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[–] 194 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Of look! All those things we said would happen are happening. Quelle surprise.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Qui aurait pu le prévoir? Pikachu.exe

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Walang sinuman ang makakapaghula nito. Isang ganap na sorpresa ito.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Obh obh, cò thog an tùr babel a rithist?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Më thonë se gjyshi im e ndërtoi, por prindërit e mi nuk janë njerëz shumë të besueshëm.

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  • [–] 91 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    It’s almost like abandoning protocols for platforms was a mistake.

    Just like coming down from the trees and leaving the ocean.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    It’s pretty crazy inside ocean though.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (6 children)

    Yeah leaving the ocean was the first big mistake. Or maybe it was going multicellular. Or maybe it was letting in that bacterium that turned into proto-mitrochondria. Seemed like a really good deal at the time, all this new energy available for neat new activities, in exchange for some “progress” and cooperation? What could go wrong!?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    If we hadn’t left the ocean, some other species would’ve taken our place. And while you may feel differently, I really don’t think orcas would be any more responsible than us. This is to say that there’s no guarantee that any species would behave any better than we have, given the same level of intelligence and drive for resources.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    It’s not a zero sum game. Let the orcas go to work. I’ll gladly be their pet or play in their zoo, it’s likely to be better than what we’ve set up.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Can’t help but notice you didn’t mention your eagerness to be the orca’s food, which given the their nature, is drastically more likely.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Nah, they have been widely and countless times shown to be disinterested in or even vehemently opposed to eating us for whatever reason, the only known attacks come from mistreatment or mistaken identity, whereas there are literally centuries of numerous stories of their willingness to partner with us to work for shared hunting spoils in the wild, and numerous stories of their protecting humans from other predators. They’ll be great owners to us.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    I see you either didn’t read or patently disregarded where I said “given our level of intelligence and drive for resources.”There’s no reason to assume they’d be as benevolent as you assume, especially given how deadly they’ve proven to other animals, such as seals, just for sport.

    Orcas are highly disciplined apex predators whose behaviors are calculated survival strategies. I get your understandable dislike of human species, but to pretend that those predators would be kinder and more benevolent than us at our level of intelligence and capacity for reason seems to be nothing more than hating a species that, by and large, is generally kinder than the assholes, who get the most attention.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    In the beginning the Universe was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.

    • Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Don't forget abandoning nomadic lifestyles in favor of agriculture and settled civilizations...

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I don’t know living until a maximum of 50 doesn’t sound great.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    You want to spend an extra 50 years in a drawn-out process of dying?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    50 is not old. Plenty of people can enjoy life into thier 70s. 80+ is where bodily autonomy degrades.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Man, I was just keeping with the deadpan humor of the thread. I know 50 is still young. But leaving the ocean and coming down from the trees likely had similar effects on lengthening life expectancies, no? I don't think we're here for an anthropological debate though, are we?

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  • [–] 73 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    If only there were, I don’t know, a social media network of services that use the same protocol to talk to each other, and has no central authority? Something that, and this may be a stretch here, that is created and ran by the people?

    Maybe someday. 🤷

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Hmm. You might be onto something. Perhaps some kind of universal protocol that would allow for a federation of independent social media nodes, a fedi-verse, if you will.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    I heard that this utopian "freddy-verse" does in fact exist. I wonder how it can be accessed, does anyone know?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    There's an awareness problem, though; the people only on corporate social media need to be told about mbin/piefed/lemmy (and then explained how to sign up and use it because instances, etc.) and it's not really effective to use only things in the fediverse to do that.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    I do think the fediverse is better than the corporate built alternatives but the more time I've spent here the less I believe that it is a great solution. People are the fundamental problem and people control every instance, moderate every community, and post every comment (excluding bots which are their own problem). The amount of infighting I've witnessed here over trivial bullshit is astounding. People are constantly calling for defederation over one offense or another. Much of it rivals Reddit in it's pettiness.

    It's true that no single entity controls it all, and that is an improvement, but everything still gets fragmented so much that I don't think I believe it can reasonably grow beyond what it is now. Not without running into variations of the same problems as the others at least.

    I think the simple truth of the matter is that humans can't help this kind of tribal behavior. We group ourselves together using all kinds of labels, some broad and some incredibly specific, but the end result is always the same. Those with the labels I gave myself which are most important to me are my friends and those without them are my enemy. Until that primal need to exclude others is gone, any communal space we create will devolve to the point that there are effectively multiple siloed echo chambers that rarely overlap.

    That was more of a rant than I initially intended, but the point is that I don't think the fediverse would have solved this problem. If a federated version of Instagram was the dominant service for that kind of activity then the No Kings account there would have been censored by many groups for many reasons. Enough so that I don't know that the impact would be any different.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I dont think the fediverse will be able to withstand a sophisticated threat in its current form.

    Once the number of MAUs makes it worth manipulating, it will be impossible to manage.

    There will be a few large well managed instances with no federation, and a disparate assortment of tiny instances with very limited federation.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Agreed. The only reason this is not overrun with spam and bots is because it is small.

    A possible solution could be reputation, but that gets dangerously close to Reddit Karma.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    Nah, bots can farm reputation better than humans can.

    The problem is that federation assumes good intent of the admins of other instances. If someone builds a network of instances intended to manipulate votes et cetera, I can't see how the fediverse could resist that.

    Instance A can't trust that votes from instance B are legit. As soon as there's no trust then federating even with an aparently trustworthy instance becomes too costly in terms of time and effort.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I think a some kind of Web of Trust would have to be implemented. Like with GPG decide which servers and users you trust.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    I don't know how that could work.

    At the server level we already have that - federating with a server includes that server in the web of trust.

    At the user level, how would new users become trusted? That seems unachievable given how difficult it is to attract users just in general without something like that. I've been on the fediverse for years but I don't know any other users that would "trust" me.

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  • [–] 58 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    So they're destroying the 'social' feature of their social media. Interesting choice.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    It stopped being social media a long time ago. It’s been addiction media since a long time. I used to call it consumption media. But addiction media is more accurate.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 weeks ago* (9 children)

    I wish activist organizations would stop making Instagram their primary/sole updates platform and have more sane communication options that aren't crazy addictive and centralized (for which there are quite a few options). Encouraging more people onto Instagram is counterintuitive

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    That's where people are these days, unfortunately.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Guess some people don't like hearing the truth. Maybe if they post to peer tube instead they can get 5 views and maybe even a like.

    We have to be able to meet people where they are, wherever they might be.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    That's assuming that they stumble on it. If all of those members know where to go, they will probably use an alternative platform. After all we all heard of a better option to redit and here we are

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    But how many people actually left Reddit to go here versus how many are still there?

    Lemmy underestimate the vile power of network effect.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    That's a good point. It should really be a two-pronged approach. One is setting up and maintaining an alternative to the mainstream social media sites, while the other is out in the muck trying to inform people and let them know where to go.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    They did the same thing to Lula right before the Brazilian election, so what's to stop them from doing it domestically?

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  • [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Hey guys, I had an idea that maybe the richest people in the world are buying up all the media so that they can control and censor public discourse and anything they disagree with.

    I know it's a bit out there, and I can't prove it, but it's just this crazy thought I had!

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  • [–] 104 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    every time the Americans go ‘oh shit I think we’re obviously living in a fascist regime!’ they forget about it within a week, this is like the 8th time in the last 2 years that this headline has run.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Don’t you DARE suggest they get off their cowardly asses or they’ll start throwing MAGA-level language at you real fast

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    It's always the same responses:

    "Nothing can be done" (we tried nothing and are all out of ideas)

    "What are you doing about it?" (Can't somebody else do it? We welcome foreign interference!)

    And then endless excuses for why nothing will work so they won't even try.

    I've even seen the people giving these responses mock others for moving away from the US.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago*

    The downvotes on this post are hilarious. Just a bunch of the most pants-pissing white liberal cowards who keep telling themselves they're not part of the problem.

    Though I will ALSO mock Americans who would rather flee the country than stay and fight back.

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  • [–] 55 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    People need to understand that Zuch was in on this since at least Cambridge analyitca, he's one of the pioneers of modern misinformation warfare. Of all the guys in tech, only musk is more on Trump's side than Zuch. Actively the enemy.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    musk has twitter, and tesla which has a wider reach. zuck has russian disinformation backing to help with manipulating boomer and genx users.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You must be delusional if you think Musk has bigger reach than Zuckerberg. Facebook is used by everyone. Your grandparents are on it. It has 3 billion monthly active users. Twitter has 5 to 6 times less users than that sitting at 500-600 million. Meta also had Instagram which is also incredibly popular.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    And WhatsApp which provides businesses in the third world a platform to communicate internally and with customers. Besides being the most popular massenger. Took me years to get a majority of my friends and family to use Signal or Threema instead.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Fancy that!

    There's a reason Elon bought Twitter, and it wasn't just so he could wave his dick through the world's biggest megaphone.

    Bluesky will fall in line as well. You don't have platforms with hundreds of millions of users without big pockets, and if you've got big pockets it would seem the world is already working exactly the way you want it to.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    And none of you saw this coming? Really? State owned media news and "entertainment" outlets refusing to disparage the king?

    And STILL y'all use them - knowing full well that all your information is sold on the open market and all your secrets are no more?

    And then bitch about it. Fucking hell - America and the rest of the world devolves into dumb shits.

    If you don't want to be "cut off" by the people you're protesting against, DON'T USE THEIR MEDIA.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    Convenience is a hell of a drug. As soon as you ask someone to uproot their social media presence to the fediverse their eyes begin to glaze over. They don't understand it and want to be part of a giant and almost all-encompassing community which is not where we're currently at right now.

    It takes multiple instances of censorship, frustration, and offending the wrong bot to be forced out of their online shell and even then they might still go for the next corporate-owned social media because it's "easier" than understanding what federation means.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    Mastodon, Lemmy, Peertube..... Federation is the only real solution...

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    If you are fighting someone why the fuck would you use the platform of those you are fighting against?

    There are plenty of options that you can use which haven't been invaded by parasites.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    To reach the greatest number of people. In the fediverse you'd reach a dozen nerds at maximum, but everyone and their dog is still in Facebook and other corporate social media platforms

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    The Arab Spring was the "Facebook Revolution".

    One man's revolutionary is another man's terrorist.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    That maybe so but then why use a platform which is controlled by those that would classify you as a terrorist and can't block your actions against them?

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago

    Whenever they accuse the democrats of doing something, you can be certain it's what they want to do in the very near future.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Meta and X need to be banned from the EU.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Add Google, Amazon, and Apple to that and we might have a chance to start improving life in Europe.

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  • [–] 45 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    what the fuck are they expecting? The account against kings on the platform owned by wannbee kings? get your fucking shit together, open your eyes and FUCKING LEAVE!

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago

    I sure don't miss Meta's shitty products. I made the right move closing all of my accounts years ago.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago

    Can't spell metastasis without META: They are a cancer, delete your accounts today and stop letting them spread their sickness into you, your friends, or your family.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago

    Streisand Effect in effect.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Tell me we're not an oligarchy.

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  • These absolute dumb fucks shouldn't be using facebook or instagram to begin with.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago*

    Terrible headline. Implies that censorship isn’t happening, but we are on a slippery slope.

    It should “Awareness of big tech censorship grows after…”

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    The Alt-right and capitalism ladies & gentlemen! Hope it was worth it.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago*

    Remember how all the cons that thought "the Twitter files" were such a big deal and were constantly mewling about things like "Section 230"?

    And all because they were merely being mildly hemmed in on saying openly racist shit on a private platforms, spreading harmful conspiracy theories about a pandemic, and wanting a Russian psyop about a hard drive, oops, I mean, "laptop" spread far and wide on the same private platforms.

    Wonder where all these free speech maximalists are now?

    I submit that the conservatives have always been rather problematic in their mental state, but a few things definitely broke their brains: 1. A black man being elected twice, and generally well-regarded by most of America and the world. 2. Their Qanon bullshit stories did not result in Podesta, Clinton, Obama, etc., being arrested by donnie douchebag. 3. Covid. and finally, 4. Their J6 scheme failed

    By the time they hit 2021, their brains were so utterly broken. Claiming that "Big Tech" post Cambridge Analytica was "liberal", LOL. Quite the fucking take. And what conservatives have been the least bit cancelled? I still hear from all of these assholes all the time, way too much.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago

    “Fears”.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    So… fear of a thing that has always been happening grows? I didn’t know it’s possible.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    The fact that one of the most prominent anti-trump movements is run by such clueless people, gives me no optimism for amerikkka

    "omg, the guy sitting right behind the king on coronation day banned our content for criticizing the king!" (surprised pikachu face)

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Almost every prominent activist organization is like that too, like they'll constantly bring up how bad the current establishment is while exclusively using Instagram, Discord, and Slack for communication. The small anarchist organizations seem to be the only ones who know what they're doing tech-wise.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Tech literary is really lost in this generation. But I think we have to do better and teach them. It's not thaaat hard and as with everything there are layers how far you can go.

    There's a whole matrix of choices for apps, platforms etc. focusing on different usecases.

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