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Doom scrolling specifically calls for no scroll bar since it's infinite.

You open a new tab and search inside.
...
Inside you find 32 doomscrolls.

No problem!

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Awesome!

my pleasure

compounding the issue is that there's no guarantee that the miniature scroll bar on the right side is actually usable, it's often just a visual indicator. but it's so goddamn small that even if you try to use it you can't be sure that you're not just hitting the pixel next to it

you're not alone!

That sounds pretty dumb!

That depends on your gtk theme

don't think so. you can stylize them with gtk in .config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css

there's an about:config option to customise them. i think there are five built-in styles, plus native, you can set the width, and you can set them to always show.

:(

Because everything is being designed as a narrow webpage with infinite scroll served up by the algorithm. The bottom of the page no longer exists so there's no definable range for a scrollbar.

You already got a bunch of answers, but the real one is - because User Interfaces stopped being designed by programmers, and started being designed by art school graduates.

My guess is the mouse wheel made them less necessary to the point where form over function folks won out.

Though I do still see a scroll bars in Firefox and steam. Some auto hide when the mouse isn't hovering over the pane they scroll, but they are there. Similar on my windows work machine.

Might be more of a phone thing where accelerated swipe scrolling is a thing. And because they decided to get rid of the back button on the pixel, they made interactions with the side of the screen mean back, which would make interacting with scroll bars annoying (though I'd rather have a fucking back button and not have that annoying behaviour when I do a movement that looks like swiping from the edge, which happens a lot in chess whenever I want to move a piece on the edge of the board.

nooooooooo

@kakafarm @pmjv Scrollbars, toolbars, docks, app switchers, app launchers. Use the width.Unless there is a functional reason, make controls vertical. MS's 21st century design shows it's lost the plot.Example #1: the Office Ribbon is an example of a broken design, because it can't be moved to vertical. The old toolbars could. They didn't know how to use their own product's older versions.(LibreOffice's ribbon can be vertical. It works fine that way.)Example #2: Now, Win11's taskbar has been updated so it can be vertical again, showing the developers didn't know how to use the old tool. So the copy is a poor, half-broken one.Counter-example: I used GNUstep's NeXT-style vertical menu bars. They don't work very well IMHO.Acorn's RISC OS ones work superbly.NeXT borrowed the Dock idea from RISC OS, & did it better. But for menus, they did it worse, IMHO.

no problem!

Yes but also i have a tiny screen so i like to hide it sometimes

I don't know. I woke up, saw some random comment on mastodon about shitty scrollbars and drew this before I had my first coffee.

Probably talking about phone apps.

Its usually not a rule break when the creator themselves posts it lol.

Thank you!