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[–] 36 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Man. Any one else here old enough to remember when Democrats were handed their anti-war mandate in 2008, and then Obama went on to get the high score in US led wedding drone strikes?

Anyways. If Democrats do nothing with the mandates they are given, voters inevitably gravitate towards whomever will promise them change, because ultimately, thats what voters have been asking for 30 years.

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  • [–] 16 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

    Member when the Snowden leaks happened and Obama/Dems worked hand in hand with R's to continue the implementation of turnkey totalitarianism?

    Member when we argued that they were building the machinery necessary to easily commit genocide and enslave everyone in a panopticon police state FOR FASCISM; that the very existence of this machinery itself was fundamentally authoritarian and anti-democratic... and the shitlib majority believed the government could never turn against the people; that entertaining this threat was an insane conspiracy theory?

    This extreme level of gross negligence, criminal incompetence, and overall systemic failure — unilaterally across all of western "democracy" — is an indicator that we do not live in democracies, but in dictatorships of capital; that classical liberalism itself is failing humanity and the planet; incompatible with democracy, sustainability, and the long term survival of the species.

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  • [–] 8 points 12 hours ago

    That's what a lot of these copiod posters tend to forget, or simply weren't alive for. It's great the dems are using populist messaging again, but we've been here before. In fact we've been here so often it's kinda annoying.

    But hey, here's either another example of the dems acting as no more than a ratchet, or, maybe, improbably, they'll do the right thing and start enacting the overwhelmingly popular bipartisan policies like isolationist defensive military strategy, local manufacturing and labor incentives, and medicare for all.

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  • [–] 11 points 13 hours ago

    Here's how you get stuff done with a Democratic majority in Congress and Trump as president. Draft a bill to shut down ICE operations, enact Medicare for All, etc.. and name it the Trump is the Greatest President Ever bill.

    Add in a Triumphal Arch and maybe even authorization to convert Stone Mountain into a bust of Trump. Hell I'd trade a stupid arch for MFA.

    The mental anguish it would cause Trump to even contemplate vetoing a bill named Trump is the Great President Ever bill would be too much for him to bear.

    It's worth trying.

    As far as the Iran war is concerned, draft a bill that stops the war, pays reparations and begins a normalization process and call it the Trump won the Iran war bill, or something like that.

    He's so demented and diminished now that, this could actually work.

    The "Trump Brilliantly Fixes the SCOTUS" bill, expanding the court, should be the last one in December 2028. Just in time for the new Democrat president to nominate justices.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 14 hours ago

    Dems gonna take 100% full advantage of this opportunity. \s

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  • [–] 5 points 14 hours ago (11 children)

    And the Democrats will once again ignore any mandate from voters that conflicts with the orders they get from their donors.

    There's a warehouse full of shiny new Fell For It Again awards waiting to be handed out to all the optimistic ShitLibs who saw the returns Tuesday night and are already checked out and back at brunch.

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  • [–] 10 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

    Pessimism of the mind. Optimism of the spirit. You are correct that there are a lot of ways things can go wrong, but that just means we need to put in the work to overcome those obstacles. Put that pessimism to work by using it to predict and surmout roadblocks. If you feel phone calls arent enough, go door knock. If you feels door knocking isn't enough, start organizing. If you feel organizing isn't enough, run for office. Get more and more involved in politics until you understand in your soul that a better future is possible, if only we all work together to make it happen.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 hours ago (2 children)

    I spent a decade as a campaign staffer for progressive Dem candidates. I know whereof I speak when I say that's all a waste of time if your phone calls, door knocks, and organizing are running through the Democratic Party, because the people who control the levers of power inside the party will never allow anyone to the left of Kissinger to touch them. They've created all the rules to guarantee no body can stop them or take away their ability to gatekeep.all the meaningful power in the party.

    But don't take my word for it, take your own advice, bust your ass for progressive campaigns and see how far it gets you. Once you see it for yourself, you'll basically be me.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Thank you for the work you've done so far. The work you did may not have had a noticable effect while you were more active, but that work you put in helped get us in a more progressive space today.

    Centrist Dems are losing a lot of power and hopefully the party continues moving in a more progressive direction. The people I talk to who would not consider themselves radically progressive are expressing some very progressive ideas, like getting rid of Chuck Schumer or expanding the Senate/Supreme Court. These are ideas that a decade ago would be considered fringe and radical, but are now considered popular and average for the Dem voter base.

    I am going to continue being politically active and, not to be too confrontational, I hope that in a decade, I do not end up as pessimistic and sapped of hope as you are currently.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago

    that work you put in helped get us in a more progressive space today.

    But it didn't, because we haven't. All that's happened is the same old party machine has revamped its branding a bit. Half that crop of DSA freshmen are Third Way plants or other dissembling opportunists using the current zeitgeist to further their careers, and the other half will never be allowed to be anything but the bait that keeps dragging left-leaning Liberals back to the center right party.

    I hope that in a decade, I do not end up as pessimistic and sapped of hope as you are currently.

    As long as you never look under the hood of the party to see how its power structures work and never question any party narratives about why policy keeps moving right no matter how much the voters want it to move left, then you probably won't. But you'll also never see the world you think you're voting for.

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  • [–] 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (6 children)

    You're being a bitter crumudgen because there are now more Democrats that fought and won against AIPAC money and big money politics with good policy platforms. They ran on a platform of Medicare for all, ending wars, and more progressive policies. We need to see how it shakes out, and calling them ShitLibs is just naked cynicism. When it inevitably comes down to corporate Democrats blocking these efforts, you can go ahead and call them out, but the only way forward is to primary them with better people. Pretending like the new batch is the old batch is disingenuous.

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  • [–] -1 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

    There is at best 10 anti Israel democrats politicians

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  • [–] 1 point 13 hours ago* (3 children)

    You're being obtuse then because there's already been a house and senate votes with over 100 Democrats that voted no to Israeli money. Here are 40 Democrat senators that voted to stop the money faucet: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1192/vote_119_2_00080.htm. So literally take your cynicism and disappear until you can converse like an adult.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    If you know you are going to lose the vote, you are free to vote anyway it looks good to your constituents without ever really tipping your hand to who is actually pulling your strings.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 minutes ago*

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Do you explain everything in your life that way? Some things are just exactly as they seem, and there doesn't need to be some PR conspiracy. Hopefully we find out what they really think when we have the votes; no excuses.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 hours ago

    Pretending that DSA Blue is in any way meaningfully different than Third Way Blue is an exercise in idealism and a refusal to learn anything at all from history. Your Fell For It Again Award will be along in 6-12 months when the fig leaf falls off and the naked neoliberalism is back on display.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago
    [–] -1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

    There is a major budget/shutdown deadline on Dec 11th. Dems must press huge, but ending sanctions on Iran is too far. Allowing these to be used in peaceful negotiations. Instead ending funding for blockade and bases in the region must be a big ask. US establishment/WH want a budget to replensish everything they lost and continue future warmongering power. Letting the region organize itself, and offer carrots for influence, is a path to reducing US budget explosion, avoiding US and world collapse, and bring down fuel prices. There is no logic to continuing or amplifying the war. US can't afford to.

    Congress needs to ask for a lot, and WH has a better chance of negotiating with this congress than the next one.

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