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[–] 59 points 4 days ago (13 children)

I mean technically attacking people's food supplies is super fucked. But doing it by fucking with internet connected refrigerators has got to be a massive blaring alarm that we are no longer fit for survival.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    When I was a kid I saw a batman movie where the joker was in some high-tech, high security prison, and all it took was a simple hacker to unlock his cell and let him out.

    Even then I knew, one manual deadbolt is all it would have taken to prevent this...

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  • [–] 16 points 4 days ago (10 children)

    These corporations that produce this technotrash are the ones not fit for survival. A fridge doesn't fucking need a computer it in at all, let alone one connected to the internet.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 days ago* (7 children)

    I get the sentiment and the insecure connectivity is pure incompetence, but commercial refrigeration is not the same as consumer refrigeration, with much more complex controls required to deal with managing large energy consumption, irregular and frequent access, variable amount of goods being held, and usually mandatory persisted logging and automatic alarms, sometimes being sent centrally and 24 hourly to meet strict food regulations.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 days ago* (6 children)

    Nowhere do fridges need to send off data to meet any regulation.

    Nowhere do they need to be remotely controlled. Period.

    This is not something that showed up in the 21st century. Grocery stores have been successfully refrigerating things since before personal computers even existed.

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  • [–] 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

    I am sorry but no. I spent nearly 20 years working in the control industry and specifically for a global company that provided some of these control and monitoring systems. Tracing food from production through to end consumers has strict industry standards that need to be met in most developed countries. For example FDA CFR 21 in the US and the EC regulations in the EU which all have track and trace requirements. This is key if there are any issues at any point of the supply chain so that the appropriate entities can respond in the interest of ensuring the health safety of the public.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    You are probably right on this regard, sometimes some regulations can have a big impact on how things function. However, do we really need to have the thing itself exposed to the internet? Can we not have a better architecture to have the same thing, but safe? The technology is there, is just a matter of doing it right

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago

    The internet connection doesn't bother me a bit. The lack of Network 101 level security does. An easy fix, throw the fridges on a local VLAN, firewall that off from the internet except for communication to the monitoring endpoint's IP.

    Of course someone on lemmy today let me know that it's easy to hack a corporate firewall, so there's that expertise to consider. 🙄

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    When energy was cheap. Listen to the guy, he knows what he's talking about.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago

    When energy was cheap... You realize:

    1. Freezers and fridges need to stay cold around the clock. Right? You cannot turn them off sometimes unless you want things to spoil. So... you're not saving shit by making them "smart".

    2. The efficiency gains over the years from refrigeration systems have NOT come from making them "smart". It's from making the part that actually uses a ton of energy more efficient.

    3. Nowhere do any of those rules require remote administration of the fridges and freezers. Only getting data OUT of them. Securely getting read-only data out of systems has been a solved problem for decades.

    So again, connecting them to the internet in any way that allows administration is unnecessary. Completely. Utterly. Now, remember that "unnecessary" does not mean, "utterly useless in all ways". The point is that it does not justify the risks. The risks that are already showing you how stupid the idea is.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Looking at it coldly going by the selection pressure of the market, they almost certainly are more fit for survival than a company that isn't finding an excuse to spy on you (even more) and sell your data.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 days ago

    Is your refrigerator running?

    Actually yes, it's about halfway down the block screaming something about election interference.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Wake the fuck up, samurai. We've got a freezer to defrost.

    Also, isn't Bartmoss's corpse in a fridge?

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  • Yes. Despite being the guy who brought down the entire internet, the discovery of his body was a giant 'meh' for some fucking reason. I dunno... I mean if we discovered the actual identity of Jack the Ripper it would probably make more news than that.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago

    Some of you have never had to remember to log the fridge temps after dodging a thrown patient urinal. At my old hospital facilities maintenance used to call us and tell us to close the fridge sometimes. 😂 That said, it could absolutely regulate internally and just send off read-only logs periodically for FM to use in dispatching.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

    Anyway the conspiracy theory that Bush was responsible for 9/11 clearly doesn't hold water because look how clueless he is at the moment he's informed of the ✈️

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago (9 children)

    Nah he's just clueless all the time

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (6 children)

    And why would he need to be interrupted in the middle of a very important kindergarten reading session to be informed of something that he already knew about?

    Anyway I'm in the camp of believing that these were locally-planned controlled demolitions, to cover up trillion dollar losses in some financial blah blah, but I still think that particular man up there posing as president had no idea about any of it until it happened.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    At the very least, dozens of bomb techs spent months tearing into walls and planting explosives at night, then fixing it all up. And thousands of people working there didn't notice anything? And that only addresses on part of the thing. Thousands of people would have had to be in on a conspiracy and never in human history have thousands of people been able to keep their mouth shut.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    There were indeed witnesses of the work going on in the basement of the World trade center. And most industries operate through compartmentalization, in which the lowest-paid worker grunts actually doing the work have no idea exactly what they're installing. They're given just enough info & tools to get the job done. That's how secrets are kept. By one incredibly powerful guy at the top not telling anyone below him why they're performing a task.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (3 children)

    And why would he need to be interrupted in the middle of a very important kindergarten reading session to be informed of something that he already knew about?

    Why do family members call each other when they get home from travels? They know the plane is going to land safely at the airport.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (2 children)

    Maybe your family does that. Mine doesn't. Out of sight out of mind. I don't care if anybody lands in their airplane. 99.9999% likelihood that their airplane landed just fine & their lives continue with fewer unnecessary interruptions without calling everyone they know to inform them their friggin airplane landed.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    OK sure. How about receiving confirmation that the event that is about to shape the entire century has happened? I'm not asking about your family, I'm asking you to consider people's motivations of their actions based on more relatable situations.

    And why would he need to be interrupted in the middle of a very important kindergarten reading session to be informed of something that he already knew about?

    To know that nothing stopped the thing he thought was going to happen, from happening.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    Why did a secret service agent interrupt Bush's important kindergarten reading session to tell him that airplanes plowed into the World trade center WHEN BUSH SUPPOSEDLY ALREADY KNEW ABOUT IT. That's what we're talking about here. I'm saying Bush DIDN'T already know about it, that's why his secret service agent whispered the news in his ear, cuz it was kinda a big deal.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago

    Responsible in the same way TSA would be responsible for a hijacking today. They had enough information to be able to stop it, but failed to do so. Anything beyond that gives superhuman competence (which is what conspiracy theories want, a world where someone is in control, even if they're in control for evil)

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 child)

    Second attack? Out of the loop, is it still the current date as the password or..?

    EDIT: sounds like it, searched by post title "fridge" and sorted by new. Either that or it's the exact same ongoing "attack" being described.

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  • [+] 1 point 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago*

    Well, I already figured all of that. "find these devices on the web" is actually taking a piece of text on the login page and pasting it into a search engine. I was wondering if it's still the same "vulnerability" of the password being the current date because this was in news a month or so ago. I then edited my comment to say that I am under impression that it is, in fact, still the same thing.

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    [–] 1 point 4 days ago

    SAVE THE HOT POCKETS!!!

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