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[–] 39 points 1 week ago*

Outside Nvidia. The shovel users are not making money.

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  • [–] [S] 94 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    The AI revolution has achieved something truly unprecedented: billions in spending, endless executive keynotes, and no measurable payoff for most businesses. Apparently the killer app was convincing CEOs to transfer their budgets to seven tech companies: »Revenue per worker is rising for the Mag 7 but is flat for the S&P 493.«

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  • [–] 41 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    I see this as a potentially GOOD thing. All those companies who dove in headfirst are gonna come out of it significantly weakened, while those wise enough to take a more measured approach will get the opportunity to take the leadership positions they probably deserve (at least more than those others). If nothing else, there might be more competition after all this.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    ai has also made some people way more productive and automated some really valuable things

    the entire industry hasn't quite been one-guyed as yet. the numbers definitely don't match the epic valuations however

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    ai has also made some people way more productive

    People say this, but all of the data I've seen shows that those same people are less productive whenever their supposed productivity gains are actually measured, in any way that isn't just "felt more productive".

    I'm open to hard data that says otherwise. But I haven't seen it.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    AI only feels like it boosts productivity because it kicks the can down the road and makes it somebody else's job to clean it up.

    You saved time generating your work email? Now I spend time translating what it's actually supposed to say because half of it is irrelevant garbage.

    You saved time generating your event poster? Now I spend time recreating it (because you've anchored on that version), or painstakingly editing out all the incorrect notation.

    You saved time generating your logo? No there's no way to 'clean it up', the anatomy and structure makes no physical sense. So I have to recreate it from scratch anyway.

    You saved time automating this spreadsheet? It's not arranged in an importable format and now i have to spend time breaking down all the arbitrarily merged cells so I can even use it. My computer freezes twice under the load of processing excess garbage data.

    You only think AI saves time because it's wasting somebody else's.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    The spreadsheet one hurts. I'm currently going over a colleague's fancy spreadsheet and have decided that only an AI can edit it in the future, because the formulas are written in a way that need to be interacted with from a script or command-line tool and nobody's going to do that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    Office scripts are difficult yes

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    There are Python tools for interacting with xlsx which are pretty nice, but I'm not going to use that to edit a spreadsheet. Kind of defeats the purpose.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Well I can give an example of why a tool like that is useful.

    Export data for a client form internal system but that export looks like shit.

    I could spend an hour cleaning it up (multiplied by the number of other workers needing to do similar things) or I could write an office script and create essentially an import template that formats it nicely.

    I'm choosing the latter every time.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 week ago*

    In other news,

    SHOCKING! Economically critical demographic of CEOs FAIL reverse turing test! You'll never guess who...

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago

    Professional grifter finds new grift not sufficiently contributing to grift counter.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago

    record numbers of “how do i connect to localhost from my friend’s laptop” and useless dashboards your devs were too busy to make, tho

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I'd argue that most tech companies aren't actually seeing benefit matching what they've wasted ineffectively

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yeah I don’t even know if the company I work for has actually gotten more benefit than it’s cost us. The bill is significant, for one thing. For another we have a whole group of people developing AI tools for internal use now. They aren’t cheap. Of course there’s some benefit but is it net positive? No idea. Is it hugely positive? Fuck no.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    Definitely not the panacea it's being peddled as. I have yet to see the expectation pan out that I can work less and do the things I enjoy more. (Keep in mind I loved what I did for work so it didn't used to seem like work. Now it does)

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Let’s not forget the endgame of decimating home computing.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Big tech isn't exactly winning either. Over $194 billion spent with mere millions in ROI thus far.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago

    To be fair, it did pay off in boats and vacation homes for a whole generation of salesmen.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 week ago

    They were so happy to throw hardworking people onto the street in favour of AI because they were hoping for quick easy money and unless they start to grovel in front of pedo in the WH to save them with a bailout most of them will be declaring bankruptcy soon, but that might have been the plan all along so they can be bought cheap.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Inside the tech industry, the company with the biggest payoff in this is NVIDIA. With another smaller payoff for AMD. That's about it.

    It's like a gold rush for fool's gold. The only ones making money are the guys selling shovels.

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    [–] 18 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I don’t know.

    I know Dev teams right now that have gone full AI slop programming and their PMs and Customers see it as insane productivity to the point that they have so much work coming in they can’t stop using AI now.

    Do they agree the codebase is in utter shambles? Yes. Do they think it’s fixable? Yes. Do they think they have the time to fix it? Nope.

    They’re all just buying time waiting for it to break. The sad part is some of them are sipping the AI koolaid so hard they say they’ll just let the AI fix it when it breaks.

    I mean literally just yesterday one of the senior devs was bragging in the cube next to me that he just did 3 months of work in 5 minutes with AI.

    Most of these AI sippers are old dudes who are one foot into retirement and instead of coding they want to yap about their golf club set all day.

    As a younger dev and a person who loves to code it makes my heart hurt listening to the AI slop bragging.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    As a programmer nearing retirement, I'm not adding to the slop problem myself, but I am absolutely looking forward to leaving the field for someone else to clean up.

    I am hoping to tidy one small corner of it for an outrageous pay-out, on my way out of the field.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yea no shit. How could anyone have foreseen this!?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    AI feels at home in Bash. Corporate office work is mouse shoveling and email back and forth. Its a long way to get there.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Productivity is a collective achievement. AI in its current form increases individual output (not necessarily good output) without any way to support consensus, alignment, understanding, etc. Without AI supported collaboration, AI supported individual productivity makes everything go very fast in every direction. Like an explosion.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    It's a good thing those invasive advertisers are currently covering everybody's losses. Fuck invasive ads, especially Tide!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    It's even funnier when consumers adopt AI agents to get refunds, move money around to high yield accounts, find deals and coupons and companies panic when it works.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    It's already happening and wastes a tremendous amount of time. In a sea of bullshit slop there might be one (1) claim that's actually valid and might land you in deep legal trouble if not addressed. As usual small business are the most vulnerable to this.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    With the recent reverse engineering achievements, rather than zero financial payoff, it might be even be negative for the gaming sector in particular.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    It would require further development of AI before it can automate physical factories. There are assorted species of critters that cannot be mass-slaughtered, because they require surgical cuts to remove bones or work around tough parts. An sufficiently advanced AI can X-ray and measure the carcass, then carve up the beast with minimal waste.

    Of course, this would be very expensive, requiring entirely new infrastructure and procedures to implement. I suspect that the transition to industrial-application of AI would be slow - then sudden, after testbed factories prove the viability of AI automated workflows.

    Why don't we eat alligators?

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    [–] -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Productivity isn't where most businesses are going to strike pay dirt. They're going to get their value in processing information and in prototyping ideas/products/solutions before actually physically making them.

    So the article may be absolutely true and completely missing the point.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    *having an illusion of information processing and producing tons of shitty prototypes. Yeah, sure, get their value, right

    that's more about how most businesses use llms, less about what they are actually good/bad at

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago*

    I'm with you on two key points:

    1. Prototyping is amazing, and provides real and dramatic benefits.
    2. Generative AI is an amazing protyping tool.

    But the value proposition falls to pieces if we compare the costs and impacts of LLM prototypes and paper prototypes.

    Before LLMs were invented, there waa strong data showing that paper prototypes are insanely compelling, even when compared with easy cheap rapid prototyping software.

    LLM prototypes just aren't a pragmatic option. (By the data, so far.)

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  • [–] -4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I don't believe this at all, the way it works is not completely direct, but through productivity gains that are harder to measure.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    Productivity here is not just speed. It’s cost to get the speed.

    If a manufacturer can spend a trillion dollars and get 100000% faster throughout, their consumption model may not fit that need.

    Just because marketing can go 1000% faster doesn’t mean the business is 1000% more profitable given the costs

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