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[–] 66 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Cool, maybe it'll encourage them to use search engines other than Google.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    If they’re reliant on Google’s other services, that could prove problematic to switch.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Tons and tons of school systems have converted to Chromebook laptops because they were easy to lock down+administer and very very cheap in bulk. Theyre basically going to hold school districts hardware hostage.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    Don't be evil.

    Sigh. Good times 😔

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  • [–] -4 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    It's more enshittification of their product than being evil. They're just saying that AI is so heavily integrated into their search engine that they can't decouple the two, so schools who don't want their students to have access to AI tools can't use their search without exposing students.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago

    As a SaaS vendor, I guarantee Google knows how to use feature flags and conditionals to limit access to certain code paths. I know they do, because I also work for a SaaS vendor, and ex-Google employees are the ones who taught us how to do it. There is also no possible way it is as intertwined in the code as they are implying it is. It is awfully convenient for them to claim that, but it's nonsense. The stated goal of preventing students from accessing AI results is quite simple, from client side technical analysis alone I can tell, at least in most ways, how literally tacked on it is. While it wouldn't be an ideal solution, I can personally literally block it with a CSS rule. So could the schools, technically, and it would more or less achieve their goal. But most importantly, so could Google. The fact that they won't tells you everything you need to know about the honesty of their position.

    Stop believing and repeating what they're claiming, you're giving near-trillion-dollar companies the benefit of the doubt but they've done nothing to earn that benefit. They're corporate liars, they're deliberately destroying the world and smashing holes in our civilization like a bull in a china shop, and we keep dancing around like we are afraid of being unfair to them, even while they are in the act of being unfair to us and literally standing in front of us telling us something we can see with our own eyes is not true. Just because they have lots and lots of money and lots and lots of platforms to make sure we have no choice but to know all the things they are saying, doesn't mean the things they are saying are at all trustworthy. We need to get over this habitual deference and stop giving equal weighting (or any weight at all) to corporate lies from untrustworthy sources.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 days ago

    Isn't that a win-win??

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago

    Hoping to see Google fall from grace one day. They are ruining their business model to compete with dedicated LLM companies. Google has such bad LLM at this point and are shoving into everything to compete. Also I hope they get split up and regulated for being a monopoly one day.

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    I got overly excited for a moment. :D

    Google will turn off

    Then I read the rest of the message. :(

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    SearXNG works better than Google ever has, and it allows you to remain private af if self hosted.

    Who needs google?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 days ago (5 children)

    Um what? Self-hosting search that actually covers the internet requires way more resources than people are likely to have. There are things you can self-host, but global internet search is not one of them.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Kinda, SearXNG uses google/bing/ddg/etc to do the actual search

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago

    Yes, and it removes the AI, ads, and sponsored results,; then it uses its own algorithm to order the results more relevantly than google/bing/ddh/etc

    You can also choose from which of those search engines (there’s like over 100) it includes results

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    As I understand it, SearXNG is a decentralized and anonymized peer-to-peer network of search-engine scrapers. So you're not self-hosting the search engines, you're self-hosting a node in the network that scrapes real search engines. It's basically search-piracy, except I don't think they've managed or bothered to make it illegal yet, so, enjoy it as long as we can.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    It doesn't take many resources at all actually. I run it on an old quadcore i5 with like 8gb of RAM lol.

    Regardless, its still way better than google even if you use a public instance, the benefit of the private instance is just that it obfuscates your queries from 3rd parties.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Awesome. Why are schools using google again?

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    Stupid schools being stupid. Still don't know why they would knowingly do that.

    But still, I thought that any school would have been saying Google search sucks by now. Because it does.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    Googles search engine has blowed for 2 years now.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Google executives said that for districts that choose to allow A.I., there will be two options for search inside school-issued accounts, beginning in early 2027. One option will be search with A.I. overviews and A.I. chats turned on, similar to the current consumer experience. The other will be search using Guided Learning, the student version of Google’s Gemini chatbot.

    If it is linked to "school-issued accounts", can't you just search without being logged in to google?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago

    Can you even use a Chromebook without an account? That's the problem here most schools are locked in with Google. The schools are using Chromebooks, Google classroom, and use Google's built in integration to lock down Google search results all while blocking other search engines.

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  • Those are both such undeniably terrible options. Either way it's teaching students to offload onto AI immediately.

    There are no words for how insidious this is. They're trying to ruin the minds of an entire generation. Not just knowingly, but forcefully.

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    Our school is just letting kids use AI with no guardrail for anything.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago

    Degoogled a lot. Much happier. Sun still rises, I'm good.

    Just my tiny contribution

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  • [–] -1 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    So, yeah, this is a bullshit move by Google. But the article was just hyperbole; if a school doesn't ban AI that does not mean they're forced to use it. Journalism is a lost art.

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  • What do you mean by "if a school doesn't ban AI that does not mean they're forced to use it"? That's not an argument anyone is making. People are saying the turning off search capabilities just because the school opted out of AI is petty. That's exactly what they're doing and here's a quote from the article saying that:

    “Search and A.I. are deeply integrated,” said Chris Phillips, vice president for education at Google. If a school has banned A.I., he added, students “will not have access to search, and they’ll see a message from their school that indicates it’s not available.”

    I hope schools keep the AI off and switch to a different search engine.

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