Studies on obedience (e.g. replications of Milgrim Experiment) suggest a lot of factors play into people harming and killing others on behalf of an authority. Original was 65% of participants, but it can to up to 90% with men in authoritarian cultures.

My favorite was Australian women having the lowest rate of obedience in the shock experiment, at only 16%, being relatively individualistic and rebellious culturally, but even less obedient then men as women are less likely to conform when it involves harming others. That may have changed in recent years though, as people more comfortable with authoritarianism tend to be more likely to obey.

Typically, people least likely to obey the order have better social intelligence and moral development. Unfortunately, those traits are far and few between lately...

Only 13 million? I think that severely limits his responsibility. Hitler didn't cause just 13 million deaths. Hitler caused 13 million jews to be killed + 65 million allies + ~44k in the blitzkreig + ~5 million german soldiers + all the other groups targeted in the holocaust (Roma, Gypsies, LGBT, mental patients, etc.) + all the civilians that got caught up in the battlefield (Africa + Europe). In total, Hitler mighta got 100 million.

I have always wondered about this sort of thing. Powerful people are only powerful because people choose to obey them.

The only difference between Osama Bin Laden and Brian Thompson, is that Brian got people killed for money.

And the person he killed? The most evil person ever: Hitler!

He was a soldier in the Great War, but I see your point.

Indeed and the MAGA fucknuts would do the same for Mango Mussolini.

I think Hitler is said to have killed people in the first world war.

Enablers must die

The point still stands, but did Hitler never kill even one person with his own two hands? Did he not find the time to go down to a camp and kill a few innocents himself? Seems like a thing would be bound to happen.

You know it's a bad idea when it's the military strategy to build obedient soldiers

We should give Hitler a posthumous peace prize for killing the leader of the Nazis. Maybe that could inspire a certain fat orange pedophile to follow suit.

This also applies to everyone in tech blindly contributing to the AI bubble and the rise in fascism

"They only followed orders" is the most fucking stupid way to defend the oppressor, yet it works, because people have no balls to stand for themselves in such situations.

Does Hitler killing himself not count?

Dr Harold Shipman has entered the chat.

Goons are the ones doing it and had their chance to get out and choose to keep going. Spare no goons.

As long as conservatives continue to live, the normal people will continue to be oppressed.

If not for conservatives, the epstein class could be charged with crimes, forced to pay fair wages and be required to pay fair taxes. If not for conservatives, capitalism could be regulated, climate change could be addressed, housing prices and wealth inequality could be cured, for-profit prison camps could be abolished and genocide could be resisted.

Every invasion and every genocide in human history has been led exclusively by conservatives. They are truly, deeply evil and will never change. Never. Only their complete erasure can bring us peace.

This isn't even a cop thing, though I have no doubt the rate would be higher if empirically tested; cops tend to be very Conventional Morality in the sense that If Legal -> Moral.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

TL;DR: 65% of people would kill someone if given an order to do so (and some plausible deniability).

My money's on it being 70-80% for US cops, maybe higher. My only real metric on this is the one guy I knew who made an arrest he was ordered to that he (should have) known wasn't legal and shrugged his shoulders about retelling the incident, saying "I'm a soldier (he was an Army veteran); I follow orders."