mine did, too, and downloaded a bunch of torrent movies
probably training its llm
mine did, too, and downloaded a bunch of torrent movies
probably training its llm
Wow! It's almost as though random household appliances shouldn't be connected to the internet
Everyday apliances being online is just insane to me.
I'm not opposed to the concept of smart appliances. Getting a phone notification when my load of laundry is done. Remotely starting the oven preheat. Having the humidifier interact with the thermostat automatically. Blinds that open on a schedule to gently wake you with natural light.
For the record, I don't have any of these things, but I like the ideas of them. It's the kind of stuff I was wide eyed and hopeful about as a sci fi loving kid.
The problem with ask these things is not the connectivity ideas, imho; it's pretty much capitalism. These things can't exist in a way that doesn't also spy on you, build a profile that knows you better than yourself, and sells every last morsel of information to not just the highest bidder, but every bidder.
And to be clear, I don't mean can't on a technical level.
Commercial products can't do this from a business case level. There are ways you can achieve this on a technical level, but it is very much DIY at this point. I hope to slowly implement this over the next while until I have a system that works for me, uses no cloud or corporate servers, and is possibly accessible from outside my home (that's a security challenge and I may not be up to it).
Why the fuck does a coffee machine need the internet.
To spy on everyone in your household and try to sell you more garbage coffee pods.
Watching porn. Griding those beans, hnnnfggh...🥵
What furries and smart coffee machines have in common; a love for beans. 🐾
So you can control it remotely, obviously. It's not like it's a new thing :P
This reminds me the tue smart tea kettle that required an always online connection to function, and became completely useless when the servers shut down.
Yes, it was a kettle. Yes, like the one you use for boiling water.
It had settings for certain types of tea that it didn't have on-device. And it didn't have a basic "just boil the water" function.
Sounds like a Juicero.
Oh gods, the Juicero. Yeah, it's of the same ilk. The "smart" trend of adding computers and network connections to things that literally never needed them.
Like the smart water bottle that reminded you about being thirsty and needing to drink.
IIRC the excuse for Juicero having internet access was to read QR codes on the fruit pouches that included the expiration date, and it would refuse to squeeze expired fruit. Because at it's heart, it was a screw press. A severely over-engineered screw press. Like Jurassic Park, they spared no expense.
Wasn't the Juicero also simply not strong enough to press actual fruit, so the bags were just... Bags of fruit juice? I remember seeing people buy one and just poking a hole for a straw like those lunch juice pockets.
Nomad said that most of the suspicious traffic didn’t escape the network.
Okay so it was just a bug that caused repeat/looping LAN traffic. This is sensationalized.
Why the fuck would you connect a coffee machine to the internet?
What advantage would you have? Anyway it requires a pod to be inserted manually, so it's not that you can operate remotely.
"But one day I could get a new setting for a new kind of recipe"
What kind of "recipe", it's just putting pressurized boiling water in a cup.
The only kind of update this machine will ever get is a DRM to block compatible/unofficial pods
BTW 10gb downloaded in 10 days is also not bad

I imagine one feature they could claim, would be pre-set coffee brew times that are sync'd up with internet time servers to ensure they're kept in alignment with DST, and so they don't 'drift'/need routine adjustments.
I could even imagine coffee machine makers purposely gibbling the clocks, to make them drift more, if they're not sync'd up. Sorta like removing granular feature-based screenlock times on a smart phone (eg don't sleep while streaming video), and replacing that functionality with a blanket "click this function to prevent your phone from sleeping while you look at it, don't worry, we won't record your face / send any of that data out to third parties, we swear!" to force people to use the face monitoring features.
They'll also prolly build in AI, so that you can speak to your coffee machine to operate it, and remove most of the buttons at some point. Then they'll need to constantly update the AI, because "Hackers have figured out how to make our coffee machines turn into super intelligent skynet terminators! OH NO!! Update immediately and buy our stock!!! DOOOM!!".
Okay but like that shouldn't use more than maybe a few MB per month with tons of metadata added in -- it's like it's uploading HD video at the rate mentioned in OP
Yeah, but you see, they're using the new "Rich Data" time messaging blocks, which include recordings of nearby audio. They need that data so that they can train their AI models on what a normal kitchen sounds like -- so that the AI coffee maker can then alert you or the proper authorities to things like break-ins, and mice, and spouses sneaking midnight snacks, and political wrongspeak, and fires, and earthquakes. That sort of thing.
"Nomad said that most of the suspicious traffic didn’t escape the network. He has a hypothesis that the unit was simply affected by a bug. Nomad said he has over 10 years of experience in IT and works as a Technical Field and Community Specialist at the 3D printer manufacturer Prusa."
Absolutely what I thought. I love how everyone assumed it was hacked... In the 20 years I have been at my job we have had a particular model of desk phone that it happened to twice and when it did it creates a network storm and tanks your entire network (at the time this company did not have proper vlans in place which would have mitigated the issue). You trace it to the device and reboot it and everything is fine again. The phones were still replaced just in case, but that was always one of the wilder ones here. My guess is this was something similar and since it's his older parents they probably didnt even notice the network being bogged down.
"After rebooting the device and reconnecting it to a segregated virtual LAN (VLAN), the issue did not reappear."
Why even bother? Is it actually required to have an internet connection? If so get rid of it, thats so dumb and intrusive... and if not just turn off wifi on it, why even leave it on at all.
I attended a talk by someone who hacked his ceiling fan. He discovered that the remote’s circuit board was so poorly done that every time you press a button, it sends out the signal 20 times. He was wondering why the batteries kept dying quickly on the remote, and that was why.
Tired of seeing this sensationalist X post reposted.
Keurig machines are everywhere. Has anyone verified this? Don't give x users this much attention. What kind of IT expert posts on X? Smart enough to know better, but supporting fascism nonetheless - worst of the worst.
Coffee machine uses 1,000GB of traffic in 10 days, leaves IT Pro shocked
yet there's nothing shocking about a coffee machine that needs to connect to the internet
IT pro shocked! Jfc what kind of society did we become? This is so embarrassing to read. Just the thought of humans ending up here. Something about an internet coffee machine malfunction.
It's all so ignorant and moronic.
Pod coffee machines are a businesses dream. Lock in the customers. And then don't care about the plastic and foil waste per cup you create in order to do this. No surprise if they do other bad things. Visiting friends and they show you their pod machine? Ask them what happens with the used pod? Do them a favour and tell them there is a better way. Such as coffee machines that you put beans in. No not Heinz baked beans you moron! Coffee beans that produce only bio degradable waste. And freshly ground tastes great. No chemicals added.
Wasting your internet is trivial compared to the landfill waste created.
I can see use cases that aren't just laziness but yeah it's mostly a bad idea
I mean, they make poor-tasting coffee. That seems like it's the worst thing of all.
When you roast and then grind coffee, it releases carbon dioxide. If you seal it up after processing, it will usually inflate a bag; that's why most coffee bags at the grocery store have that little one-way check valve in the bag itself.
The only way to keep coffee from offgassing is to let it go stale first. That's what they do to most coffee that used to come in metal cans. They have to do the same thing to the pods. At best, your coffee is pre-staled and only gets worse from there.
Then you have all the stupid non-recyclable waste. A plastic pod that gets boiling water run through it, I'm sure that it's leaching a fun mix of chemicals into your coffee. There is also a paper filter in there and a foil top. No way to recycle these things unless you separate all three parts and the plastic body weren't made of unrecyclable frankenplastic (aka #7).
Fuck those pods and any twat who is too lazy to make a damn cup of coffee without one. Get a cheap ceramic pourover and a box of #2 filters. Grind coffee, boil water. add grounds to filter, pour hot water. The only waste is a soft paper filter and some grounds, both of which can be easily composted if you like.
I'm lazy too. But my push-button espresso machine takes coffee beans instead of landfill. And has no paper filter. Only coffee grounds to go in the bio degradable waste.
Sure, a case for pods, is a seldom used machine in an unmanned hotel room. But that is better solved with sachets of instant coffee and a kettle. In someone's home, show visitors what a polluting jerk you are.
Anyone else remember the massive bot net that killed the internet in Europe and half the US doing a DDOS attack over a Minecraft server? Apparently it was mostly made of smart refrigerators, thermostats, and other appliances.
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if the idea is to command the machine to brew while you're stil in bed, bluetooth is enough connectivity, unless you live in a big house, but what i know, i use aeropress
How many times is this going to be posted? It’s it even a news article. It turned out to be nothing.
I assume most people browse all communities on Lemmy like I do since it's default. Everything gets posted to mulitple communities, it's just a thing. I see the most common stuff hit Lemmy like a dozen times.
Nothing particularly wrong with that, it's just how things work.
First time I'm seeing it.
Keurig
Oh for fucks sake, IMO people buying that shit are asking for it.
I completely stopped buying Pickwick tea because now they are owned by Keurig.
Something that is a bit cumbersome to find out because they have removed that fact yet another level from the Pickwick wikipedia page.
But Pickwick -> Douwe Egberts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickwick_(brand)
Douwe Egberts -> JDE Peet's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douwe_Egberts
JDE Peet's -> Keurig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDE_Peet's
It's well hidden, owner or parent isn't even stated on the Pickwick page anymore! You have to comb the text to find that! But I checked it out because my favorite tea was no longer available where I shop tea, and the closest alternative was Pickwick, but since Pickwick is now owned by Keurig, I refuse to buy that crap.
Be vigilant! Don't buy American, and don't buy from companies who's business model is to provide lesser products at higher prices. Keurig is both.
Use a damn French press.
It's not hard.
These stupid machines suck, make shit coffee, and surveil you.
People are so lazy
Tried a pod machine at work for a bit. It made warm, weak coffee.
I use a Bialetti Moka. Makes great coffee.
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