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[–] 65 points 3 weeks ago (24 children)

Indeed. Never leave your kid alone with a priest. I was that kid.

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  • [–] [S] 25 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

    I'm sure there are some preists who are good people, but enough of them are predators that it ain't worth the risk

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    The position just attracts too many pedos to give any one of them the benefit of the doubt

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    How do you even apply for a job like that? If it’s like any other interview, surely there’s some sort of psychological assessment or a background check. Maybe you just need to wear a fanatic facade, and you’re hired… I just have no idea how Catholics roll.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Basically, you need to go to Catholic university to get a degree in theology. There is a while process of attending courses and getting additional qualifications to get higher ranks. Freemasonry was partly modelled on this.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Most priests aren't paedophiles.

    The problem is that the hierarchy actively protects and covers up those who are, to the extent of moving them to different parishes if people get suspicious. And to be clear, this isn't because popes are necessarily in favour of paedophilia (though I'm not saying none are...), it's because the clergy are more concerned with the prestige and survival of the institution than they are with the well-being of lay believers.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    It's been a trope since at least the 1500s that clergy are pedos, "Julius Excluded from Heaven" by Erasmus contains this exchange between Saint Peter and the recently deceased pope Julius:

    PETER: [... ] I hope it won't be too tiresome for you to answer a few clumsy questions about the details. Who, for example, are these little curly-headed striplings? JULIUS: I brought them up for my diversion.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20090326073147/www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/lansing/classes/hist4b/materials/Week7.pdf

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Yes but statistics indicate priests are not more likely to be pedophiles than any other profession that works regularly with children.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The problem with the catholic church isn't just that a lot of preists are predators, it's that the church covered up these crimes and moved preists to new places where they could continue being predators

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    I'm so sorry, and I hope that you're okay now.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    It's been over four decades. I think healing started this year when I was able to finally put it into words.

    The secondary abuse from everyone else protecting the predators and blaming the victim also leaves deep scars. The Epstein stuff made me realize how extensive that network really is.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Victim blaming is some fucking shit.

    My partner's ex abused his little sister for years when they were young (when my partner found out she divorced him). His family ostracized her for making the family look bad.

    I'm so glad that you're finally able to start healing, comrade.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    husband family disowned her? or her own family. i think that family was complicit and knew about the abuse.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The son abused his little sister for years.

    The family of the children (including grandparents and uncles and aunts and cousins) disowned the sister for making the family look bad.

    One cousin cut the family off afterwards because of the injustice, and still maintains contact with the abused woman.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    At least a slither of a silver-lining for the poor sister that got abused. The cousin made an honourable decision; I guess that the cousin realised that if the family was of that calibre, that she'd be better off without them, and I applaud their rationale.

    Even though they both made the best decision from shitty circumstances, life will be hard for them both, without family. At least they're now free of that vile bunch.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Not a priest, but a southern baptist youth minister, I was also that kid.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I don't know anybody, myself included certainly, who doesn't have a story about a youth pastor.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    When I hear pastor, I can't help but think of pasture, as in "put out to pasture". It's a lot harder to molest vunerable people if they're without an misleading image to hide behind.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
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    Definitely sexual abuse is not limited to Catholicism, they just had an extraordinarily structured operation of it that was understood and tolerated at the highest levels. It was a system, not a pattern of instances. That’s why they’re irrevocably associated with this.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Recently had to file a report at a state-run insurance and they have a dedicated button on their webpage for "sexualized violence in churches".

    I do wonder, is it the churches themselves that are insured that way? Because surely the victims get paid from the lawsuit, not from insurance.

    But either way, that is fucking harrowing that they have a dedicated button for it.

    I get that it's probably just a matter of "we offer insurance for this, so we'll have a button for it". But even that someone in a government-near position decided "kids get raped in churches so often, and we expect more cases to happen or be uncovered, so we should add an insurance for that to our portfolio", that concept just does not fit into my brain.

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  • Former insurance agent here (personal lines, so I never dealt with churches, but still)

    They almost certainly are. Liability insurance usually excludes intentional harm (including sexual assault of any kind), however there are usually ways to acquire coverage for those intentional actions. On a personal level, umbrella coverage will provide it.

    They likely don't sell specific "Pastor sexually abusing a child coverage", that button is more there for the victims/their parents to have an easier time filing a claim. Helpful, but depressing.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Any place where individuals hold a position of trust and authority is going to attract all kinds of abusers.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago

    Kids have a blast at drag shows.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Oh, really?

    •music too loud

    •choke on rhinestone that flew off during dancing

    •crushed between two sweaty drag queens

    •drugs sometimes

    Oh, wait, you said safer. Yeah.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago
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    Well if dragshows were populated by powerful people getting heaps of tax free dollars and an opaque system that hides any accountability then kids would no longer be safe there.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    Genuinely one of the kindest gentlest most wholesome environments I've been in.

    Not that my experience is super broad or representative, but, maybe because there's so much misunderstanding, they're particularly patient and warm.

    Would definitely bring my kid to a drag show before leaving him alone with a priest.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Not to mention that no one brings their kids to drag shows. But everyone takes their kid to church, and a lot of churches even have daycares attached where you can leave them all day.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Drag performers sometimes do child friendly events such as story time, but there's nothing sexual about those events. In fact, it's no question why kids would be drawn to being read stories by someone in a whimsical costume.

    Fwiw, even burlesque performers sometimes do family friendly events (for obvious reason they do an outfit change rather than a strip tease). Anyone who does adult shows is very aware of the line between family friendly and not, and likely knows the local blue laws better than anyone else

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Yeah like there are definitely some drag shows you shouldn't take your kids to but there's also movies and concerts you shouldn't take your kids to. There's even kids horror movies vs the obvious r rated adult stuff. If they're old enough to know boys and girls are different they're old enough to understand that sometimes people do other shit for fun the same as they're able to watch fucking Casper and experiment with the idea of death. It's just a fucking genre.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Yes, I know.

    However, I would prefer them to be at drag story time.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    maybe not a maga drag/ conservative dragqueen, these do exist.

    i think evangelicals, and probably mormon churchs hides more pedophelia, SA.

    better of with MS rachel.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Because there's no pretender in drag show.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Welcome to the mids 2010s, may I take your coat? This was a very common thing to say, down to the word, and was posted everywhere for years since that was the peak of when the American right-wingers had temper tantrums over kids being around lgbtq+ people (mainly drag shows etc.).
    This isn't a shower thought, it's just a popular opinion.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    In other news, water is wet.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    Words of wisdom, Lloyd. Words of wisdom.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    Sprinkler thought, this is a no-brainer

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Catholics are a pain in the ass... they got a magga cult (low key unnoticed lil cival war) but these evangicals are the issue. libturd as the catholics may be they are nothing like these evengicals... there are exceptions.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago*

    To be fair.... Catholics, the followers are not throwing their children to the pedophiles but the catholic church is a corporation... and capitalism sucks ass

    God is dead but i wish it wasn't

    I fucking hate religion

    But can we have order in union with the natural world

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Your opinions are a box. They put us there and they make us stand in their shaddow of their ambition which is their self imposed flagellation. Yes big daddy. It is all just one big Kink. Just monkey shit dude. Stupid shit all day every day.. this world is dumb

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    I mean they are so big you can't ignore them.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    What do you all think happens at Catholic mass these days? It's been about 10 years since I've gone myself, but when I was a kid I just sat next to my parents for an hour, went through the service, and left after.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    They're not in much danger during a church service, but they're in danger when left alone with a preist

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Most priest's are required by law in Australia to be cleared by police and any church workers or volunteers are required by law to report anything suspicious. Training in identification of bad behaviours is also required

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Maybe. Im betting not if you are talking per child hour of prescence. I mean if one thing happens to a kid at a drag show its going to blow the percentage off the roof.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago

    that's a really hot take

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago

    This is quite the take

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