If an election were held today, 48% of committed voters would vote Liberal, 32% Conservative, 9% NDP, 6% Bloc Québécois, 3% Green, 1% People’s Party, and 1% another party.

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[–] 35 points 2 weeks ago (38 children)

LPC won because most people wanted to keep whiney christian-nationalist bigots out of the office. Not because we wanted to see federal government destroy any and all workers' rights. Not to see more power and free money handed to billionaires and corporations.

Carney won't be able to use anti-american scare tactics to get his way forever. It's great that Pierre PP is not our Prime Minister, but WTF is LPC doing? Do they want to see maple-MAGA win the next election?

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Yes of course they do. It's important (to them) that we alternate exclusively between right-wingers in red and right-wingers in blue. If they allow socialists into power even once, the Overton window will be dragged to the left and their owners can't allow that.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Socialists/Leftists/NDP/Greens in this country don't care about the workers either. They live in their own silly ideological bubble, detached from the ground realities of the working poor.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 2 weeks ago (33 children)

    No, and that's why the NDP shouldn't have elected Avi Lewis. Between the two of them, I vote Carney. Now, replace him with Stiles and we talk.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (21 children)

    Disagreed. Stiles will lead to another ford win as she rides the centre and it doesn't work.

    Avi Lewis is finally pushing the party back to its worker roots and this is the NDPs only real chance.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    If Ford wins, it will be because the 60% of voters who don't want him to win can't make up their minds who they want to replace him. When Lewis loses (again), it will be because he's told the 70% of people who might consider voting NDP he doesn't want them.

    I live in a provincial NDP riding. Every riding in this city except one went NDP in 2025. And yes, I voted for that. I will be surprised as hell if Lewis doesn't lose seats.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

    You deleted your other comment, so I'll just put this here instead.

    Avi has run. Twice. In two different ridings. He came in third in both elections. Sure, he wasn't the NDP leader at the time, but name recognition should have worked in his favour. Ask yourself why it didn't.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (18 children)

    No, canadians punished Singh and as they should have. He was a Rolex wearing pretend progressive. You can ignore that he tanked the party all you want but that's fine. Also, true progressive and pro worker messages will always take more effort and time as they get attacked on all sides by monied voices. Layton lost a lot of elections before he started winning some.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago (10 children)

    The difference between Layton and Lewis is I'd have voted for Layton, and did. And also Layton advocated for things that would have actually benefited me. I'm not benifitting from a public grocery store, or a unionized job in the trades, just to pick two.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

    I voted for Layton too and met him and Olivia multiple times in the early days. He was amazing. But check his record during the Dion days. He was more of a centrist than you remember perhaps. He was on the frontlines with unions but voted to make deals with neoliberals. He was winning us over because he was the first genuine attempt at a progressive alternative. But in his time leading the party he did very little to push worker friendly deals. I get it why. That wasnt his job. But its Lewis'.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (8 children)

    So far I've heard nothing out of Lewis that's friendly to this worker. Until that changes, my vote doesn't.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (7 children)

    Huh???

    I met him in 2007 when he was repping the Take, which is a film explicitly highlighting worker ownership and inspired me to co-found a workers cooperative. He has authored dozens of works promoting workers rights since them. And now he has a platform dedicated to protecting workers in a digital economy, which is absolutely a good thing, and has worked for decades to expand union rights.

    No NDP leader (or any political leader) has as long a pro worker track sheet as Lewis and he has made it central to his campaign.

    Makes me wonder where you are coming from. Were you unaware of the above perhaps?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (6 children)

    So he's pro-union, not pro-worker. Great if you're in a union, but fuck the rest of us.

    I met him in 2007 when he was repping the Take, which is a film explicitly highlighting worker ownership and inspired me to co-found a workers cooperative.

    Was that before, during or after his time as a journalist with CBC? We already have one of those. He's the AI minister.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

    The Take wasnt about unions. It was about workers cooperatives, which he also advocates for. Not sure you properly read my post or maybe you dont know what workers cooperatives are. Creating more space for alternatives to anti-worker corporations is a good thing.

    He was a CBC journalist about 20 years ago. Hes also been a professor and community activist for longer. Not an impressive critique.

    Edit: just yesterday the NDP pushed forward a right to strike bill which the liberals and conservatives voted against. This is explicitly pro worker as its through general assembly and strikes we won most of our labour rights.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (4 children)

    The NDP pushed through a bill to remove section 107, which was defeated. The SCC established the constitutional right to strike in 2015. Not only does section 107 not take that away, but the language the government has been using since 2024 has been in that legislation since the 80's. That bill was theater, not pro-anything. The solution is amend section 107 to make it clear it can only be enforced through back-to-work legislation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    Another one:

    https://lemmy.ca/post/73103520

    Lewis pushing for nationalization of Stelco to save jobs. And in this case we have admission from the owner it was bought because it was too efficient and was undercutting their own production. So nationalization in this case is a good idea, of a profitable industry important for national security. No other party is pushing for such protection of these jobs. The Liberals are not stopping those losses from happening and law suits against the owners is a slow step. Nationalize like the UK did to steel very recently.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    I mean, Lewis would nationalize Canadian Tire if he could. That's what activists do. They perform. And Lewis is performing. "capitalism is the problem," he says, while wildly benefiting from capitalism.

    Nationalizing Stelco wouldn't save jobs any more than forcing Cleveland Cliffs to sell the company to a responsible owner would. What nationalizing Stelco would absolutely do is make it a political football. Of course Lewis wants to nationalize Stelco. He'll never have to deal with the consequences. Activists don't get elected.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

    You say he isn't pro worker until I show he is, then you hand wave and say its all performance so doesn't count. Take off bud. You are just another NDP disparager like the long line of them since I have been following politics (since long before Layton btw).

    As for saying saying to another company is better than nationalization, I would say that really depends on a lot of things. We just sold to these guys and they turned out to be anti trust. UK just nationalized their steel and they are deeply pro capitapist. I think you just dont like progressivism or socialism.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 week ago

    It's more like neither progressivism nor socialism likes me. You're just redefining what the classes are. You'll still be on the bottom either way.

    You say he isn’t pro worker until I show he is, then you hand wave and say its all performance so doesn’t count.

    Nationalization in and of itself is not pro-worker. Paying people properly, with proper benefits and protections, is pro-worker. We have no evidence the federal NDP under Lewis would do that. We have plenty of evidence that the Manitoba and BC NDP did not do that. The Alberta NDP wasn't long enough in power to count, nor was the Rae NDP not to mention being 30 years ago. How much is the UK paying its steelworkers with the company it nationalized? How does that compare to the private sector in the UK? That's what determines how pro-worker it is.

    As for saying saying to another company is better than nationalization, I would say that really depends on a lot of things. We just sold to these guys and they turned out to be anti trust.

    And yet the guys who sold Stelco to these guys were not, and the guys who run Algoma Steel are not. This guy's an asshole, I agree. This guy also signed a contract. We agree what he's doing should hurt him. Where we disagree is what hurting him should look like.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    NDP is a party of ideological morons. They stopped caring about workers a while back.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    The caucus just elected the most pro worker leader since its founding.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    After they elected performative, useless, moronic leaders who destroyed the party for anyone who isn't a partisan ideologue.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Okay but thats not who they just elected. You dont seen to be discussing in good faith to be honest.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    I wish they manage to build momentum by the next general election, but it seems unlikely. NDP has successfully managed to nuter themselves to appease a few.

    It'll be a while before they grow enough balls for a blue collar worker to take them seriously again.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Lewis is a brand new leader. What drives you to disparage so unnecessarily. Ive been following this party since BEFORE layton. Lewis is the first to really focus on these topics. Which makes me question your motives.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago

    No ulterior motives. I'd've been very happy if Jack became our PM and did shave that mustache as he promised.

    I just don't trust that party after what they turned into after him.

    I even supported Avi's bid for leadership from the sidelines after realizing Rob Ashton is too "white" and "cis" for psychotic NDP partisans to become the leader.

    I wish them well, but I don't see NDP forming the government next election.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Isn't Stiles Ontario Provincial leader not federal? Why mix up the two?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Yea, she's Ontario NDP leader and a good one at that.

    OP didn't mix it up. They said specifically yo replace Avi with Stiles at the federal level. That doesn't mean she is a federal politician, but it'd be nice if she was the federal NDP leader.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Oh I see. I just misread it. Thanks for clarifying it.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Couldn't agree more. I hope Ontario stops crying about Bob Rae and give that lady a shot at governing.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    She's got a better shot provincially than federally, which sucks because we need her federally. People keep mocking Pierre for losing his riding but Avi can't even win one.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    I didn't know Avi ran in a riding election!

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    He ran in two general elections, came in third for both. In two different ridings, I'll add. 2021 and 2025.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    He ran for NDP under Singh. Thats as much Singhs fault as any NDP running under him. Also, he is the first to be trying to pull the party back to pro worker positions so give him time. Nearly every other NDP leader we've seen in a long while have been centrists and that rarely works out for them.

    Edit: for all your weird targeted Lewis hate i hope you at least acknowledge he is rising in polls, and starting to bite at CPC numbers. Singh and Mulcair did nothing but erase NDP support.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Hey, he can have all the CPC voters he wants. Sooner that party resets the better for Canada. That by no means says he'll lead the NDP to government, though.

    And if your bar is Singh, it's on the floor. That supply and confidence agreement with Trudeau was dumb. And while that explains the result in 2025, what's your excuse for 2021? Singh hadn't screwed up the party yet.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago

    There's a lot of work ahead of us.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

    Hmm, if only there was some sort of electoral reform they could do to proportionally represent this in the elected government...

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

    If your criticism of Carney is that he's a conservative in a red tie, do you really want him to have *more* power than he does right now?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

    Do you not understand that proportional representation distributes power so that no one party has total control?

    Its why its such a good campaign promise (from Trudeau) and why the Liberals refuse to deliver it

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago (16 children)

    Do you not understand that proportional representation distributes power so that no one party has total control?

    Do you not understand that if the NDP has 15% of the seats, they can still be ignored if this PM wants them to be? LPC has a majority by itself right now. If you already think Carney's too conservative, the last thing you want is him having a majority with the actual Conservative party's help.

    Its why its such a good campaign promise (from Trudeau) and why the Liberals refuse to deliver it

    To be clear, Trudeau never promised PR. HE promised election reform. The committee recommended PR and Trudeau noped out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (15 children)

    This Trudeau guy sounds like a total piece of shit.

    Is he the same white supremist misogynist that threw Jody Wilson-Raybould under a train for refusing to suck-his-dick/follow-his-orders?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago (14 children)

    Yup. Also groped a reporter and said she experienced it differently.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (13 children)

    What a disgusting piece of shit. I hope anyone named Trudeau is immediately rejected by Canadians if that pos family ever tries to enter politics again.

    I don't actually believe in "tainted blood" but I'll make an exception for anyone related to this POS called Trudeau. Fuck that entire bloodline.

    Is this POS Trudeau also a close friend of the Aga Khan cult that exploits poor people in developing countries in the name of Islam?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago (12 children)

    Yup, that one. The guy Canada thought would be better than Harper. Not that Harper was great either but after three terms of Trudeau the CPC could have probably brought him back.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (11 children)

    Sounds like this Trudeau guy took our country for a ride.

    Is he also that mthrfkr that siphoned money into his mum's account thru "WeCharity"? A charity mired in corruption and "white saviour" propaganda? Involving that Craig Kielburger POS who exploited the plight of Christian indentured slaves like Iqbal Masih in Pakistan to increase his family's net worth without giving a penny to the victims?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (10 children)

    I mean, yes he's a corrupt politician. And yes he had a corrupt politician daddy. I challenge you to show me a politician who isn't corrupt.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (9 children)

    That's kinda why we lean towards the lesser of two evils at the polls.

    When you play the "not corrupt" character in public, you get more criticism.

    Most of us know and expect Pierre PP to be a total POS. You don't sit with that core base without being a total POS.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (8 children)

    That’s kinda why we lean towards the lesser of two evils at the polls.

    I mean, then we kinda get what we deserve and don't really have any room to complain about what we voted for. We did it to ourselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (7 children)

    We hoped Carney won't be as shitty as we knew Pierre PP and CPC to be.

    We had no other realistic choice. Blanchet and Singh were nonstarters.

    PPC and Green Party only really exist to keep May and Bernier employed.

    We did it to ourselves because it was our only option at that point in time.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (6 children)

    We hoped Carney won’t be as shitty as we knew Pierre PP and CPC to be.

    Well, on that, he's not. But that hasn't stopped the complaining.

    We had no other realistic choice. Blanchet and Singh were nonstarters.

    That's an excuse and a poor one. You always have a choice. You made that choice.

    PPC and Green Party only really exist to keep May and Bernier employed.

    On this you'll get no argument from me.

    We did it to ourselves because it was our only option at that point in time.

    Absolutely not. And part of the reason I agree with you about PPC and Green is exactly this statement.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

    I'm not saying he's some monster. But, why shouldn't plebs complain about some of the things PM is choosing to do?

    Poor, working class people didn't get inspired by Singh. Most of the country doesn't agree with a lot of the stuff BQ stands for.

    PM's got the majority now. He'll do as he please and I'll waste my time and energy bitchin about it.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (4 children)

    I’m not saying he’s some monster. But, why shouldn’t plebs complain about some of the things PM is choosing to do?

    If you're complaining constructively, fine. If you're complaining just to hear yourself talk, save your energy. And the way you're complaining right now, you're doing it just to hear yourself talk.

    Poor, working class people didn’t get inspired by Singh. Most of the country doesn’t agree with a lot of the stuff BQ stands for.

    Poor, working class people shouldn't be getting inspired by politicians in the first place. I mean, unless you're in a union, then maybe Avi's your guy. And the BQ doesn't give a shit about most of the country. You can only vote for them in Quebec.

    PM’s got the majority now. He’ll do as he please and I’ll waste my time and energy bitchin about it.

    Or, you can put your time and energy into making what he's doing affect you less. I mean, you're gonna do what you're gonna do and that's your choice, but one of those things is productive.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    You're right and I agree with you.

    It really is a waste bitchin about it like an idiot. It just feels nice doing it now and then.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    Might I suggest going for a walk, or seeing if you can get your hands on a punching bag? I get the need to release frustration, but put that energy into something positive for you. They're too far out of the reach for anything negative from you.

    And, like I said, work on making yourself less effected by what they do. If surviving the 2008 recession and whatever the hell the current economy is has taught me anything, it's I should have started that second thing years ago.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    The Carney admin has actually been doing more than I've seen any Canadian government do in my entire lifetime.

    Just looking at the last two months:

    • All the trade war shit with Trump
    • EU associate membership
    • launched Digital Transformation Canada, which I'm pretty excited about. As long as they don't consolidate everything further into M365 which has been the plan the last several years.
    • launched Sovereign Cloud Services procurement project for new cloud services in Canada with national security exemptions and requirements. We spend over $120M/year on cloud, though the exact number isn't clear because there's a ladder of different contract agreements. We can afford to build/source our own at that budget.
    • launched Canadian Council on AI
    • Evan Solomon (I know we all hate him) has started digital partnerships with UK + Ireland after the AI summit
    • Had our first sovereign-tech-alliance meeting with Germany
    • Defence department is building a new Canadian datacenter
    • ISED announced roadmap for sovereign compute infrastructure

    Microsoft is shitting itself. This year should have been over a billion in contract renewals after the 2019 contracts close out, and now they're putting out white papers that "Sovereign" tech is compatible with the CLOUD Act because you can still control your data (just don't worry about the US government having access to it).

    Never in my life have I seen the government move this quickly and US companies shit themselves so hard.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Now if they could just fix housing we'd be in business.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    The answer is supply side.

    I still want them to make the CMHC build houses for average families and developers can try to compete.

    Right note there’s not enough competition and developers are building up market instead of for real families.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    I don't care what side the demand is on. We've been talking about fixing the housing crisis since at least 2006. Enough already. Cut immigration, build more housing, and for crying out freaking loud pressure the provinces to implement proper vacancy control.

    No, federal NDP voters, national vacancy control at the federal level is not an option. Not even if Avi says it should be.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yeah, essentially subsidized housing both for sale and for rent. Then builders will need to be competitive or justify higher costs by having actual higher quality homes.

    Right now they sell average homes for premium prices.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's still absolutely wild to me that the Conservatives doubled down and kept PP as leader after the last election

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  • [+] -6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    They should change the name of this group to Canada liberal testicular polishers.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    LPC is passionately bashed here far more often than any other party.

    Sure there are partisans, but there's a large number that isn't loyal to any political party and wants the best for average, working class Canadians.

    Carney is slowly becoming the new Justin with the bullshit he keeps pulling.

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