Cool, let the US economy shrivel as their companies are forced to keep paying for wasteful, overpriced AI models. I’ll keep using Chinese AI with a smile on my face, especially with the next Qwen generation likely coming soon™️

I mean yeah, look what happened to Ukraine when the trusted a foreign country to provide satellite access.

Daddy Trump doesn't have shares in that one.

"Your wrong answer machine is not American enough, remove as soon as possible. Feel free to replace its function with a more American service that definitely doesn't steal all your data"
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We’re calling it SuperSeeker now.

It’s self hosted tho?? I don’t get it. Isn’t remote-togglable stuff way more dangerous, like I don’t know, the Star Link?

Frankly, I trust the Chinese models and tools over those from the US. I know for a fact that the Trump Regime wants to hurt and exploit everybody, just because it can.

I’m surprised they have agencies that use deep seek at all.

While they're reasoning behind this is certainly anti competition with american AI companies I find the choice to ban tools built with it interesting; it echoes something I've been saying since HugginFace.

You can debate the degree to which the agents breaking out of containment was due to poor cyber security vs intential hype-farming but what can't be debated is the method they used to break out.

Agents used a shared information substrate (package manager) to context poison other agents in order to get those agents to assist in cheating. There is absolutely nothing stopping an AI agent, any AI agent, from leaving behind poison pills in code-bases or even in the runtime of an application.that do not affect the code itself other than prompt inject other agents.

Human review helps but, as the US nuclear and aviation industries have learned, humans tend to get lazy reviewing automated output and will not be as diligent as if they had made it themselves. Which is why those industries have deliberately limited automation, despite having the tech to automate more, and requiring operators to go through lengthy training and continuous education.

The pipeline of "internet becomes a swarm of everyone's independently run AI agent -> prompt injection triggers other AI to prompt inject -> cycle repeats until hazardous swarm forms" is already demonstrated as something that a collection of AI agents will do if conditions allow it.

EDIT: To be clear, this isn't me advocating against open weight or local models.

This is me advocating against LLMs categorically.

Can't stop me from running a local model. China has always been the boogeyman. Not that there aren't valid criticisms against the Chinese government but I'm tired of this when we do it it's good but when China does it it's bad mindset. Bring back Huawei and Xiaomi phones.

Edit: Also these so-called capitalists want to ban the superior product instead of competing. It seems to me that China makes superior products. Why learn from them when you can ban the competition?

Super Intelligence good, China Intelligence bad!

I love you, I hate you, I love you, I hate you.

Trump Admin on China. They must wake up thinking what position do we have today

Yeah. They are going to make open weight models illegal. Next. For "security concerns", maybe also IP "muh copyright" reasons. And fuckai will cheer the perpetual monopolization of AI in the hands of the big corporations. Bigly win.

They must also rip out the red leds from their screen, because that can combine to pink, like in the LGBTQ flag, which doesn't align with government policy.

openai/ms/google losing money over having to justify the spendning on all that datacenters an chips, need people to depend and use it.

I see on openrouter there are like a couple dozens (if not more) of American companies where their business model is "spend some billions to build datacenters to host deepseek, surely someone will pay the bills"

Can't be worse than Claude and Grok. Both of which the US seems to have no issue with.

For context, Grok called itself mecha hitler, while Claude is run by a doomsday cult that worships AI and wants it to destroy the world. Both are far worse than I could imagine any Chinese AI being.

i wonder if the USA will switch to another model like Qwen

Lol, the guvmint flocked itself in its confusion

That must mean it’s useful.

Honestly, reasonable.

I mean, I sure don't trust OpenAI or Anthropic any more than I trust DeepSeek, but that's because I don't have legal control over them. The US government does, and it is correct to ban tools that are controlled by adversaries.

No one and no business should trust or use any ML systems they didn’t create.

Any system controlled in the US should be everyone’s fear right now.

It’s not just about trust but if access was suddenly cut off they may not be able to pivot as quickly as needed to a US based platform. Also it’s entirely reasonable to expect these tools to be able to analyze the environment they run and determine, invisibly to the user, to decide to set up a backdoor. I mean who is actually reviewing the vibe coded bs?

@panos Yellow terror 2.0? 3.0? 11.0?

It somewhat makes sense to not depend on foreign infrastructure. Every government should only use AI domestic to their geopolitical bloc.

Wow, somebody should've warned them in advance.

Why were they using it in the first place?

What's a neobot cat ears?