Most of the actual news about this project has already been covered elsewhere, so this is really just me indulging my love of strange physical gaming media and the wonderfully impractical things people come up with.

I've always been fascinated by oddities from gaming history, and the idea of someone getting Doom and Super Mario Bros. working with VHS tapes was far too interesting for me to ignore.

So here's a little/casual dive into GCVHS, the bizarre Action Max console from 1987, and why I think there's something super curious about people finding new uses for old technology. Sometimes I just like writing about things because they're weird :)

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[–] 41 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

For what it's worth the first computer I played on had games on cassette tapes

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    The important question is: did it support turbo or only the slow loading?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    What is turbo loading?

    I just had an idea what the old generations could have done to load games faster. If you buy multiple cassettes and readers, then connect them to master device (to start and stop with a single button), and load them all at once from different positions. Basically hardware level multi-threaded loading if you will. I mean cutting the loading in half would be a huuge improvement already. Would this have been possible?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    No idea if that was possible back then. My computer was only able to load from one cassette player. And it was slooow. Until my father (who was an electronics engineer) upgraded it somehow to support a turbo mode, it required pushing an additional button on the cassette player, and it just ran faster. The sound had a much higher pitch and the loading sometimes failed. But it was much faster.

    I also remember "copying the game" by typing the machine code printed in the magazine. Funny times.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Machine code or BASIC possibly? I remember PC magazines hat sometimes BASIC games printed. At that time I didn't own any sort of computer, so was always curious what that even was. I don't remember seeing any machine code, but at that time everything was BASIC for me.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    I think it was assembly, I am not sure what it was exactly (remember but 100% sure it wasn't basic, because I was also trying to learn Basic back then. I would have recognized it. I knew a few Basic commands, so naturally I tried to write my own operating system. Hey, I was a kid

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    You can play games on cassettes using MSX,

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    Commodore, Amiga, Atari, amstrad, specy, oliveti, dragon 32, Tandy. Just about any 8 bit computer other than Mac or IBM PC it was the standard. I think the apple II could, but it wasn't common.

    But I definitely remember being over at a friends. Letting the commodore load while we did something else for 5 to 10 minutes.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    My Atari used cassettes too. All things considered, I prefer NVMe drives and SSDs.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    You can have cassette images on your NVMe and SSD drives. :D In an emulator they load basically instantly (if the emulator supports such functionality to load them quickly). In example C64 cassettes load basically in an instant, instead 20 minutes.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago

    Commodore 64 had cassette games.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Lol, I love how some people are like: what if we make it worse?

    It does sound like a fun project though. 😛

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago

    strange physical media

    VHS

    dies inside

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I have yet to read the article. My first thought is, that we had videogames on tape already, like those audio tapes. Now I personally never interacted with such device, but my friend told me and off course I have emulation with dumps of games that were on tape. It's like having the game on disc, but loads extremely slow before game can be started.

    I will read the article and may or may not add more comments. Love these topics.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Ah, I see how this works in this tape system. I thought it would load everything into memory and then play it, like those old cassette tapes. But looks like its similar to those full motion CD and Laserdisc games... wait:

    with eight video streams running simultaneously on the tape

    Okay, this is intriguing! Sounds like a QuickTime event game.

    Rather than making the entire experience out of branching prerecorded scenes, the system uses imagery stored on the tape as a backdrop for gameplay generated by the external hardware.

    I imagine it plays out similar to how these LCD Game and Watch games are? But not able to move a character, I have no clue how this works.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Is it coded in Malbolge, though?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Hi! I believe you are the author of the blog? Thank you for this interesting article!

    It's off-topic, but you wrote under it that Google said that they were dismantling their search platform; what do you mean by that?

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    And sometimes the product in question involves the basic nuts and bolts of the internet itself. By which I mean: Google

    I know that mine is a minority opinion, but I need to voice my dissent here: all Google products could disappear from the interwebz right now and it wouldn't put a dent in my usage/habits.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    That's excellent! I'm with you and agree that we're the minority.

    The center point of dialogue on this topic isn't about Google specifically though. It's addressing the rug pull of the internet we were sold on while it was being built, and enshittification more generally. Not merely its possibility or even inevitability within capitalism but that the enshittification of everything is being normalized while the internet the public built is being stripped for parts by robber-barons.

    So much so that industries built around norms, and all of the labor and jobs within them, are being lost. Even setting ideals aside for a moment: the harm that brings to the lives of working class people is immense. A minor apocalypse with long-term consequences all for short-term gains for a scant few over a handful of financial quarters. The beast is eating itself in real-time.

    Even for those who champion it the reality of the situation is sour at best.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    The center point of dialogue on this topic isn’t about Google specifically though.

    You mean this post? Obviously not. Or the article quoted above? Reads like being very specifically about Google to me.

    the rug pull of the internet we were sold on while it was being built

    Honestly, this is gobbledigook for me. My internet is not being rugpulled, I was never sold it (apart from paying my ISP) and I was a small child without a computer when it was being built.

    industries built around norms

    Which are those exactly?

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    [–] [S] 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Most of the actual news about this project has already been covered elsewhere, so this is really just me indulging my love of strange physical gaming media and the wonderfully impractical things people come up with.

    I've always been fascinated by oddities from gaming history, and the idea of someone getting Doom and Super Mario Bros. working with VHS tapes was far too interesting for me to ignore.

    So here's a little/casual dive into GCVHS, the bizarre Action Max console from 1987, and why I think there's something super curious about people finding new uses for old technology. Sometimes I just like writing about things because they're weird :)

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    I haven't watched the YT yet, but interesting to read how they came up with an alternate way to 'play' the game. I expected a zx spectrum type setup where the data was loaded onto the hardware and played from there. That's some dedication/passion to effectively create a whole new system!

    P.s. Keep up with the weird, if we were all 'normal' life would be painfully dull!

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    VHS games is nothing new, like said on the post there where some VHS consoles in the past.

    Here's a video from Nostalgia Nerd showing some of the games and console. https://youtu.be/WI133HNGNfk

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  • [–] 41 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    In the Sinclair era we used cassettes instead of discs. It was shitty but cheap solution.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    The only question here is how many bytes per minute the VHS can hold. I’ve played several games in music cassette tapes. They played in normal speed and sounded like a modem after the handshake. IIRC, It took more than 20 minutes to load Hero and, sometimes, it didn’t work.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    So the VHS version of DOOM is something like Dragon's Lair, but way more seamless. That's amazing.

    It's almost nothing like using a cassette drive to store your BASIC game code.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago*

    My first video game (Zaxxon) was on a cassette tape, before VHS (early 80s). Each time we wanted to start a gaming session, we had to download the game from a shoebox cassette player to the CoCo 2 computer, and it took 2 or 3 minutes.

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    I had a TI-99/4A and backed up games that in input manually from a magazine, on to a cassette tape. My tape recorder had a counter so that you could put multiple programs on a single tape. The fun part was if you forgot to reset the counter or the tape wasn’t rewound to zero you could get half of one program plus half of another.

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    This was already a thing. There was a Captain Power set of VHS tapes that had VFX patterns that works with a toy with IR sensors and interacts with the toy.

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    Bang! Yeehaw!

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    [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Long and frequent load screens

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I instantly knew it was Throaty Mumbo, his channel is full of neat stuff like this

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Yes. Just can't mention what all of involved with his projects. Why can't we just have fun things once in a while. The hive mind would collectively have a conniption fit if they heard those two letters.

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