No one in the world who would do any of those things has ever worried that he was being creepy in a non-sexual situation. Meanwhile the whole point of the worry that you're being creepy in a non-sexual situation is that stuff you would comfortably say to another man might sound weird to a woman.
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I wouldn't do any of those things to Dave, but is it really a test if I also just don't do them ever?
In fact I don't even consider these things "creepy" - they're all WAAAY beyond creepy.
The examples they used are sooo bad. Anyone who says those things know what they're doing. Those aren't the people who unknowingly do things deemed creepy.
That said, I can't really think of a good example. Leaving flowers for Dave? Staring at Dave? Trying to convince Dave to go on Friday night even after he said no?
I had a married man get creepy on me at work. Was saying wierd stuff. He was new and asked my age. At the time, I was saying "23 haha jk I'm 29". He said he thought it was cute when girls were embarrassed abt thier age (gross), and was saying wierd shit like this to me often. I kept asking him to stop.
The last straw was when one morning, I was over helping the guys on the next line over to me. (in further recollection, Im pretty certain I was over there just to avoid him anyway). I had left my coffee on my line's desk. This temp worker only there two weeks (and everyone hated him cuz on top of tjis he was a lazy worker), he walks my coffee over to me, "I thought you might want your coffee". I flipped on him for touching my drink, and said, loudly, "what the fuck dude? Would you bring Mat's coffee over to him? I left it on MY desk, What is wrong with you I told you to leave me alone!?"
He was walked out 40 mins later and fired.
This post reminded me of this example that happened to me some 8 years ago.
To note, I worked with all dudes. In my department, I was the only lady machine operator, and we had one lady engineer on the five man team for our department. No one, ever made me uncomfortable til this dude showed up.
THAT'S an awesome example of creepiness. Stuff you can see the aggressor capable of spinning to be harmless. "I just brought her her coffee!" while unaware that everyone sees right through it
yeah, I agreed with you that the examples in the post werent very realistic (at least in my expierence), and its usually more mundane and covert. Though, this fella wasnt very good at being so covert.
He definitely thought he was being fun and charming. Weren't you aware he's god's gift to women??
I cant tell you how much worse it was he was married. It almost felt like he was insulting my intelligence by thinking Id entertain such a thing from him. Offended I was
On the other hand I'd totally complement the fabulous blouse that Dave is wearing.
I think that's supposed to be the point?
I know it's supposed to be, but it's too over the top to make that point. Like trying to teach good manners by using armed robbery and arson as examples of bad manners.
I mean, they are all so obviously creepy. I would rather see this post re-done with the subtle ways a person can be a creep; it would be more educational for whoever the audience was supposed to be.
These are all cartoonishly creepy and really, you rarely encounter them in the wild, if ever.
If Dave and I were friends, it would be utterly disrespectful to not do this to Dave.
I mean, the dude just got his bald patch sprayed, came in with all the confidence, who the faq do I think I am to not acknowledge his high!!!
The thing is, it's not being creepy that I'm worried about. I know I'm not being creepy. I care about making people uncomfortable and I don't need to be creepy to make women uncomfortable. I'm a 6ft dude built like a shit brick house who also has acquired a bad habit of walking silently due to years of working nightshift and having roommates. There is no way for me to be anywhere in the vacinity of an otherwise lone woman without her likely being uncomfortable regardless of what I'm doing. I don't like feeling like I'm making someone uncomfortable so I tend to just avoid being around or interacting with women. Not sure what else I can do about it.
If we’re talking the ‘walking down the street at night and you see a woman’ scenario, making noise and keeping a respectful distance helps. Develop a whistling habit, have some jangly keys out, whatever. This especially helps if you’re behind us.
Beyond that, it really depends on the situation, but as long as you don’t leer or loom that’s a good start.
I’m a bit in this corner.
One time walking home, a street’s light was out. I only realized what happened after it did: A woman had been walking in front of me, and happened to glance back to see the silhouette of a 6-foot man right behind her, fully shadowed. I didn’t even realize she was there because I was thinking over games to play when I got home.
She freaked out, rushing forward to get away. I mumbled an apology that could’ve easily sounded like a stalker’s, and waited a moment to give distance. But also like, it was cold and I wanted to get home.
I don’t blame that woman for that - it IS a scenario she’d have to be careful about. But it also sucks.
It's not really a feeling of uncomfortable, we just might be weary. And if you don't make any abrupt movements or get too close, we walk away thinking you were probably an ok dude. I don't know if that helps?
Fwiw getting old is a solution. I have a lot fewer women getting nervous about my existence, now that I’m clearly old and fat. Now I can walk on the same sidewalk and even in the same direction without scaring them
Who is that guy with dave
I mean, I know this isn't the point, but I would say all those things to Dave. I'm not even into dudes, but they deserve to be flirted with too. As a straight man, I flirt more aggressively with other straight men than with women.
I get your point, but I've checked. Definitely not into dudes, just very secure in my sexuality and very into flirting.
People have covered the hypothetical Dave well enough, I'm more concerned about the freaky hat-washing author here. Real Americans wear their hats until they are lost or destroyed in industrial accidents, and the only patriotic way to acquire a replacement is free with the purchase of tools or equipment. Mine says "Yamaha" and came with an outboard motor in 1999, waterproofing it with locally sourced skull oil was the work of years
I found my Husqvarna hat under a tractor in a shop I started working in, got like 15 years out of it, washed it once and broke the peak, godsdammit.
What's this about washing hats?
I think this post completely mosunderstands that people who are overtly creepy like this are completely aware of it and do it on purpose.
This would be more impactful if it were less creepy. No one does any of those things accidentally.
Do people regularly wash their baseball caps?
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For real #2 though.
Dave is out there babysitting and spraying in his bald spot feeling confident. I am happy for him, invested even. What else does he get up to? :D
Dangerous game, these would all be hilarious to do to Dave and I'm 1000x more likely to than a woman, he'll probably get a good laugh out of it and we'll carry on, especially in the ones above where Dave and I could plausibly be friends.
But also I would then never get closer than drinking buddies with anyone, because I'm not going to ask Dave out even if he's giving me signals, never going to fall in love with Dave, yadda yadda. At some point it becomes necessary to express romantic interest in people even if I wouldn't express romantic interest in Dave because I don't like him like that.
#1 and #2 definitely. #5 obviously not. I’d stroke his arm and call him hotstuff.
Absolutely 100% would do #1
I am a onion ring slut and want in on the action
I’d invite Dave up if his ball cap matched the same team I root for. Drinking alone can be boring
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