I choose to believe you are Renault's corporate personhood! (obviously you're not)

Also you'd be surprised how much weight 'made in europe' carries still.

Yeah I know and that's exactly why it was good, because the elise already had an incredible sports car chassis.

The EV3 seems like a fine commuter but is certainly not a sports car in weight, shape, chassis, or suspension. It's just another compact crossover, seemingly a good one, but not really what I'm talking about. In the US the closest thing is probably the Mini Cooper SE, but it's still heavier and less powerful than the original roadster.

Imagine if Mazda made an mx-5 EV or Toyota made an 86 EV.

The “biggest decrease of value” assumes that, to you, the value of the car is determined by what you could sell it for. But that’s not the case. To you, the value of the car is what you spent on it. You then amortize that value of the car over the years you operate it.

This. I just was able to buy my first ever "new" new car after years of every "new" car being at minimum 10 years old. I've got an '06 Forester with nearly 200k miles on it, and I'm hoping this new one will last as long (but I kind of doubt it).

Regardless, I'm not leasing, not planning on selling in 5 years. To me, the peace of mind of a new car warranty is worth it and it gets way better mileage than the old Forester.

Yeah, the mark down on used cars in the US now just isn't worth it. I looked at cars recently and a 2 year old car with 45k+ miles was like 4k below sticker for a new one across the street. And you didn't get to pick your color or add accessories you took what they had.

You used to save 30% plus. You still can on lease returns sometimes and the warranty should continue until the mileage or time runs out.

There are still some deals out there, but yeah a 1 year old car is going to be either too expensive or risky for mechanical or some other weird reason.

You'll save a lot more on EVs - https://autos.yahoo.com/ev-and-future-tech/articles/aaa-ran-evs-hybrids-gas-191800888.html

OK non-boomer

The interior design is rather bland or let's say functional, but I think the exterior looks great. It is not crazy like some of the French trams of the "Flexity"-family but quite elegant I think.

A lot of systems get federal money, or did.

Well, if Hyundai, Kia, VW, Renault and others can compete on reasonably priced compact cars, Tesla should be able to do so too. They do not only produce in the US after all. If they can't that would be just an admission that their future is that of a niche highend producer. But for that, they are a bit too cheap on the inside.

If we’re talking about “society” then the way forward is to get rid of cars almost entirely and have extremely robust public transport. Not make new cars.

They keep teasing it over and over. AGH. It kills me! Like every year a new bunch of articles pop up to generate clicks. I can never tell when it's real! Lol

And I thought I was CRAZY for thinking "Could I EV convert it?" (Could fix stuff with YouTube. Not a mechanic.)

Well, now I see converting cars becoming a big thing. But sadly I screwed up the whole engine by snapping a 10mm gooseneck bolt deep in some crevice deep down in there, and it was leaking oil, and I had to sell it for scrap because we needed to get to work. Tragic. I got almost 200,000 miles out of it. :( :(

...at least now I know how a new very simple way to sabotage a vehicle hardcore in a way no mechanic or machinist would dare bother with it. (Ask me how I know Lol)

Maybe that Element EV will be a thing. I know EVs like to chase high efficiency / low drag but they need to not be afraid to be boxy for the right audience instead of jelly beans! XD

That's fair, my tire settings need reset a few times per year. I don't have the ac problem, but the sound for the speakers doesn't work maybe once a month for some reason. Like I said, definitely quirks, but much better than my experience with the kia.

The things I don't like on the kia are deliberate design decisions (or perhaps wild after thoughts in design) that I have to deal with every single time I drive it. I don't know if I've ever had the level of disdain for a vehicle ever. In fairness, there is a lot to like, but I feel like it's definitely vehicle for people who either don't like driving, are passive drivers and indifferent to the vehicle or both.