Sigh. I don't know where to start or what do I need to ask here even at all.

So, I have joined a new workplace and I just don't know how to interact with people. Most of the time I don't feel the energy to interact. But being shutdown feels not very socially acceptable behavior nor I feel it would do any good to me.

First two weeks, I didn't talk with anyone at all. Only one or two interactions here and there that's about it. After I did manage to get into small group of employees who've joined recently and they allowed me to join their social circle.

At this point, I thought I was gonna be okay and will improve at socialising. But even after a month, I still feel this feeling of being subhuman level at socialising. I feel so different, I feel so not normal. I feel everyone are just better at socialising. They got this nailed down somewhere down their lives but somehow I just missed it.

I just don't know what to do. I don't have confidence in my voice either so most of the time I try to end conversations with few words. Idk anything really.

Edit: Wow, I didn't expect this much reception to this post especially since it was very messy how I explained my problem. But you guys surprised me, haha. Thank you all for your advice. I'm reading every one of your replies! I love this community.

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[–] 21 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Just listen and ask questions.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

    I do that if a person wants to have a conversation with me. But real problem comes when they don't initiate a conversation or when more people are involved.

    When more people get involved I just shutdown, I only listen and barely add anything to the conversation.

    When a person I know comes around me and doesn't initiate, I feel awkward I just don't say anything and ignore them which I feel is giving off a very rude image to them, but I can't help. "I'm not the extrovert between us why don't you initiate :(" is only thing I think of there.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I would recommend scheduling a one-on-one lunch together. At lunch, think of yourself as a news reporter who needs to find all about this person. Where are they from? What was their family like? Why do they work here? What are their hobbies? See if you can get them talking about something that they have a strong opinion about.

    See if you can do one of these every week.

    I also think you would highly benefit from Toastmasters.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Try to allow yourself to be genuinely curious about the other person, and to show them that, and ask questions about what you're curious about. Social interactions are about both the listener and the talker and if you can allow yourself to be vulnerable and share what you are actually feeling it really helps, but it also helps to be interested in them and what they are feeling and thinking. So trying to be curious is often a good go to.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    You gotta say hello to people, even if they don't say hello first

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Yeah I just say morning to everyone the first time I see them in the morning. That's it, then when I'm eating my lunch they'll sidle up and start talking and I'll let them mostly guide the conversation while we eat, maybe I'll even have something to add. Then when I'm some eating I have a natural out because I can just excuse myself to go back to working.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago

    You, and pretty much everyone else, are a poor judge of how people see yourself. Nine times out of ten, if you were to tell someone that you are socially awkward, their response would be, “what? No. In the the socially awkward one.”

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Something that I remember reading many years ago has stuck with me. In general, people like talking about themselves. Ask questions about what's going on in their lives. If they have pets ask about those. People love their pets. Ask about their family if they have one. The harder part may be that you need to show interest. If you want to connect to these people, try to get to know them to some degree. You don't have to know everything about them, but if some is married and has kids, get a pulse on the situation. If someone has a dog, try to remember that and ask about it. As a person with dogs, I could provide hours of stories and pictures.

    Don't be political or share strong opinions, at least until you know your audience. Find out what interests they have them ask questions about that stuff. I know something about everyone on my team that I can talk about. Maybe not tons, but enough to get a conversation started that I can pivot on. When you find common ground, share something about yourself related to that.

    I keep using dogs as an example, but half of my team has at least one dog. That's an easy ice breaker. From there you can pivot many directions.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Lol not me. I get super annoyed when someone asks personal questions.

    Who are you? Why does that matter? Why do you want to know so much about my personal life? Narc? Go away.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    play pretend.

    seriously. stop being you, be someone else. look at how other people interact and pretend to be like that.

    it works. most people aren't that sophisticated, they just want you to be mirror and approve of them, and they will like you if you do that. most social interaction is petty and shallow stuff, and you have to learn to embrace it if you want to be good at socializing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yeah this is for sure a good situation for "fake it till you make it."

    Just say hi to everyone when you see them. Once a day talk to a different person for awhile, you will find out who is more friendly. I'm not naturally social or outgoing and I'm at at ease with that, but people can interpret it as unfriendly, so I try to communicate the way each person likes, to some extent. It may not come naturally to you but YOU ARE NOT ALONE in that. We just learned by practicing.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Like anything else. Practice!

    All those people that are good at socializing have been doing it since they were curious little kids talking to anyone they met and saying silly things.

    Seek out low consequence interactions and practice with them. When a cashier is ringing you out, ask how their day is going. When you pass someone in public, try out the phrases that you'll say to co-workers as you pass each other at work.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    If you're in Australia, if someone comes around a simple, "Hey, how's it going?" Will do, social interaction done and dusted. Most of the time the reply will be, "Good yourself?" and you reply, "Yeah good thanks."

    If it doesn't go beyond that, it's a satisfactory social engagement completed. If it does, great, go with the flow.

    Over the years, I've learned the subtle art of not giving a fuck. If someone doesn't want to engage, all good.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago*

    Not giving a fuck is actually the key. It's harder for some people to get there but that's where you need to end up.

    For some, the idea "no one analyzes your behavior the way you do" helps. For others, it's "if they don't like the way you are you shouldn't care what they think". It's different for everybody but getting to the point where a bad social interaction isn't scary anymore is what you want.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    This is less advice for at work and more just life advice in general: dress better.

    I hate it because my go-to comfort clothing signals to people that I don't want to be interacted with. But if I dress up just a teeny tiny bit, even in a very casual, low-effort way, suddenly people smile at me, make jokes to me spontaneously, give me random compliments and have more patience with me when I'm talking.

    Clothes change the difficulty level of people/socialization. It makes sense but it's also so opposed to how I'm wired. I still struggle with it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    You have to take initiative sometimes. On Mondays ask someone how their weekend was and ask what they did. Towards the end of the week ask people what their weekend plans are. If your American it's Halloween time ask people about their favorite scary/haloween movies. Just ask people about themselves and ask follow up questions. Don't wait for people to ask you and don't go in expecting everyone to ask questions back. If your asking questions and follow up questions you don't have to worry about feeling normal or different because the focus isn't on you.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I kinda question the basic premise - whilst it's nice to have friends at work, it's better to build a social life outside of work. If you're not gelling with people socially at work, oh well, it's just work, it's what you do to pay the bills.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I have to disagree. Some of the greatest friendships out there were developed between coworkers. people have met their spouse at work. People became friends at work, then after hanging out for realized they should start their own company. They became quite successful because of it. Making friends at work I would say is actually kind of important. You spend a large chunk of your life around people that you work with. Might as well make friends.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    Being a bit shy makes things extra hard when it comes to fitting in and socializing. Keep swinging. Good luck and all the best.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    How was the old workplace?

    Maybe this one sucks.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    So. There are two issues here.

    One is finding topics to talk about. This is what small talk is for. "The weather" is a dumb topic, but it leads to all sorts of things. "Nice weather, did you do anything cool outside on the weekend?" "Bad weather, how did you cope?"

    Socializing is like throwing balls back and forth as a game. You try to do something with the "ball" they throw at you and throw a question or a comment or a little story back at them. But also, if you initiate and they don't want to play the socializing game (because they're tired or busy or something), that's it, no socializing.

    The voice and speaking thing is something else. Not sure how to advise on that. I don't understand having "no confidence in your voice". Do you mean you're too quiet? Sounds like more of a therapy thing. Maybe a choir or theater hobby group could help you? It's probably just practice, so you should seek a place where you get that practice and train your voice?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Just remember that most people just wanna be entertained and talk about themselves. Ask regular questions that you wish someone would ask you, and you solve both of the challenges.

    If you say or do something stupid, acknowledge it and move on with the rest of the day.

    Follow through. If you say you will check out a book /show/movie/ band…actually do it, and be honest about what you think, it will give you something to talk about.

    Try to have a question and a compliment on standby for everyone you see regularly. You might need to devote a few minutes to this daily but it’ll be worth it.

    Never expect anyone to do anything for you and you won’t resent them when the inevitably don’t do anything for you. The people that actually do things for you despite your lack of expectation, probably genuinely like you and want to be around you.

    Don’t apologize about everything you do but be sincere if you do apologize and then CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIOR.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    Just remember that most people just wanna be entertained and talk about themselves.

    I think this is a pretty negative perspective. Reframe it in your mind a little.

    People aren't looking for you to entertain them like a dancing monkey. We just enjoy new experiences, learning new things, and having novel interactions with others.

    Most people also generally don't want to just talk about themselves, but we do like when people have a genuine interest in us.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    If you work for a for-profit corporation, your peers are all probably feeling soul-crushed and the same as you.

    Things are better when you work somewhere that people love their jobs.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    I have a few questions. How old are you? Are you male or female? And exactly what do you do for work?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    This is vital context. Big difference between like working in a kitchen with a bunch of people and working a software remote job.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    How did OP get hired with such poor social skills?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    It happens! It can be really hard or sometimes they're able to mask for an interview or the interview is with someone who complements their awkwardness.

    Anyway, very often it's someone making the hiring decision is able to see past the awkwardness or even see it as an asset. Like I work in computing and whenever a neurotypical comes on our floor it's like they're the odd ones out and that's how the manager likes it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Find out what your coworker's nerdy interests are, then do some light research on it.

    Then the next time you see them, ask them a bunch of questions about the subject. Try to talk little. Just listen and ask more questions.

    People who are nerds about some topic love to talk about that subject. This is the easiest way to break the ice. Show them that you respect their knowledge on the subject, that you've learned a lot from them. Thank them. They'll respect you more too.

    After a few weeks of doing this with others, you'll have their respect and then you can begin to increase the amount that you talk.

    Examples: art, sports, cars, bicycles, motorcycles, movies, craft beer, wine, computers, astrology, astronomy, growing food, etc

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    coworker’s nerdy interests are, then do some light research

    Not saying this is bad advice, but it can feel disappointing and invalidating when they don't reciprocate. "Yeah that's cool I guess, anyways..." stings a bit when it's finally your turn to share.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago*

    Got some advice I feel really strongly about and I'd appreciate your ear. I feel deep down this will help you immeasurably.

    Grab a free copy of Andrew Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People". It is not about how to manipulate people, nor is it a bullshit step-by-step self improvement scheme. It's about how to get along with people and the benefits you'll see from doing so.

    Carnegie wanted a book how to get along with people using natural human nature. He wrote to universities all over the US and was told such a book didn't exist. So he decided to write one.

    There's no "Do these steps and become a social Tyrannosaur!" It's mostly just him telling stories of travelling the US, taking in other people's experiences and adding some of his own. The neat part, and he stresses this up front, is that you can pop the book open at any point and read a bit. There's no particular order to follow. (For this reason I'd find a hard copy better than digital. You do you.)

    You'll find some bits where you think, "That's been working for me and I didn't even know I was doing that!" Other parts will leave you thinking, "No wonder I always fail at that sort of thing." It's pretty much all short stories you can distill lessons from, not a bunch of preachy crap.

    Here's one for taste:

    Carnegie had a dinner party with him, his wife and another couple. The other guy ran his mouth non-stop while Carnegie politely listened, only interjecting to make it clear he was following. At the end of the night the guy complimented Carnegie on his oratorical skills! LOL, Carnegie barely said a word and this guy came away saying Carnegie was a masterful conversationalist and an intensely interesting person.

    We can see that sort of thing with Bill Clinton and Mamdani. Watch them interact with people; those boys are a masterclass on this. They listen, never looking for an opening to interject their talking point. The person they're speaking to feels heard. And that person comes away saying how awesome those guys are at talking!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    There have already been a lot of good tips here. That’s why I’d like to add one more thought that goes in a completely different direction: Your problem might indicate a strong autistic trait. Do some research, observe yourself to see if you notice any others, and have a professional evaluate you if your suspicions are confirmed.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    Why Some People Are Instantly Likeable - Alain de Botton

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2O4tL_lFgQ

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    I’d say you're fighting the wrong enemy. You think everyone else got a skill you missed, but you're really just comparing how you feel inside to how they look outside. That’s not a fair fight.

    Sun Tzu would say to know the ground and know yourself. The ground is a new workplace, so feeling lost is totally normal. Knowing yourself means knowing you're quiet, low on energy, and unsure of your voice. That doesn't make you “subhuman” - it’s just information.

    And you've also done more than you give yourself credit for. Those two weeks of silence were basically scouting, and then you got into a group of other new hires and stayed in it for a month. That’s not nothing.

    The real issue is how you've been talking to yourself. Calling yourself subhuman is like a general tearing down his own army before the battle. And cutting conversations short probably teaches you that talking is risky, which is the opposite of what you need.

    I’d go small. One short, real conversation a day, mostly with people you already know. Ask a question, listen, and let your voice/confidence get stronger by using it. You don’t need to win everyone over, just get comfortable with a few.

    On a related note, perhaps consider that you could be neurodivergent (such as autistic). Neurodivergence is not a weakness - it is a difference in mental structure that can come with both strengths and weaknesses, and if (IF) you are neurodivergent, knowing these things about yourself can help you.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (22 children)

    Just ask them questions about the things they like.

    Say they like football. "What's the best game you ever saw?" "What player would you have liked to meet?"

    Cooking. "What's worth spending money on?" "What kind of knives do you like."

    If you listen 90% of the time you'll get a reputation as a great conversationalist.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (21 children)

    yeah but people liking you doesn't mean you will like them.

    being good at socializing isn't the same as having socialization you find worthwhile or fulfilling.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (20 children)

    Unbelievable as it sounds, it is possible to learn to like all sorts of people.

    Even more incredible, it's possible to learn things from all different sorts of folks and enjoy their company.

    Most astonishing of all? For thousands and thousands of years, human beings used simply socialization as their primary form of entertainment and enlightenment.

    I

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (12 children)

    There's people I socialise with that fulfil my needs for socialisation. There's a few of those.

    Then there's people that I can socialise with just fine, make sure they have a nice time, but it doesn't fulfil my needs whatsoever. There's loads of those.

    I'm glad this stuff works for you, but you don't speak for everyone's social wiring.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (11 children)

    If someone told me they didn't have a medical condition, but they found it a strain to walk around the block, I'd tell them to try to spend a lot more time walking.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (10 children)

    That's certainly one way to brush aside any nuance to how social situations work.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    "Then there’s people that I can socialise with just fine, make sure they have a nice time, but it doesn’t fulfil my needs whatsoever. There’s loads of those."

    If you find socializing with many people a strain, remember that you're the one common factor in all those interactions.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (8 children)

    I'm impressed, you've managed to insult me whilst also insisting that only your opinion is correct.

    I'm humbled by your uncanny social skills. Teach me, sensei.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (7 children)

    If quoting you accurately is an insult, so be it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

    Why? You seem to think I'm insulting you. Is there any point in going on, except that you like being insulted?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (4 children)

    Ultimately, the point is that I find your dismissal of my experiences both massively condescending and the way you choose to do it hugely insulting. Particularly when doing so actively undermines your premise.

    We could have had a nice chat about how different people experience different social situations, how forming connections can be one sided, and related interesting things.

    But no, I'm apparently shit at socialising because I'm different from you. If I was better at it, everyone and their gran would invigorate me socially, I just need to try harder, because everyone works like that and nuance doesn't fucking exist.

    Fire up those magical social skills of yours as you're making a pig's ear of this interaction.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (3 children)

    "Fire up those magical social skills of yours as you’re making a pig’s ear of this interaction."

    You call me sensei, so here's your first lesson.

    Read over all of what you've actually written, then imagine our positions were reversed.

    Do you think you've come across as willing to have an intelligent conversation?

    If so, what sentence or phrase do you consider the warmest and most welcoming of an actual exchange?

    edit - added 'all of'

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    I think my initial comment would have been easy to engage with in good faith rather than the route you took.

    After that you could easily have gone with something like "Looks like we got off on the wrong foot, I wasn't trying to dismiss people's experiences..." and attempted a mood reset rather than doubling down.

    Look at this, you've got me doing your thing for you, almost like I already do what you suggested as a matter of course.

    I could keep this going, ask some rhetorical questions, make some snide remarks, but honestly, this is boring. I wanted to delve into the differences in our outlooks on social experiences, not deal with whatever this is.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (6 children)

    Depends on your standards. I don't share your 'everyone is unique and wonderful' idealization of people. IME very few people are unique or wonderful, most people are boring and base. For every person I meet who is interesting there are about 50 whose life consists of watching TV and bitching about their wife/husband/kids, who get deeply offended at you if you do other things with your time than either of those two things.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

    Like I said to the other commenter, if most of your interactions with other people are unsatisfactory you should consider what the common factor in all those conversations.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

    Yeah, it's me. I'm not interested in the shit they are interested in, and I don't empathize with their self-inflected misery that makes up the bulk of their conversational topics.

    I'd rather stay home and read a book than listen to someone whine about how their dad is mean to them for not buying them a Porsche, and be told I'm an asshole because I don't agree that their dad is an asshole and I think they don't need a Porsche. Plenty of other people though, are happy to have that conversation with them and agree with them their dad is an abusive jerk for not buying them that Porsche. Maybe you are one of those people? maybe you also feel equally aggrieved at your parents or life in general because you don't have a Porsche? I can't relate to that, and frankly I think people who feel angry their dad for not buying them a Porsche are shitty people

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    So literally everyone you know has a dad that can buy them a Porsche?

    It all makes sense now.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Not literally, but metaphorically, yes. People where I live think a 150K salary is poverty and that you can't possibly have a decent life if you don't own a Porsche and have three homes. and they talk about it all the time, you can't sit in restaurant or anywhere without people talking about how their life is awful and depressing because they only have 200K in their checking account and they can't possible feel safe and secure unless it's 2 million. And they love to talk about how their parents are horrible to them for not giving them six to seven figure sums in gifts.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago*

    Honest advice: meet some non-wannabe-rich people.

    Many people are interesting, smart, funny and empathetic. Many other people also suck. The trick is to filter. There is a reason you have a door in front of your place.

    If you consistently run into the people that suck, try meeting other people. People based on a different filter.

    All kinds of things can be a filter. A sports club, a neighbourhood, a job, a political party, a bar... Pick one that you feel comfortable with and that has a higher chance of meeting the good people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    A few things that I haven't read here:

    1. Everyone at work is stressed. Everyone wants to be somewhere else, but has to pay bills. Therefore, don't take it personal if people are angry, frustrated, snap at you or don't want to talk. Many of the people that come across as mean and unfriendly are nice and chill off the clock.

    2. Likewise, accept if people keep their distance. Consider how much distance you want to keep, and how much you trust which coworker. Again, nothing personal, just the way people are. As someone said so nicely, often, politeness is more important than friendliness.

    3. Shared suffering is bonding. "Sucks today, eh?" is a complete sentence and shows that you are on their team. Be careful around talking about specific people or talking politics. And if you do, start slowly. Feel out the other person first, and always consider how big the chance of them being a backstabbing bootlicker is, and how much damage they could do to you in that case. Don't be paranoid either, but don't blindly trust strangers.

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    [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    Read How to win friends and influence people.

    *I like that this was downvoted.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    I've been in your shoes before. Been there for a long time, years. This is not about knowing how to ask questions. It's about anxiety and self image.

    Maybe you're seeing yourself as the new guy or as the introvert, the weirdo, the different. Try to not fixate on it.

    I have two tips:

    1- Accept that you have a personality, some will like it, some won't. Instead of asking or faking interest, look for the people you find genuinely interesting and share your stuff with them. Small stuff, don't need to overshare or be egocentric. "Today I saw something on youtube, ..." "I don't drink coffee because one time I..." "This new project seems interesting, I wonder if...". That's how the conversation picks up and you develop a connection.

    2- There is a hyper-extrovert in the group. Just avoid him. It's impossible to be around these people, they get frustrated when someone is not engaged in the conversation enough and they'll start to be mean.

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