if I make a pull request now multiple AI bots are summoned to give an analysis of my code changes. It's extremely verbose and annoying, and I think basically nobody reads it because all it does is just spam the comments section with way too much text.

    I vehemently hate OpenAI, ChatGPT, et al. At least it's funny when it summarizes my changes as significant improvements that improve code maintainability. I guess getting glazed by the bot in a way my manager can see is helpful to my career? Though honestly he probably also doesn't read that shit. So glad all this energy is wasted for nothing.

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  • [+] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    They may have come to this decision through experience.

    Having used it a bit, I find it's like someone a bit stupid with a lot of time on their hands, but no knowledge, saying "I'll learn everything you need to know from Google and write you an answer", just speeded up a lot. And just as frustrating.

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