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[–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)
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    Putting contracted words in the wrong places. Like ending a sentence with "you're".

    Using "less" instead of "fewer".

    Not getting spellings 100% accurate all the time.

    Using the wrong version of 'your' or 'their'.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Putting question marks or exclamation points after "quotation marks"! I've never understood the point of putting the punctuation inside the quotation unless it's part of the quotation itself.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    This is how you're supposed to do it in Dutch.

    The teacher said "silence!".

    Vs

    The teacher said "silence"!

    Mean something completely different. Although a few large literature publishers do punctuation before bracket because of translation ease, and novels almost never contain partial quotes anyway AND they include the optional comma at all times, which causes

    "Silence!," said the teacher.

    Shudder

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    End a sentence with a preposition if you want to. And start one with a conjunction.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I really like to write 'gonna.'

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Ending a sentence with a preposition has been standard in English for longer than the language has existed, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Nothing about which to be ashamed. 🤓

    There's a funny bit in "the last man on earth" where Kristen Schaal's character always corrects people when they end their sentences with a preposition. It shows how much more ridiculous her correction sounds.

    ... Not a great show, but that bit was pretty funny.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The right to gleefully split infinitives.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    To anyone who has a problem with singular they:

    Roses are red, violets aren't blue
    Singular they is older than singular you

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago*

    I think outside of highly formalized writing (usually found exclusively in academia) grammar only matters to the extent that it doesn't interfere with the voice of the author.

    It matters because it makes things easier to read. A wall of text with no punctuation or capitalization is difficult to parse, both for the reader and for the writer if they need to go back and make changes.

    On the other hand, punctuation can be used incorrectly to convey things that might be part of how the author speaks. Examples being: using ellipsis to indicate trailing off at the end of a sentence, perhaps because you're still trying to find words to finish the thought, or using parentheses to indicate a slight tangent or clarifying statement, or failing to use a period at the end of a text message to indicate a softer tone and an openness to a response.

    Capitalization and misspellings can be used similarly. Such as intentionally misspelling a word to indicate that it should be pronounced differently than usual, or capitalizing all or part of a word to add emphasis.

    TLDR: Proper grammar matters for clearly conveying information, but intentionally breaking grammatical rules is a good way to add your voice, personality, and tone into your writing. And that is more important than being technically correct.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I feel like a lot of the grammar sticklers out there only speak one language, and their lack of sympathy towards people speaking English as a second or third language is low.

    If you can convey your point– good enough for me!

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I don't know if shouldn't've is grammatically correct but I hear it a lot so it seems like fair play. Same for other contractions that I never see in text, possibly because they're wrong. Because've. He'd've.

    Also like I'ma which can't possibly be ok, but "I am going to" is for suckers.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Would've: fine. Would have: fine. Would of: me go mental! Why do people do this?! Argh!

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    [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I'm really fond of using "I'mma" and "gonna".

    I obviously wouldn't use these words in a professional document, but everywhere else I'mma use "gonna" and "I'mma" whenever I feel like it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Conversational/informal English, there are no rules and anything goes, speak/type however the fuck ya want. if you wouldn't wear a tuxedo to the gas station you don't need 100% proper punctuation and sentence structure for internet shitposting

    written formal English, yeah I personally will judge you if you use the wrong "there/their/they're," but maybe future generations will collectively decide on one universal spelling cuz it's just fuckin easier, and that's fine! languages evolve no matter how much grumpy old women like me enjoy bitching/memeing about it lol

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    "And" isn't necessary when listing.

    Example: "cats, dogs and mice"

    Vs "cats, dogs, mice"

    Haven't heard an argument beyond "it's just convention" and I'm lazy enough to not bother with three letters and one syllable.

    I think it also can be a little clearer in some situations where the word "and" is included in the list.

    Example: "I like jazz, rock and roll and classical"

    Vs: "I like jazz, rock and roll, classical"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    For your example, to make the list clearer in writing I would usually do one of the two.

    I like Jazz, Rock and Roll, and Classical.

    Or

    I like Jazz, Rock & Roll and Classical.

    (Or the other way around if a list item includes "and" specifically)

    I often write in a way that flows better when talking, so I usually try to find ways like the above to make that kind of flow look more understandable in writing too. I don't think your and-less version flows well, in my way of speaking at least. But I also wouldn't tell you to stop doing that, because I can understand it, and that matters most in reality.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    To me, it sounds like an incomplete list. With the 'and X', I know that X is the last thing in that set. I guess that only really matters in cases where you want to absolutely show that a set only contains certain members.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    An “and” before the last item tells you it’s an inclusive list. An “or” before the last item tells you it’s a pick one. A “nor” tells you it wasn’t any of those. It’s word to wait to the last item to know what the list was, but English is a screwed up language.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A slight tangent into spelling, but I think "milktoast" is perfectly evocative of the idea the user is trying to get across.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I don’t care if people say “chomping at the bit”, because it basically means the same thing as “champing at the bit”, and nobody uses the word champing anymore anyway.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I used to get yelled at mid-sentence by a parent for incorrect grammar, and used to do the same to others as a result. I've mostly recovered. I still find imprecision irksome but, if everyone understands, I don't think it's a big deal.

    I still think certain formal situations warrant proper grammar and spelling (from native speakers at least), such as a CV for a professional job.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)
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    Irregardless, for all intensive purposes your point is mute.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It is perfectly cromulent to use "less" in place of "fewer".

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I like to put apostrophes where they do'nt belong.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    i like to omit them when i shouldnt

    (i use gesture typing and used to be so aggressively into coming off as too cool to punctuate that i would manually remove apostrophes. i have since ceased because i actually don't care anymore and this is probably a metaphor about being a poser. I've learned NOTHING)

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    If I am clearly referring to myself (as in a text), I shouldn't have to inlude myself in the sentence. Ex: "just grabbing food" vs "I'm just grabbing food".

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    A lot of languages are pro-drop and do this when the context is clear (and sometimes when it isn't). I remember learning Japanese and people saying "we would never do that in English!". My counterexample was always that, if someone came to my house and asked where the beer is, I'd say "fridge." because that's all the information the hearer needs.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And we can drop "the" sometimes, "close gate".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    In Spanish, the conjugation of the verb lets you drop the subject, which is eloquent.

    “¿Qué haces?”

    “Estoy llegando llevando comida.”

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Have to / need to - At some point in my 20s it was pointed out to me that "need to" is the correct phrase and that "have to" isn't correct. But actually "have to" is used in both English and Spanish "tengo que" which is "have to" or technically "have that". Grammatically, if "have" is a state of being then "have to" is like a state of being with a direction or target implied.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    While I might use them interchangeably, as a non-native I would think "need to" is supposed to mean that the situation came out of necessity, such as feeling the need to pee or resorting to selling your car because of an empty wallet, while "have to" is more like the result of some rules or discipline, such as showing up to work in time - but I understand that the line between the two can be rather blurry.

    As for my thing: there are a few shortened words in my language (similarly to the English "hubby", "preggo", etc.) that got shortened according to pronunciation, and not the original (longer) word, having a different spelling at the start (as if "circle" got shortened to "circ", but spelled as "cirk"). It feels like a kid came up with the spelling, and now it's the official form. It's bugging my inner spelling nazi every time I see it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Relatedly, it really bugs me out when I'm watching English-language media from outside North America and someone says "what are we meant to do" in a situation where I would say "what are we supposed to do". Like, a lot. Best I can figure, it implies to me a sort of outside intention driving one's actions, as opposed to the mere regard implied by "supposed", and my anti-authoritarian ass rankles at that.

    Anyone else have feelings about this one?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Wow. Do you know the feeling when someone brings your attention to something that you had been ignoring pretty much all your life, and from that point it drives you mad every single time? Yeah, you have just done that with the meant to/supposed to thing. You're SO totally right! Aaaand you cursed me.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Using "they" as singular. Also, referring to animals besides humans as "he," "she," or "they" instead of "it."

    I usually am a grammar nazi, but these are things I do very intentionally.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    someone corrected me on spelling "at least" "atleast"
    like... alright? (wink wink nudge nudge)

    anyways I was in a bad mood and wrote a passive aggressive message I ended up not sending

    Words condense over time, it's not a crime to not type a space.

    do you say "goodbye" or "God be with ye"? what about "gossip" or "farewell"?

    What about a purpose misspelling being turned to one of the most common words in conversation? "all correct" -> "oll korect" -> "ok"

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    who/whom.

    Maybe it's because that English is not my first language but I always find it confusing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    If you can replace the word with “he”, you always use who. If you can replace the word with “him”, you can use whom if you want to.

    Whom did you lead into battle?

    I led him into battle.

    Who ate all the cake?

    He ate all the cake.

    The key takeaway is you can always use who and it will be correct, because who is both a subject and an object. So, if you don’t want to bother with the rule, just stick to who and you can’t go wrong.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    if you are familiar with object vs subject in grammar you already know the rule, who is used when it's the subject, whom when the object:

    Who is that?

    That's who ate my ice cream.

    Whom did you give ice cream to?

    The ice cream went to the one whom I saw first.

    This rule is the same as knowing when to use she or he vs when to use her or him, it's no different.

    However, most people don't use whom correctly and it can just be avoided entirely, most people will just use who as the object anyway and it will sound more natural to them:

    Who did you give ice cream to?

    The ice cream went to the one who I saw first.

    Using whom in these cases can make you sound formal or fancy, and draws attention.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There's a pretty trivial rule for getting this right. Phrase your sentence using who/whom as a question. Respond with he/him. If your response contains a "he", your initial statement should be "who"; if it contains a "him" then you're looking at a "whom" use.

    • ex: "To who/whom should the gold be given?" -> "To him" -> "whom"
    • ex: "Who/whom wants the gold?" -> "He wants the gold" -> "who"
    • ex: "Who/whom did you see at the party?" -> "I saw him" -> "whom"
    • ex: "The man who/whom called earlier is here" -> "Who/whom called?" -> "he called" -> "who"
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    I’m fine with “free reign” and “beckon call” because the meaning is retained and language evolves.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nobody actually knows how to use "it begs the question" anyway. Even the ones who think they do.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even if someone says "irregardless" or "I could care less", I don't say anything because I still understand what they mean.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I work in a job with contractual language and care deeply about the placement of every comma in that context.

    Outside that in everyday life, I don't care about any grammer rule so long as I can understand the writer's intent.

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