In many cases, yeah absolutely. In others, the crazy side is a lot more vocal so that's who the candidates cater too. Squeaky wheels and all that.

But my point stands, making demands only has a chance of accomplishing anything if you actually make them to the subject in question. Going to random forums, especially here, and making demands of politicians is silly at best, counterproductive at worst.

Nobody is defending Trump here

Bernie led that charge at the last minute, and it still ignored every other demand they had. Notably, the ones that would have made train derailments far less likely.

Yes, because the rich in the US know that, once people get it out of their system, they stop fighting. After all those protests, they still got to see Trump elected, both because the idiots voted for him and the DNC barreled on with Blue-no-matter-who(read: Ignore the will of the people and be complicit in your opponent’s win).

Protests need to come with SOME kind of consequences. The US does not practice consequences for the rich and powerful at nearly any level.

I think you missed my point. If you're afraid of the police, reform is not enough.

Because voters have figured out that voting doesn't fucking matter. Once you realize that a) the country has always been run by a single fascist bloc b) with multiple fascist factions fighting for control and c) fronted by two PR firms with subsidiary PR firms that drive psychological manipulation of voters into believing that d) this time it really is the most important election in history and e) voting will fix it and f) if you vote correctly then the fascists you put in power will stop being fascist and g) actually make structural change - once that becomes obvious, voting is just not something people are motivated to do. And to be clear even people like me who believe all those things vote in vast numbers because it is a ritualized symbol and it has implications in social situations and dynamics. And even still huge numbers of people just don't vote, which means massive numbers of people understand that the system is fully irredeemable.

LOL. You're fucking amazing. You came to the conclusion that voter turnout programs only exist because they want voters to vote for them but literally won't do anything that those voters want? That's your conclusion? You couldn't reason your way out of a paper bag. Which makes sense because you think an American who has been raised by Americans in America and consumed all the same anti-Russian propaganda you have consumed our whole lives is somehow having someone else's thoughts when they have thoughts that disagree with the propaganda you and I have both been raised on. You are doing the meme.

Well yeah, obviously bullies only bully the nerds because the Anti-Bully Club is so anti-bully. If the Anti-Bully Club just disbands instead of defending nerds, then the bullies will have no reason to keep bullying the nerds! Duhhh! (/s)

You'll never get good faith engagement with ml so all you can do is try to piss em off and waste their time.

This is what your commitment to your narrative has done to you. It has made you believe that there is a category of people who don't vote because that is what they prefer, and you're so committed that you are willing to make nonsense arguments that posit the existence of people who eat food but specifically will not and never will eat food if it's in a restaurant.

Nothing about your narrative is reasonable. Give people something they want and they will pursue it

People who don’t eat at restaurants at all are obviously not the same as people who don’t eat at a restaurant that doesn’t exist.

Legitimately don't understand this word salad.

You said you understood that concept but then spent the rest of your comment describing people who want to eat at restaurants.

Someone who doesn't currently eat at restaurants might start eating at them if the restaurants find a way to appeal to them. That's not a complicated concept.

If I'm vegan, and no restaurants in my area offer vegan options, then I am someone who doesn't eat at restaurants at all. If a restaurant opens up that does offer vegan options, or if an existing restaurant adds a vegan option, then I might start eating at restaurants. Do you not understand this concept?

Likewise, someone who doesn't vote might start voting if they're appealed to. This is equally uncomplicated.

How has the Democratic strategy of "at least we're not the other guy" been working?

Why do you need to be “more motivated” if you care about climate change so much, when the options couldn’t be more clear?

I don't know how I can possibly make this more simple. These people haven't been motivated enough to vote for your party before. You want them to be motivated to vote for your party in the future. Therefore, you need to find a way to make them more motivated to vote for you. That's why. This is not complicated.

You are just making excuses for apathy.

No, I'm simply shifting the focus to where it belongs.

There's a mismatch between what the party does and what the people want, and your solution involves trying to change what the millions of people want instead of changing the handful of people who determine party policy. Not only is that completely undemocratic, it's also completely impractical. Unless you have a magic wand you can wave that will turn millions of people into Lesser Evilists before you'll need their votes, you're gonna have to meet them where they're at and give them things they want. Which is exactly how any democratic system is supposed to work.

It's kind of amazing how entitled y'all are with your party. They're supposed to be "public servants." If a servant's employer tells them to clean something, does the servant say, "It's already clean enough, you need to learn to live with a little dust," or do they do the thing they're being fucking paid to do and clean it again, even if they think the request is stupid? The level of backtalk y'all give to the public is frankly unbelievable. You don't act like public servants, you act like public masters, like you're feudal lords who get to tell us what's going to happen and we're uppity rabble who needs to fall in line. You've got things completely upside down.