Small EVs and efficient people carriers update familiar names for the modern age.

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[–] 40 points 3 weeks ago

Fully electric, and affordable, so of course Americans aren't allowed to have them.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's freedom! We're free to not be permitted to buy certain car brands.

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  • [–] 142 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

    Made for the civilized streets of Europe, not the kill-or-be-killed Mad Max hellscape of the the automotive United States.

    Edit: Are we making an exception for Rome?

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    Even if they could have them, they wouldn’t want them. My family has a small EV and we love it, but 80% of cars sold in the US are SUVs and trucks. The Ford Motor Company does not even make a passenger car anymore (with the small exception of the Mustang, a muscle car they sell in small numbers).

    It’s sad.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    When the smart car was released in the USA there was a 1 year waiting list because so many people wanted a cheap $7,000 car that they sold out everywhere. Then they stopped making small economy cars and forced the SUV down our throats.

    People absolutely would buy a cheap economy car in the USA. There is sky-high demand. It's just not fulfilled because our auto industry is a racket and they know that if only crazy expensive cars are sold in the USA people will have no choice but to buy them. Transportation is a need, not a luxury. It's like pricing water at $100 a bottle when everyone lives in the desert and your $100 water is the only water.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    That tells you a bit about how fantastically well the "Invisible Hand" is working, isn't it?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    See the problem is the invisible hand isn't what forced us to buy big cars. Auto regulations determining fuel economy by vehicle footprint is what killed small cars in general, including the smart car which is far too inefficient given it's footprint to be sold in the USA. Cars as small as the smart car would need 70+ mpg to be sold under current regulations, so instead manufacturers make larger vehicles to fit inside of the regs. There's a reason EVERY car model in the USA has only gotten larger every passing year, and it's not just cuz "durrrr merican need big car", although that is probably a good half of it.... Here's a random chart I found, not sure how accurate but u can search if your interested it's all public info.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    No, the regulations are not too strict for small cars, that is what the car industry wants you to think. The regulations for obese cars are far too weak and there is zero enforcement against commercially used car categories being sold for pure end consumer use.

    That is by design due to a breakdown of proper functioning of institutions and massive degradation of regulations by neglect and massive loophole exploitation, even widening those loopholes instead of closing them.

    That said, footprint based emission rules without strong safeguards are inherently flawed. There is a strong case against making emission standards relative to size for end consumer vehicles. A combined approach could work though, make footprint based emission a fix reqirement and then add meaningful cost to total emission, indepedendent of footprint. Exception for commercial vehicles are fine but only if commercial use is strictly enforced and not massively abused by actual end consumer use.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    CAFE regulations are based on vehclicle footprint as of 2012. That's why all the small trucks suddenly disappeared from the market that year. They had stricter fuel-economy standards than a sedan. The giant vehicles we're gettimg today is the result of regulations that make it easier to just keep making vehicles bigger than to make them more efficient.

    People will pay good money for a 15yo Ranger because you can't get an equivalent vehicle new. The marketing to make oversized cars trendy is to prevent competition for the new vehicles coming from the used market.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    I respect your optimism. Just because the Smart sold out doesn’t mean it sold a lot, though. It’s amazing in areas where parking is scarce. But outside of that, people love driving their tanks. Unfortunately, many of them buy tanks because they feel like you need a tank to be safe at this point, because of all the other tanks, and there is some evidence they are correct. I live in an area full of Escalades and jacked up Man Trucks.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Have they stopped making the Escord, Focus and Fiesta? Those have always been incredibly popular cars in Europe.

    But checking their website, I don't see any of them. Now it's the Puma, Kuga, Explorer, and apparently the Capri is back! Also an electric Mustang and the current van is called Tourneo. (And the Mustang is listed as an SUV.) (Maybe the Tourneo is an "SUV inspired car", but there seem to be two completely different cars with that name.)

    But Ford sells completely different cars in Europe than in the US. That's why they're the one American car company that's very successful in Europe.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago*

    No one in the US makes those budget entry level cars anymore. No Honda Civic or Fit. No Nissan Versa. Certainly no Ford Escort or Fiesta. It’s just not a category any of the companies care about serving anymore. It used to be that companies would lose money on their entry level car to win your brand loyalty. Mose money on a Corolla so that someday you get even more back on a Lexus. But apparently ain’t nobody got time for that anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    As far as I know they stopped making the Fiesta a while ago, the Focus is still being offered in Europe. I think they might still sell the Ka in Brazil as a small car but obviously nowhere else.

    Yeah, the Capri is back in name only. Updated for the current market by being an electric SUV...

    Edit: just looked it up and not only does Ford not sell the Ka in Brazil anymore, they don't sell the Focus at all anymore. What a shame.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    And it is a sign that fuel is still too cheap in the US, even today, also, that people don't care about others, not even about the safety and life of others.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    The US is a big place with many responsible, caring people in it, so it can’t be characterized all in one stroke. But when this goes wrong, it goes really wrong.

    Many are actually allergic to the idea that they are even supposed to care about others. “I’m not my brother’s keeper” is a prominent attitude here.

    They see this as an impingement upon their freedom. Like having a deadbeat relative you’re stuck taking care of for the rest of your life. That kind of burden.

    They have some notion of family and community but it’s very local, and I mean just the people in their lives. Anything beyond that turns into 1984 for them. Not agreeing with them, mind you, just describing.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago

    I mean egoism of that kind is not limited to the US and to some extend also part if human nature but it is shocking indeed when not needlessly endangering the very life of others, ifte neighbours or schoolgirls and boys in the owwn neighbourhood us considered 1984 style oppression or infringement on freedom. As if if there was a freedom to harm others.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Isn't that always the case?

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  • [–] 37 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    You will drive your 15 liter Ford f150000 baby killer MAX-CAB(tm) big weiner edition and you will like it, mister!

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    You will drive your 15 liter

    Aaaaand you lost them

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  • [–] 46 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

    The E-T16 has 818 hp and torque vectoring.

    That car looks like it was taken from cyberpunk or something

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    i just want to see the hands of the person who designed that steering wheel

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Looks more Cyberpunk than the Cybertruck.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Why does a car need 805hp for public roads.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Does it need it? No. Do I want it? Yes.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    How do you know ramenshaman can't handle that much horsepower? Is it a lot? Yes. Is it ludicrous? Not really.

    Most importantly, it's computer controlled, being completely electric, so unless they really shit the bed on the software, it should be fine. Not like literal explosions and rotating mass controlled by software

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    For a second I thought this was a proper super hatchback but the pic with it next to people makes it look huge.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Those people are in the background though. If you go off the wheel size for scale and estimate it to be around 20", the car is only 2x the height of the wheels, so not that big. Something small like that would be amazing with 800HP.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    There are more than double the amount of car makers available to choose from in the EU vs the US, gas and electric.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Because were dozens of countries, not just 1.

    It has its backsides too ofc.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I’m not sure how the “multiple countries” has anything to do with the regulatory and economic entity that is the EU that also makes carve-outs to protect local manufacturers. The cars available are not just European makers that suddenly became available to everyone because of the EU, there are tons of cars from Korea, China, and the US as well that somone living in Europe has the option to buy.

    backsides? There is no perfect system.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Many countries had their own car brands because we're historically split up.

    We do integrate (other countries too) more and more now though, especially with the EU, but history changes slowly.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    I'm in the US, you can have any EV you want as long as it is a half baked crossover. What I really want is a maximally efficient low slung aerodynamic wagon.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    It's all fucking junk. Everybody here wants a giant tank, I hate it.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    There is a criminal lack of electric minivans on the market today,

    Yes please, we need more of these, especially with slid8ng passenger doors. I'm embracing my unc status and wanting a family car even before having my own family.

    I am convinced of the minivan (mini MPV) supremacy.

    Luckily (?) the country I'm living in there's a few options from Chinese brands but they all emulate the high end fridge on wheels vellfires or alphards.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I swear had I this exact 2cv when I was 5 years old! I wonder if they fixed the annoying whining.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    I honestly don't think most of the cooler looking ones will release at all; the 2cv maybe. I'd be surprised if, apart from the VAG cars, any of them came to Australia

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    It is a good thing that EU car makers are developing new models, but why do they have to be 'inspired' by decades old models in terms of looks?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    What's wrong with that? The essential thing is that those models are based on proper only electric platforms and not some max-compromise combined platform with ICE models.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I wholeheartedly agree that EVs should not be built as tanks. I just think that it's a bit lazy to rehash 50s or 80s design in order to make a car interesting. I know, in those times they were not designed in a wind tunnel, but c'mon.

    I have friends who drive an EV built by Dacia. It looks ugly, as all Dacias do, but at least it looks like a car from the 2020s. Or at least the 2010s...

    BTW, I am not dissing ugly cars. I drive a Korean car, so I do not care much for looks anyway. :-P

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Looking at these photos, all I can say is god I'm so sick and tired of modern vehicle interiors. I hate these flat, 1980s-style dashboards with nothing on them but vents, a steering wheel, and two giant touchscreens. They're Spartan as fuck and ugly as hell, yet they have the nerve to charge $60K+ for this crap. Whatever happened to proper interior design? I get that these are concept cars, but their interiors still look llke every modern car on the road.

    Vehicle interior design peaked in the late 2010s and it's only been downhill from there.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    The French have the best-looking Ev's by far

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  • [–] 47 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Ev's

    EVs. Save the apostrophes from over-harvesting.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    0 Days without Americans making everything about them

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (8 children)

    I mean... it's an American website, not surprising to have an American point of view. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Google is telling me that Lemmy was founded in the UK. And it's a decentralized federated service. How is it an American website?

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    He's referring to Ars Technica you box of rocks.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Oops, my bad. No need to be mean about it. It was an honest question.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    lmao I'm sorry. I tend to respond with the energy I've been given and this week Lemmy has been giving me lots of rude BS.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    I want the skinny 125 R15 tires and flip up side windows on the new 2CV!

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    They look cool but it would be nice to see more basic EVs. Most of these concepts will likely have steer and brake by wire, while fun to drive, but meaning repairing is where the money will be.

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