Those kinds of events are why the progressives have been gaining so much steam

Support progressives, not centrist democrats

Watching these reruns while the ecological clock runs out is a bit worse than annoying.

I think they actually can't implement medicare for all, because healthcare in the US is so far gone that M4A would undermine the entire system.

How long now have people been told it's impossible? How much the relief when profit-seeking is removed from the equation? How many people will then wonder what other lies they've taken for granted?

This fucking purity testing, we went from some of the evilest fucking jackals tearing the nation apart starting illegal wars for profit that crashed the global economy and people are like "wHaT aBoUT ObaMaS dRoNes?!"

You do understand that wars with a 5 trillion dollar budget aren't just ended because you say so as a president? Obama's line was to divest from those wars while minimizing US casualties, which was a massive point of contention back then, too many fucking US soldiers died and Obama opted for drones over having servicemen killed on the ground.

Nobody wanted those fucking wars except Bush and cronies. Sometimes there isn't a perfect solution when you get the handover, you got to do damage control and at that time drones were the lesser of the evils.

"Obama's drones" is just "Hillary's emails" in disguise.

He was actually the best american president maybe of all time, top five for sure. That says more about american presidents than about Obama

Same here. Everyone acted like Obama was so great just because he wasn't Bush.

Yes, you can withdraw from an occupation of another country at any time. Nobody is forcing you to be there. It just might liss of the people making the money for you to leave. But hey, it's only brown kids dying, am I right!? Who cares about that.

You're right - Obama had no choice but to drone strike Pakistanis based on if they sit down or stand up when they pee. Makes total sense, peace prize earned, fist bump that great guy.

Ann Archy

Not very.

I hate this single one criticism against Obama that the right always pushes, because he did what best he could being handed a complete clusterfuck of a geopolitical situation.

Apologize for their capitulation to the military industrial complex more. It was a situation the US created and which Obama extended. Needlessly. Did they 8 additional years they extended the war help Iraq or hurt Iraq? Did it help Afghanistan or hurt Afghanistan. Did it help the US or hurt the US?

This is baby brain level liberalism. You should change your handle.

I spent a decade as a campaign staffer for progressive Dem candidates. I know whereof I speak when I say that's all a waste of time if your phone calls, door knocks, and organizing are running through the Democratic Party, because the people who control the levers of power inside the party will never allow anyone to the left of Kissinger to touch them. They've created all the rules to guarantee no body can stop them or take away their ability to gatekeep.all the meaningful power in the party.

But don't take my word for it, take your own advice, bust your ass for progressive campaigns and see how far it gets you. Once you see it for yourself, you'll basically be me.

Pretending that DSA Blue is in any way meaningfully different than Third Way Blue is an exercise in idealism and a refusal to learn anything at all from history. Your Fell For It Again Award will be along in 6-12 months when the fig leaf falls off and the naked neoliberalism is back on display.

There is at best 10 anti Israel democrats politicians

Is it false though?

They have power over government shutdown on Dec 11th deadline. Very critical to (both) party direction even if they don't have all of the votes to fix america over next month.

I wish Iran sanctions get lifted and peaceful attitude towards Iran. I literally am more dedicated to this than anyone in US congress.

In terms of what issue to threaten government shutdown over prior to new congress and soon enough that is practical, full sanctions relief with no negotiated gain, do not make the list.

Achieving a US popular and politically realist outcome FORCED on Trump ASAP (Dec 11th) can get Republican politicians to accept:

1. Cutting short a losing war is better than losing for 2 more years.
2. Oil price relief good for all Americans.
3. Dysfunctional white house access and domination of Israel first views corrupted decision/strategy for war.
4. Harming Iranians does not prosper Americans. Only dark evil Israel supremacist fucks, to the last American, thirsts for this.

This is a long debate for establishment to work through, but to get to a budget that removes sanctions enforcement, and a budget is the only tool with any influence over WH, is going outside of the above winning 4 pressure points.

Blaming Israel for the war and defeat is something JD Vance and Don Jr. are open to. Letting GOP take this view alone so as not to insult Trump too much is good politics and good for Americans. But a radical liberation shift.

Trump does not represent me.

What country are you from?