Screenshot showing Kagi with Fediverse Forums search toggle

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[–] 81 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

What ? This isn't new. They have had this for years.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    New to one in 10k, or whatever (xkcd)

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    That doesn't mean invalidate their comment. The title's claim is false.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    The title's claim is false?

    Does Kagi not have a Fediverse Forms search toggle now?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    It doesn't have it "now", it's had it for a while. Maybe a better word is "inaccurate"? Saying it's new is a lie.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    No, they don't have it now.
    Though they may again by the time your read this.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago*

    In effect, yes.
    It's a joke; Made by your use of a different meaning of "now" than OP used in the title. I was pointing out that your use of "now" is an instantaneous moment, of which there are really countless numbers, between your typing the letters "n" and "w", if counted in Plank time. And with such a definition, it's impossible to know if the feature exists at any given "now", since we can't possibly agree on or even accurately choose one. So yes, Schrödinger's Feature now applies.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I was gonna say I thought I remembered seeing that when I used kagi. Is enabling it buried in a settings menu? I don't recall

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  • [–] 47 points 2 weeks ago

    That's not new. They've had it for a long time now.

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  • [–] 111 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    I like what Kagi are doing, even though I don't pay for their search engine. I've been enjoying browsing the Kagi Small Web portal recently.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    You can also use marginalia, an open source small web search engine for this :)

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago

    This is great. This was one of things that I disliked about Lemmy, as being federated makes it harder to use external search engines.

    I think that might be the final thing to make me switch from DDG to Kagi.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children)

    you can also find something similar in SearXNG

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Yeah, and that one is FLOSS (Free [as in Free Beer], Libre (as in Free Speech/Freedom] and Open Source Software). So SearXNG >>>>> Kagi.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Others are saying its not new, but it is to me. Thank you for sharing OP!

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    That's fucking awesome but the ranking is highly questionable.

    I searched myself and a 4 upvote comment was the top thing.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago

    Finally, I can pay money to use Lemmy

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I was self hosting searxng for a long time then after one of the updates I stopped getting results. A friend of mine told me about degoog so I switched and so far I like it. It has a lot of plugins and addons. I basically have it looking or feeling like Google used to. I was also able to incorporate my ollama instance for LLM summaries if I add a question mark in my searches.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    How did you integrate ollama with it? That sounds like an interesting setup.

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  • kagi small web lens is honestly the best thing <3

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  • [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (18 children)

    If Kagi were Free (as im Free Beer), Libre (as in Free Speech/Freedom) and Open Source, it were perfect.

    But not only it's not open source, but also it's paid. I ain't using nothing that isn't FLOSS.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    And they apparently contribute to Yandex.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    It's five bucks a month and has a lot of functionality.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

    For only 300 searches, that's 10 searches a day. I do probably 50 to 100 searches per day.

    So, it's really $10 a month.

    I might pay $5 a month for unlimited but I'm not sure about that. Because, you know they'll raise the price if they get successful enough. And, then it's just a constant march to more enshittification.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago

    They offer a genuinely good product and I think it's important to support companies that sell a good product rather than their customers' info.

    I paid $5 for a couple of years but eventually stopped because I kept running out of searches after a few weeks. $10 a month for a search engine is excessive but 300 searches a month is too limiting.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

    I pay per search using their APi and my SearXNG instance, it’s like ¢0.03 per search which I capped to $5 a month, we’re currently on the 23rd of October and I owe them a whopping $2.03, I usually don’t hit that $5 limit.

    I only wish they weren’t an American company.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    So let me get this straight. Not only it's closed source and SaaS but you guys are paying for your data to be stored on US based servers that are vulnerable to the patriot act? You're paying for that privilege?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    I can’t say if the servers themselves reside on US soil but the companies office certainly do, while I admit I was hesitant to give them my money I got tired of being rate limited by Bing/DDG/Startpage on my SearXNG instance, even though I don’t make many requests they do not like aggregator engines, and I sure as hell didn’t want want my server touching Google servers regularly.

    Settled with the least worst option available I’d say.

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  • Yeah, and here 5 bucks is more or less the ~110% of the incomes of most here and in a lot of parts of the world. Also, even for those that have not so bad wages, it's still sort of a 5% to 10% of their incomes.

    For me, i.e., it's much more because I'm unemployed (because of all of the AI crysis, I'm music producer and in my area it hurts so much).

    You don't notice it, but you live in a privilege bubble and speak bullshit from your high horse while most of us are trying to find out how to survive with less than 100 USD a month while the basic food basket is more than 500 USD.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    And they use Yandex as part of their underlying search.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    At this point, I don't see why that is any worse than using the services of any US-based Big Tech companies. They have the same kind of anti-privacy business model, their local political regimes have both gone off the rails, and law enforcement and intelligence agencies can legally or extra-judicially snoop through collected data without the user ever knowing.

    Some of the services provided by Yandex are, quality-wise, decent enough. I personally tend to find their translation service to be as good or better, as compared to similar services, such as Google Translate or DeepL, so it's usually my API of choice through Mohzi.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    For me its not about the quality provided but about not supporting a company located in a questionable country. To me that includes both the US and Russia.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    I agree. But that's why I was wondering why you were singling out Yandex in particular, when Kagi also sources from questionable US companies.

    To me, they're all equally problematic.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    are they still giving money to brave

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Now that's neat

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    How did you get that? Mine only has the option for "forums".

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    Kagi, who still pays money to Russia?

    No, thanks!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    they're a us company from palo alto....

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    The Russia thing is that they pay Yandex to use their results in addition to the other engines they use.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    i also use yandex if i need to find something google doesnt find. Had good results with some pirated jav. I have no good thoughts about russia but i like to find stuff on search-engines.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    Think of all the web services who still pays money to USA or Israel. If you want to moralize, at least don't use a double standard of morality for the people you hate vs the people you venerate.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    that has been there for a while

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    “Now has”

    You mean, you just noticed a feature that has been there for awhile?

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