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[–] 60 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Bill Burr, the King of Ambivalence.

He says a lot of stuff that’s dead on right, then he turns around and says some beleif that makes him a dick.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago

    I actually love Bill Burr and he is the only comedian that makes me laugh out loud in front of the TV. :)

    I know its not all funny and some things are weird but that's fine for me. Its not often I actually do laugh out loud like crazy at someone. He says what I want to say in some social situations but I don't. :)

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  • [–] 24 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Comedy actually does play an important role in society addressing topics like this.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 day ago (14 children)

    Bill Blood Money Burr.

    Fuck that guy.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    I do not know anything about him, why do some people have a negative opinion of him?

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  • [–] 55 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

    Bill's entire stage persona has been that of an everyman. While his material is diverse, it's mostly observational comedy, and he regularly criticized the rich along with celebrities that perform for morally dubious people.

    Some months ago, the Saudi Government hosted a comedy festival, and flew out pretty much all the big names, Bill included.

    So the man who partially built his career on being observant, relatable and joking about celebrities who perform for dictators, went and performed for a defacto dictatorship.

    After receiving massive backlash, he first tried to wash it on various interviews as some sort of "for the Saudi people, not the Saudi government" bs, which nobody bought, so he pivoted to antagonizing his critics (his own audience) like he does to hecklers.

    He is the only comedian whose work I cared about that went, and I held him in very high regard, but nobody should separate the art from the artist while the artist is still alive. He likely doesn't need the money, so it's safe to say it was motivated by greed, he contributed to the culture washing of a regime that murders people on the regular, including chopping up journalists in their own embassies.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

    Holy fuck, nobody is ever pure enough for Lemmy.

    I'm surprised people aren't pissing on Dolly Parton's grave around here.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago*

    Oh my god shut the fuck up.

    The guy made his entire persona around a set of standards and a certain level of integrity. Then he violated that and did the exact thing he criticized and mocked others for doing as soon as the dumptruck full of money got full enough.

    Thats not purity, thats proper deserved criticism.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Brabeck clarify drinking water is a human right, and water for irrigation or for your front lawn is what should be taxed? I keep seeing this kind of meme brought up, and I think the same thing every time

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago (14 children)

    Wait, what? Why is that? What did I miss?

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  • [–] 29 points 1 day ago (7 children)
  • [–] 22 points 1 day ago*

    Comedians Mike Birbiglia, Shane Gillis, Stavros Halkias, Leslie Liao, Atsuko Okatsuka and "Weird Al" Yankovic were invited to perform, but they ultimately declined and spoke out against the event.

    Love Weird Al even more. Also:

    Okatsuka posted images of the offer she received, which she said included stipulations that the comedians could not perform material that violated certain Saudi censorship rules.[17] Restricted topics included the country itself, its legal system, the Saudi royal family, and religion.

    I order you to entertain or else vibes.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Shane Gillis declined and spoke out about it? That is quite interesting.

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  • [–] 2 points 13 hours ago

    Yeah, especially since he's best buddies with Tony "world's youngest pedophile" Hinchcliffe- I was expecting him to go and be excited about it.

    He hangs with literal racists, pedophiles, and nazis, and pretends he's so above all of it. He's so fucking awful.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    I never read the most of this article. Hilarious that Jim Jeffries spoke out before the event saying, “One journalist died. That’s not a hill I’m going to die on.” Then immediately gets sacked from the event.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    He performed at the Saudi comedy festival

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  • [–] 94 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    Fuck Bill Burr in his stupid fucking ass.

    It's so rare that I have a modicum of respect for anyone but this guy was somebody who I had a ton of respect for right up until the minute of that fucking blood money bone saw bullshit.

    I stopped watching all of the comedians that partook in that, but Bill was the one that was the biggest kick in the balls.

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  • [–] [S] 47 points 1 day ago* (6 children)

    Yeah, Bill of all people felt like a real backstab, the man's selling out MSG, I don't think he needed the money.

    Only thing I've heard of hi. since was when Conan had him on his podcast. His explanation somewhat softened my view, but still, you can't constantly bitch about billionaires and censorship and then go do Riyadh.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    It's not too surprising. I used to listen to the Monday Morning Podcast regularly, until (I think) 2019, when he went on a long rant about (my words) how stressful and burdensome it was to have a lot of money, because you're constantly having to guard it, and manage it, and be afraid of losing it. Not like how easy it is to be a poor schlub, because you don't have all that pressure to maintain an affluent lifestyle. I had heard him rant many times about how he's a comedian, so he says that a lot of things that aren't meant to be taken seriously. But, there was an edge to that poor-little-rich-man rant which didn't sound like a joke. Maybe. But it's a well-known effect of wealth that it decreases one's empathy, and that it can happen to anybody.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 day ago (15 children)

    I love Bill Burr, saw him like 5 times live.

    The thing is that, he was really on our side calling out a lot of the craziness. It's hard to overlook the Riyadh thing. I haven't followed him since, I still don't know if he apologized or anything.

    Still don't know why he needed to ... his career was on the up.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 day ago (14 children)

    He seemed to be taken by surprise at the blowback from Riyadh. His reasoning was "the governments can suck, but the people are great. I perform for the people." It's a viewpoint convenient to his wallet, but now he doesn't really bring it up.

    He still sees his job is to speak truth to power and always punch up, not down, but I believe he is also ignorant of the totality of the Saudi's evil. I'd rather try to bring him over to us than cast his voice aside.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago

    Even Shane Gillis had the wherewithal to turn the offer down. Bill knew he was selling out and played the victim when people called him out for it. He put a price on his authenticity and sold it right off.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago

    If he admitted he fucked up because he didn't know, I think he should get a pass. Not knowing every bad thing every group of people do shouldn't be punished, there's to many to keep track unfortunately. His response was very much lacking though.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago (11 children)

    Every government in the world does tremendous evil if you look carefully enough. If boycotting comedy in horrible countries was a prerequisite for comedy, we would have no comedy.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 day ago (10 children)

    It's not performing in Saudi Arabia that's wrong. It's that he performed for an evil regime.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    Exactly. I also don’t fuck with anyone who performs for Trump.

    Granted, that’s a pretty easy sacrifice given the level of talent Trump attracts.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 day ago* (8 children)

    Then you may want to look into some of the corporations and owners that run the stadiums comedians perform in. When he and john Stewart and a bunch of othes performed in Madison square garden a few days back, owned by trumps rich buddy, or basically any of the major venues in the USA, no one said anything. No one is innocent under capitalism, if you make money in this environment you have blood on your hands every day.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    There’s effectively a monopoly on stadiums in the US (see Macklemore's recent failure to secure stadiums for a US leg of his Free Palestine tour). Is there any way for an entertainer to have significant commercial success without getting in bed with a shitty steaming service, distributer or venue?

    No one is innocent under capitalism, if you make money in this environment you have blood on your hands every day.

    Yeah, I know this. But what is your point? Are you saying we should all just starve in the streets on principle? That we should just fuckit and YOLO cuz we can’t be perfect? That I should STFU about my ethical choices because no one can make perfect ethical choices in this late stage capitalist hellscape?

    Maybe we should normalize accepting and maybe even celebrating people’s efforts to be a little better? I love cheese but I can admire someone for being an ethical Vegan.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    I largely agree with much of what you're saying. I just think people draw lines in odd ways. Bill burrs comedy subverts all of the commerce he supports. He seems to want the same type of people he makes money, to die. But everyone should cancel him over one show? His work is culturally supporting things we believe in. Certainly people should draw lines in the sand, but they should also look at the big picture.

    Are you saying we should all just starve in the streets on principle?

    Obviously the opposite, I'm saying people exist in a world filled to the brim with shitty people and connections to those shitty people are inevitable, especially if you gain success. I could probably find at least one cancelable offense in every famous person you respect, given enough time, probably everyone you know personally as well. We are quick to toss people aside in today's world without taking the totality of who people are. If the totality of who they are is shitty that's one thing, but if they are already a reasonably decent person this moral purity test is ridiculous.

    Bill burrs response that he was told he could say what he wants, and it felt like in opportunity to reach an audience living under a strict authority, seems perfectly consistent with the rest of his public persona.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago*

    I dig where you’re coming from. The “subverting the commerce” feels a little like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifteen_Million_Merits but I still adore Rage Against the Machine, so 🤷🏾

    Along with Burr I think Carr, CK and Buress are smart and insightful and I miss their content, but they 100% knew who the show was for and that it’s an attempt to normalize an oppressive authoritarian regime. Performing for a repressed audience and planting seeds of new new ideas or bringing people together or whatever are all nice ideas but it feels like copium to justify the million dollar dirty paycheck. Maybe I’ll get over it eventually? I tend to hold grudges for a long time.

    Side note: I do think it’s hillarious that Jim Jeffries kinda took a similar tack and said in an interview something like “they killed a journalist, so what? We kill journalists too. We killed Epstine” and they dropped him from the festival 😂

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Again, appearing in a venue owned by someone is different than performing directly for that person.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 day ago*

    The money and power that person gets from their commerce makes that a pretty silly distinction, imo. I think the problem is really the story we tell our minds is easier to picture with a cartoon villain present in daily media we consume.

    With that said, if I was in his shoes I wouldn't have performed there, so im not exactly ready to die on this hill. I just think some of the lines we draw seem arbitrary, and stopping watching these comedians that have made all sorts of evil billionaires money, just because of one show under a shithead, seems silly.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    And nobody would care if the the saudi regime got money out of a comedy show. This is not what the festival did was it?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago*

    What a coincidence I was just listening to the smashing pumpkins on the way home

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  • [–] 12 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

    There are landlords here in my city that deserve the same treatment for having evicted hundreds of people for profits.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago (2 children)

    How does that work? They got new tenants to replace those they evicted?

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  • I live in the province of Québec, Canada. In Québec we have rent increase laws that don't allow landlords to increase prices as they want. You can read all about them here. In a nutshell, landlords have to follow the increase index set by the rent tribunal. If they increase it more than the rate, tenants can fight the increase. That means someone who has been living in the same apartment for a long time like 10, 20, or 30 years will have a relatively low rent compared to newer apartment buildings. The only way you can really kick out a tenant is if you have relatives who are going to take over the unit. (A lot of landlords abuse this rule to kick people out, but end up in court when the previous tenant can prove the landlord's relatives didn't move into the unit.)

    Alternatively, if you need to evict your tenant, and they agree, you have to pay for the moving & storage fees for their belongings, and pay for the difference in rent for 1 year. Most of the times, landlords will just give a lump sum to pay for these fees and they're often below what these fees would cost. The tenant can agree or refuse.

    Some landlords, especially property barons, will use aggressive tactics, intimidate their tenants, hire muscle to harass their tenants and do everything they can to make their lives miserable, including throwing all their belongings out the window.

    Typically this happens when someone buys the building to flip it for profit. They'll evict everyone, renovate with cheap materials and re-sell at an increased price. The new landlord will set the new increased rental price per unit as if it was a new building.

    And when this happens, all the old tenants can't afford to live there anymore, and because of property price speculation and how rents have increased across the board because of these tactics, they end up not being able to afford rent anywhere and become homeless.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Wait. So this is how I find out Bill Burr sucks? Damnit.

    Guess I'll have to cheer myself up by watching Michael Rapapport get nailed with a snow ball.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago

    Awful person condemns even worse person.

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  • [–] 10 points 13 hours ago

    It is possible to endorse Bill Burr's good quotes without endorsing him as a person. Sometimes it's actually the strategic thing to do since Bill Burr is a well-established icon

    Same way I might cite Bernie Sanders if my goal is to highlight the Gaza genocide to someone more likely to listen to a democratic politician than a radical leftist like me

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    Fuck you blood money Bill.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    I don’t know who this is. Bill Burr according to the comments. I still don’t know who he is.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    A red headed comedian fuck that pretends to speak truth to power while also taking money from Saudi Arabia and he also hates women.

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