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[–] 220 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It's pretty wild watching AI destroy it's own mother.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

    If you don't shut your mouth mother
    I'm gonna get your head off
    And feed your girls to the dog

    "Homicidal Maniac" -- by Armageddon Dildos.

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  • [–] 107 points 1 week ago (19 children)
  • [–] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

    $17B market cap

    P/E 21.5

    Not really, no

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  • [–] 37 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    Explain it to me like I have not money invested in anything other than real physical property.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    It means investors as a whole are willing to pay 21 dollars for every dollar of Reddits annual earnings.

    Reddit is still increasing it's yearly profit by about 50%, which is a lot. Reddit stock p/e was above 50 because investors were more confident in the stock price continuing to rocket up.

    Now investors are concerned about stalling user growth, decreased user engagement, Google's AI search results cannibalizing ad views, and reddit requiring login.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    If you think that Reddit will continue making money about the same as they have been, then 21 means that the stock is a bargain, and you should buy it.

    If you think that Reddit's revenues are going to drop in a way that is not reflected in the current accounting statements, then the P/E is not an accurate measure of value, and you should stay away.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    21 is not a bargain, look at bank stocks if you think a 21 p/e at stable income is a bargain.

    The US stock exchange is completely inflated, but the inflation keeps new money from across the globe flowing back. As the 7% annualised gains in S&P500 are among the top of the world, but the entire growth is based on a perception people will continue to flow money into the ponzi scheme rather than underlying value.

    Novo Nordisk, trades at 9.78 P/E. That's a stable profit stock.

    Barclay's, trades at a 8.32 P/E. That's a stable profit stock.

    American stocks are just inflated through the fucking roof.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    $17B

    How many reddits is tha?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Stock fundamentals mean nothing nowadays. Tesla at one point had a P/E ratio around 300, and it just kept getting worse.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Tesla at one point had a P/E ratio around 300

    They're currently at 433.

    But the S&P 500 average is around 23-26. Historically, in the 16-20 ballpark.

    Reddit is fairly valued, even if it's administered by a bunch of assholes.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    That's what I mean by worse.

    A decade, and more, ago it was taught that a company with a P/E under 15, with a few other fundamentals checked, was a good investment for a growth stage company. When that P/E went above 40 it was time to evaluate if selling is needed because the stock is over valued and due for a correction.

    None of that matters anymore.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    A decade, and more, ago it was taught that a company with a P/E under 15, with a few other fundamentals checked, was a good investment for a growth stage company.

    What? No. It was a good investment for a stable blue chip company.

    Growth stocks are always going to be on the high end. 30-50 p/e is very normal, especially with a bullish sentiment behind a growing company. 100 p/e wasn't outrageous if a company was growing rapidly.

    What's surreal about firms like Tesla is that they're already functionally blue chip. They've done their growth phase and largely saturated their markets. But they value as though people anticipate Tesla to eclipse Toyota in the next twenty years, absent any evidence to that effect.

    None of that matters anymore.

    There are a few outlier firms outperforming the pack - the MAG7, specifically - that are trying to claim growth stock status on the grounds that tech infrastructure consumption is preparing to increase rapidly.

    Whether that pans out remains to be seen.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    It’s even worse - last time I checked Tesla had the market cap of the top-15 Auto OEMs.

    This would mean Tesla’s enterprise value implied it would be a bigger more profitable business than the entire automotive market

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  • [–] 52 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Hi, I am not very smart at the economy. Is it considered good when a company loses over 60% of its value in one year?

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  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    At this point in history ... the economy looks and acts more like a religion or cult

    It only exists based on the beliefs and faith of the people who follow it ... as soon as enough people lose faith in it, it is no longer worth anything

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    [–] 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I’m more shocked some people thought it was worth 260 a share. Sweet Jesus that’s stupid.

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  • [–] 75 points 1 week ago (15 children)

    Reddit has such a good thing going for it when they posted the little gold vs server costs progress bar daily.

    It had a great incentive loop “you like the site, site is underfunded, want to donate a bit”?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 week ago (14 children)

    They were losing money the whole time doing that. The plan was always to go public and start profiting then.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    I don't really buy that.

    Firstly, mastodon and Lemmy run for free. I know servers accept donations, but it's viable at a relatively small price.

    They started aggressively hiring around 2016 or so, they took on VC, and they needed to unload, and that's when they started going to shit.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I wouldn't compare lemmy. My god the shitloads of problems I have browsing here! It's literally most buggy site I know of. Maybe it works fine on a phone, but if it can't work well in a simple browser, it's broken.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    When have you every heard someone Reddit wasn't the buggiest site they know of?

    Agree Lemmy mobile site is bad, they random with some bad ideas.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Reddit's smooth as glass compared to lemmy. I have to browse by hiding each post then refreshing the front page (and I can't tell if I hide the post or not so I'm double checking all the time). "Next" doesn't work, "next" doesn't work on replies made to me, old.lemmy is completely broken, much more. Maybe it's different for different servers, but if .world, one of the largest, is such a clusterfuck, I can't imagine what smaller servers are like.

    I'm an old IT tech, got the patience of Buddha for tech bullshit, but most people wouldn't hang here two minutes. And if they do, they'll see all the animal and lolita porn every 4th post ("furry" and "anime"). I would never tell someone I'm on here.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Ah yes, just operate at a loss until you somehow turn a profit. Brilliant!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    It is a sound strategy for companies that need to reach a certain size to be viable, pretty much every mass-consumer tech company does it/did it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    It is a sound strategy in the current market climate, for sure. It shouldn't be, but we've allowed markets to consolidate to the point where they often have few enough players to count on your fingers, so it is.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    There’s one tiny detail that you need a viable plan to actually turn a profit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    And reddit did turn a profit, for the first time ever, shortly after going public.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    It sucks to suck, Spez, you greedy pig boy.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    That’s when they perma banned me, your welcome

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  • [–] 33 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    Requiring login is going to limit their ad revenue.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Unfortunately, the login will just improve the personalization of ads.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I am guessing they did the math and this came on top

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    Don't overestimate their intelligence.

    Actually, do yourself a favour and listen to their q3 earnings report. These are some extremely cringy nerds with no value outside of having their forum become viral for being somewhat usable. Its obvious they have no idea what made Reddit usable and are trying to pivot into a live-service-esque walled garden.

    They keep talking about making Reddit "Awesome", with more "interactive lived experiences" (actual quotes by spez during the earnings rep, I would have sold too.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    Cringy nerds is an understatement. They all think they’re Adonis ubermen and cannot stand even a few moments where they’re not aggressively huffing their own farts. They’re fucking losers. Fucking. Losers. Every single one of them.

    I’m so tired of such fucking losers dictating our lives. It needs to stop. Nothing would make me happier than their shitty website just imploding. But that won’t happen now that we exist on a bot based economy.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 week ago (1 child)
    [–] 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Zoom on how the stock market liked the decision to kick out all the lurkers:

    fuck Reddit and fuck spez

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    also the new reddit UI, if you arent using any of the apps like redlib, or a reskin extension, is very cumbersome and unsable.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 week ago

    They are still way up on their IPO but it will be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming months or years.

    stock graph of RDDT showing "max" timeframe selected, graph starts from 2024 and goes up up down sharply, up up then down super sharp like OP graph bringing stock price to around where it was a year ago

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago

    I just hope that spez didn't sell any stock, but only used it as collateral for loans. That way the piss baby won't just end up broke, he'll go into debt as well.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (1 child)
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