Gavin Newsom exemplifies what is wrong with the Democratic party.
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I am begging you to remember, '28 Democratic primary voters: If he does it to us, he'll do it to you.
Fuck you Gavin
I don't want a one time tax on billionaires.
I want an every year tax on billionaires.
I hear you, but don't let the lack of a perfect solution be the enemy of progress. A one-time tax would still (theoretically) do some good, and not harm anybody. So long as those funds are properly allocated.
Prop 40 has a loop hole where they can tax everyone on assets if ca needs to. I’m against taxing assets in general. Tax actual income 80% for all I care for billionaires but taxing assets is full of legal issues. Who says what something is worth?
security backed loans are not taxed as income, and largely how the class pays for things.
Good for them for figuring out how to gain the system. Eventually they have to pay those loans
Assets gains outpace interest rate on loan. They take out another securities backed loan to pay off first and pay for more stuff. They do this forever.
"Figuring out" how to game the system they rigged?
But yeah, you can't live long by eating your own shit. So eventually they will have pay, one way or another.
Don't care. They need to pay it.
better work on your gag reflexes folks, because they are going to ram this guy down our throats so hard in 2028
Maybe. He’s losing popularity in his home state though, and I wonder how attractive a candidate whose home state doesn’t like them will be at the national level.
Didn't stop Al Gore.
Former Vice President Al Gore. Gavin Newsom has never been VP with a President who’s not running again.
That looks like an advantage, given the track record for Al Gore and Walter Mondale. ETA: Ah geez, how did I forget Kamala Harris?
Al Gore literally had the presidency stolen from him by SCOTUS.
From Wikipedia:
An analysis of the NORC data by University of Pennsylvania researcher Steven F. Freeman and journalist Joel Bleifuss concluded that, no matter what standard is used, after a recount of all uncounted votes, Gore would have been the victor.
I can't blame Gore for unpopularity when he won the popular vote, and would have won the electoral vote had they just been allowed to actually count the votes fairly.
Or Harris
A dem not being popular in Tennessee is different from a dem not popular in CA.
Al Gore actually seemed really cool, though. I'm not sure I've ever heard a controversial opinion from Al Gore? EDIT: Found one, his wife supported music censorship for teens and he wholly supported her for it while working as a senator.
Al "Inviting Dee Snyder to testify will be a slam dunk for our pro-censorship position, there's no way that guy who's famous for being able to concisely convey resonating political statements in 5 minutes or less is articulate, what could possibly go wrong" Gore? God, I wasn't even alive for it and it still pisses me off that craven dick was chosen as candidate...
I mean, given his competition, it still blew my mind that the election was close enough to be stolen. That cycle was key to the development of my Theory of Widespread Stupidity.
Oh god, I love that series of hearings. My favorite is when Bob Denver showed up, told Al Gore he was full of shit to his face, then bounced because he had a meeting with NASA
On the bright side, he won't get elected in 2028 if they do that. On the down side, it'll mean handing MAGAts another victory.
Doubt it. They’ll try, but they want need to win if they want to keep their cushy jobs with their cushy taxpayer funded homes and healthcare, and it’s obvious as fuck the public tide is turning.
If Newsom wants to cling to his old-school anti progressive bullshit, he’s going to find that won’t work for long. People are getting angry enough to begin paying attention, and establishment dinosaurs will find they’re about to go extinct.
We’ve seen this trend before, and it’s obvious where this is going.
You still have a say in primaries. Ignoring them is what allows them to push their choice.
I've voted in every primary since I turned 18 in the year 2000 and this is still happening.
My ballot must be broken.
I do too and had some successes. Those elections are smaller so impact is bigger.
If you constantly losing either you hold an unpopular opinion and no one else around you agrees with you, or you hold a very popular opinion, but other people that hold it prefer to go on social media sites whine who gets elected instead of voting.
Progressives are done holding their nose to vote.
The DNC will call this bluff because they don't care if they lose.
Yes they do care. It may not have seemed like it thus far, but only because they thought they could ride it out. It’s becoming obvious they can’t as people become more angry. They want to keep their positions and their pay and their perks, and that’s all on the line if they lose the midterms.
There are only so many jobs on network television.
So supporting trump it is and always been then.
How you breath and walk at the same time is a miracle
Man, I so hope this kills his political aspirations dead.
He's the "Diet Republican" brand of Democrat (most Democrats are but especially him), and people have already shown repeatedly that they arent interested in that.
People who want a Republican will vote for the real thing. People who don't want a Republican will vote for someone else. He's pandering to a crowd that doesn't exist in any significant size.
He will be pushed hard by the DNC to avoid having a non-conservative as a presidential candidate.
This precisely, haven’t heard it described better.
The exact reason Trump is president and Democrats are floundering.
The fucked us w Bernie and lost the political capital and elections since.
Fuxk Newsome, every AIPAC backed candidate and establishment Democrats.
Go DemSoc or go the fuck home.
Oh look, Democrats have betrayed their own constituency again!?!
I, for one, am stunned
Who knew?!?
Newsom has shown, time and again, that he is a transphobic corporate shill. The real shocker would have been if he supported Prop 40.
"Runs counter to his own Democratic party..."
Reading is hard, huh?
Yeah, a lot of them suck, but generalizations suck too
Ha, yeah, I read it.
Just like eight Democrats "ran counter to their own Democratic party" with the last lame half-assed "attempt" to pass minimum wage.
No generalizations were made. The Democrats have betrayed their own constituents again. It's a statement of fact.
You know what sucks? When someone doesn't know what a "generalization" is.
... Continues to make generalizations. Says they're not making generalizations and builds apathy.
I think corporate dems and neo-libs suck too, but comments like yours add nothing.
What do you gain by being divisive?
What does anyone gain by being quiet? I'm not trying to be divisive. I do notice a large amount of people making these same generalizations though, and that builds apathy around voting time.
Libs this, Dems that, "they aren't leftists", "there are no leftists in the USA". It gets old. Besides, who am I dividing when these types are doing so much dividing on their own?
That was a productive response to my question without attributing negative aspects to the original comment/question, I appreciate that. I agree, silence doesn't help, but unity is also key. Counter points can me made while being constructive, as you've demonstrated.
You're right, I made a mean statement in my original reply.
I used to make more inclusive comments, but I've also received immediate negative feedback and it's made me jaded on politics discussions.
I appreciate your comments and I'll take time to recenter myself in future discussions.
“Runs counter to his own Democratic party…”
But they're not going to throw him out either, so... how about you work on those 1+1 skills.
Retirees are an important voting block and rightfully oppose any wealth tax that has a chance of affecting them.
100% they will make this shithead the next president.
They will run him, braindead liberals will simp for him, he will lose, and they will blame everyone who refused to vote for him.
Democrats will not run a viable candidate because the mask has come off. They'd rather lose and continue cosplaying as opposition than to win and be criticized, the money is coming to their pockets either way.
I won't vote for him
then go somewhere with ranked choice voting so you aren't throwing away your vote.
We are talking the federal election for president. There is no place where ranked choice exists for that election
I personally voted in the 2024 presidential election in Alaska And ranked 4 presidents for the instant runnoff election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Alaska
What if it's him or Don Jr.?
Then vote socialist.
Ahh yes, a third party with absolutely no support in the house. They'd get so much done, even in the 5% chance they actually get elected because the system is rigged for two parties.
Don't get me wrong. Would love a mamdani or even El sayed (sorry if it's misspelled, going off of memory) to be placed all over every part of our government. More AOC's and Sanders'. But we need to make the best short term option, not just help guarantee the win of the fascists by withholding votes or put them on a third party with no chance of winning. We're not ending this shit hole situation in a single election, so better to make progressive change than let the atrocities continue with full support from the entire government.
But we need to make the best short term option
This has been the argument for literally 30 years.
Yes, you're not fixing this in a single election. So giving up all power by agreeing to vote for a supposed "lesser evil" is giving up the future elections as well as this one - because the centrists don't even win.
The reason to vote socialist when you lose the primary is not that third parties will win - the system does give a massive advantage to D or R candidates. It's to record that the centrist Democrats left votes on the table, and exactly how many they did.
This has been the argument for literally 30 years.
Yes, I totally get this, but Harris would have been better than Trump. And if the public put the same effort and pressure on her that they're putting on trump, it might have actually made some difference. Everything is conjecture though, because it didn't happen that way.
I hope there's enough socialist party support in the 2028 primaries to make a difference. If there's a good candidate, and they get enough of the vote, I'll probably swing that way. Things are so bad right now, that it may end up swinging public sentiment enough.
And if the public put the same effort and pressure on her
How do you propose to put "effort and pressue" on elected officials if you're not even willing to deny them your vote?
Remember how everyone was talking about how they were going to push Biden left after 2020? It's nonsense - your leverage is greatest BEFORE someone is elected, not after.
Which is how we've gotten here. Hundreds of thousands of additional people projected to die because of policies enacted by the current administration (usaid), the absolute silence from trump and his goons on gaza (yes I know Harris also supports Israel, but she seemed like she'd at least attempt to listen to us, and isn't literally buddy buddy with bibi)
but she seemed like she'd at least attempt to listen to us
No, she didn't. Her own internal polling showed that her support for the Gaza genocide could lose her the election. . . .and she continued it.
The people involved basically asked her just to lie to them . . . not even to change policy, but pretend she would. That was too much. The only response was "I'm speaking"
Right now? I probably won't bother voting. If that day comes what would I really do? Couldn't say. I'm tired though. It's clear that all our problems come from wealth inequality, so if there are no candidates that take it seriously, then I don't really have a choice at all. It would probably come down to how federal workers are going to be treated, as there are federal workers in my family, and it's the thing that directly affects us the most.
Not American, but this fucker's a Democrat?
Wow, sorry guys, but you're fucked. You really do need to press reset and start again.
Democrats are still a right wing party like the UK Conservatives, or Australian Liberals. They only seem left leaning to GOP because they're even further right, more like UK Reform or Australian One Nation (basically the party that that all the bigots and racists support - in all those cases).
They don't have a centrist party let alone a left-leaning one
Democrats are spineless. They have ZERO spine and roll over to the trumpstein class at the earliest possible moment. Fuck the dems. Fuck the repubs
He's a California Democrat. In that state, the Republicans are remarkably liberal and the Democrats remarkably conservative.
This is what I keep trying to get across to people outside the US. It's not how you think it is.
I’m really hating this trend of passing laws to prevent any future regulations of things.
Like the 10 years “you can’t touch AI” with your laws proposal.
Liberal democracies exist to serve capital interests. This is why they fund the police state first and foremost, to protect private property over any other purpose. It's been this way for a long time, see 3/5ths compromise in the US constitution for one clear example.
In the UK constitution there are laws that state that no government may bind the hands of a future government and that a vote can always be superceded by another vote.
Does the US not have such laws?
That's very much an unwritten law, like much of the UK constitution. As a general rule every country that has a codified constitution has very much bound the hands of future governments, to a greater or lesser extent.
The UK constitution is written. It's just not in one document. In this case I think it comes from the civil war when the absolute powers of the crown were given to parliament.
Which is rather the point, there comes another act of parliament and more constitution is formed. What came before can't stop that process. Even with a codified Constitution like the US one, there's always a process of amendments which can change the previous versions. The fact that the US hasn't had an amendment in a very long time is just a lack of political will.
So I think my question is a reasonable one. The founding fathers felt that the constitution should always be able to be changed, so wouldn't state legislation also always be able to be modified by a future legislature?
The UK constitution is written...
Eh... yes and no. But we'll get to that.
To answer your question, there's a principle in legal philosophy called the rule of recognition, which, basically, describes how a court determines what the law is.
The US constitution is considered the highest law of the land, and describes the process by which legislation has to be passed (usually by simple majority vote) by Congress and the Senate and assented to by the President before it becomes statutory law. It also describes the process by which the constitution itself can be amended, which is a much more stringent process. Basically, an amendment must be proposed and than accepted by either a national convention (which has never even been tried) or by being passed by a 2/3 majority vote in both the Congress and the Senate. It then has to be ratified by at least 3/4 of the states. Further, it also contains some amendments that limit what statutory law can do.
So the rule of recognition in the US is, basically, is the law constitutional? Which is to say, is the legislation enacted according to the rules in the constitution, and not invalidated by any of limits set out in the constitution? And if the answer to that question is "no" then the court will disapply that law. If legislation was passed saying slavery is legal again then, in theory at least, the court would say "no, there is a constitutional amendment that says slavery can't be legal, this is not good law". The only way to override that would be to pass a new amendment to remove that amendment. And unless the new amendment is passed according to the rules laid out, the courts would not recognise it. So in this way, the US legislature has very much been bound.
The fundamental principle of UK's constitution, on the other hand, is that the King-in-Parliament has absolute sovereignty. Now, while this is certainly acknowledged in legislation and lots of court decisions, it isn't written down in the sense that there is a clear definition of what that means.
The rule of recognition is generally taken to be that an Act passed by Parliament and given royal assent is the law, no matter what it says, and is the highest form of law in the land. To see an example of how seriously that is taken, see the mess that is the Human Rights Act 1998 and its "declaration of incompatibility" apparatus, which exists because courts cannot disapply an Act of Parliament. (To be clear I'm in favour of the European Convention/Court of Human Rights, I just think the HRA is massive bodge (precisely because our constitution is the way it is).) To see an example of how flexible it can be when it comes to interpreting Acts of Parliament, see the Metric Martyrs case decision.
It is an open questions as to what extent, if any, Parliament can bind itself because it's unclear what a court would do if an Act of Parliament was given royal assent despite the fact a previous Act of Parliament technically says it shouldn't have done. And to avoid a constitutional crisis, Parliament, by convention, doesn't try.
Isn't that what a Constitution's for? A law that prevents other laws.
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