PizzaCake | Bluesky

TW: Sexual Assault

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Panel 1: White text on blood red background “TW: Sexual Assault”

Panel 2: A guy holds down a semi-conscious naked girl. Her eyes are closed and tear stained. Her mouth in an expression of pain. Around her are more reaching hands.

Jane Doe: This hurts….there’s too many people here…

I can’t breathe…

Panel 3: Beside the girl lays an empty liquor bottle and an empty pill bottle. Hands press down on her head and chest.

Jane Doe: I’ve got the spins

What’s happening

Who’s touching me?

I don’t want to do this anymore

Panel 4: A group of naked men laugh as they enjoy themselves

Jane Doe: I’m scared…

… if I say stop…

…will they get mad?

I can’t talk anyway…

Panel 5: Blood runs between her thighs. Her legs are bruised.

Jane Doe: Ow! Stop grabbing me!

I think I’m bleeding…

…I want to go home…

Just….gonna….shut….down….

Panel 6: The girl wraps her arms around her legs and closes her eyes as she listens to the barrage of insults, vitriol and victim blaming after coming out with what was done to her.

You can’t cry ‘rape’ whenever you regret sleeping with someone!!

Bitch

Maybe don’t hang out with guys!

Your fault for getting drunk!

Whore

You said yes at first! You can’t take it back!

Why didn’t you push them off?!

Slut

She just wants money!

Stop trying to ruin their lives!!

Attention seeker

Panel 7: “Why are they mad at me?”

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[–] 81 points 3 weeks ago

Some of the things I've seen people saying about Jane Doe are truly vile. The mental gymnastics people will go through in order to victim blame are disgusting. I especially cannot stand it when I see other women putting down survivors. I hope Jane Doe gets justice and the coverup has consequences.

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  • [–] 67 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I downloaded a photo of the Cornell 7 last night and Google Photos immediately removed it. It's still sitting in a folder but won't show up in Google Photos. I'm curious if anyone can reproduce this. The lengths they go to censor survivors and protect perpetrators is unacceptable.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago

    My screenshots get listed by Photos but not Downloads. I downloaded the Sun's group shot and screenshotted it with expected results, unable to reproduce (old S21 defaults, no Google backups).

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    That might also just be a bug.
    I've had issues with downloaded photos appearing in Google Photos before, usually based on download source. For example, downloading a picture via Termux would cause it to not get detected by Google Photos, however renaming the file in Google Files would solve this.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I saw only panel 1 (just the title in a box). I thought it was brilliant. Like, the first comment would be "that's not funny." and response would be "you are correct." then i realized there were more panels. either way it works.

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Sorry. Typically I post the 4 panel versions when artists do the combined uploads, but this one didn’t have that and I usually try to respect the medium and titles the artists give to their work. I thought about giving this one a couple different titles but ultimately settled on leaving the authors comment as is. As the content would be upsetting for many readers I decided to bury the main content in a spoiler warning to avoid a NSFW tag and respect the original post.

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  • [–] 179 points 3 weeks ago* (25 children)

    I am going to preemptively say that if you decide to comment and say anything remotely victim-blaming or stir up any drama against the artist or fellow community members, your comments will be removed, up to and including being banned.

    Please consider using the spoiler markdown if you feel the need to go into detail.

    Some title suggesting Trigger Warning (TW)<your experience>

    We are all adults here, and can objectively (AND RESPECTFULLY) have difficult conversations when needed. Not everyone has the same experiences, nor the same reactions, and their traumas are very real regardless of what you may see or know about them.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I think there needs to be a space between the 3 colons and "spoiler": https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html

    While it does seem to work either way on default LemmyUI, it might not work in some clients, including official Jerboa Android app.

    Without spaceBad text

    With spaceBad text

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  • [+] -28 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    You can't really say you want to encourage difficult conversations while at the same time threaten to just block and ban people. That's not having a conversation. That's just surrounding yourself with people who only share your opinion. Even if your opinion is probably the moral one.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Not every statement is valid as a discussion, imo. Victim-blaming does not seem like discussing anything, and feels to me like those statements about every opinion being valid and then trying to justify something wild. A bit like ‘scientists don't know everything, so my flat earth theory is also valid’

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  • [–] 52 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Believe it or not, yes I can, and I will. As for what I’ve seen so far, most all comments are in line with being both respectful and thoughtful. This is the type of discourse this topic deserves. There have been one or two comments that fell out of scope and they were dealt with accordingly. This is how moderation works.

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  • [+] -23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I'm sure it has been that way. You prefaced it with banning anyone who'd say otherwise.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago

    So, you’re saying you want to have an aggressive, screaming match focusing on blame-throwing towards victims instead? I mean, you do you, but I’m pretty sure you could just go to Xitter for that.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago

    If I said “This comic sucks, the linework is terrible” I have doubts the mods would come after me. The specific issue was “victim blaming”, and the mod was specific.

    It’s a bit like using slurs, or claiming the holocaust never happened. Such comments are wrong, never add to discussion, and usually come from someone that wants to see a reaction.

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  • [+] -27 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    I don't think that's a good way to proceed.

    You might be blaming victims of false allegations of rape with that, and trust me, I know well how it feels to be raped and to be a victim of false allegations, and both are equally horrible and damaging for anyone who has to live with them.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

    Please elaborate on what I said that falls under victim blaming?

    Edit: I want to make sure I’m clear: I am genuinely interested in what you have to say and I will listen.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Well.

    That's because most victims of false allegations have it nearly impossible to even report it. Let alone proving it, that's even harder.

    Now, most of persons (mostly women, because it's other story for men, we're considered the de facto criminals unless proven otherwise) that do false allegations, use these tactics: they give consent and after the act they revoke it and cry "rape", because they know they'll be automatically believed by most people. That's in part because of the "Women-are-wonderful" effect. And most of them do that because of two principal reasons: vengeance or free money (remember that there are programs to help people that suffer abuse, and they then abuse of them making false claims).

    Now, take into account that most people takes these things (like telling them not to destroy other people's live, or that they just want free money or attention, or that they can't regret afterwards and claim rape as if it were nothing) like rape-denialism and victim-blaming, and trust me, I know that's in part justified, I'm well aware of DARVO strategies that actual sexual abusers can make and that a lot of victims aren't heard because of that... But people who do false claims also use DARVO strategies, they're abusers too although of another type, not sexual, and not every time that someone claims to be abused it's true that they were abused.

    It's a hard situation without a clear solution, but this is won't help it to be better.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Imho false allegations should be punished the same as rape (only in cases when it can be proven without a shade of doubt that it was false and intentional). Not only because it ruins the life of the accused, but because it makes all cases of rape harder to prosecute. We should completely eliminate "she's making it up" from the equation.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    This is often why when I first hear an accusation of rape, My first thought is: “Well, shit. Someone’s life is ruined.” I don’t know who, immediately; the leaning is very much towards the accusation being correct. But I reserve full wrath of judgment until some circumstantial evidence can support it. Sadly, I know we usually won’t see 100% undeniable smoking gun evidence.

    We did in the case of Cornell, which made all controversy fucking disgusting.

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  • [+] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I hope these gang rapers get horribly raped to death themselves.

    Rape shouldn't be used as a punishment. This is directly supporting rape culture. Stop wishing rape on others.

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  • [–] 50 points 3 weeks ago* (12 children)

    Is Pizza Cake a controversial artist? Genuine question, because I personally haven’t seen any strips that would make me dislike her. But I also only see the ones that get upvoted on Lemmy.

    I guess there will be some chuds who dislike comics like this one, which clearly advocate for something. But that’s pretty standard chud behavior, not limited to any one specific artist.

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  • [–] 89 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    She got accused of misandry for a particular comic and then a lot of misogynists jumped on board. I don't think she's like the funniest ever, but definitely doesn't deserve as much hate as she gets IMO. Lemmy is better about her than reddit for sure.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (5 children)

    It's milquetoast pandering to help sell explicit stuff. No reason to hate, but I'm not a huge fan either.

    There are worse things in the world than being a little bland.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (4 children)

    Does the artist do porn commissions or something? I haven’t seen any comics from them that were more explicit than every other webcomic ever made.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I recently realized she has an only fans, not for porn comics but for regular porn featuring herself. It's as milquetoast as her comics I guess.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    If school teachers have to resort to onlyfans for income, why not comic creators.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    If school teachers have to resort to onlyfans for income

    Well that's sad. Why can't a professional just live from their profession ?

    why not comic creators

    To be perfectly clear i'm not blaming pizzacake for this situation. I understand that, as a person who can command a significant amount of traffic, and as a woman, this is probably the best monetized use of her time. It's still weird and kind of depressing to me. What if you are a great comics artist but you happen to care about your intimacy and not want to share it ? Guess you're fucked. As a woman you don't get to just do your job and get compensated for it, you also have to show le titties.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    Well that's sad. Why can't a professional just live from their profession ?

    Literally capitalism. So the wealthy can exploit and take more from us while not being held accountable.

    And it shouldn't be lost on us that those who are often at the top and avoid accountability are most often men, white, and conservative. Go figure.

    It's still weird and kind of depressing to me. What if you are a great comics artist but you happen to care about your intimacy and not want to share it ? Guess you're fucked. As a woman you don't get to just do your job and get compensated for it, you also have to show le titties.

    Yes, it is depressing. But also strength at the same time to continue to make these comics that challenge people's world view. Art shouldn't be comfortable, it should say something. But those in power don't like being uncomfortable. Nor do reactionary conservatives. It's icky to confront feelings and the fact that they might be bad people. So, instead, attack and victim blame. Darvo, avoid accountability at all costs as it would result in personal loss otherwise. And that's how we get back to neoliberal capitalism. Lack of empathy, exploitation, refusing accountability. All taught and rewarded by society as it results in better profits.

    Meanwhile, those with principles and/or those not on top must do what they can to survive. A noble goal like teaching? Defunded, an educated proletariat is something to fear. So, yes, just as someone forced into starvation makes a choice to steal to survive, a woman forced into a situation such as predatory debt in a capitalist society may make the decision to do something like onlyfans. Not because she wants to, just like the thief, but because it's survival. We linked our human survival to capital, why should any of us be surprised when we make choices to survive?

    That's the depressing part. Society is built that way, built on exploitation, built to extract and pushes many of us to the brink. Better that then allowing us the time to better ourselves, better our health, better our education. Because then we would have better access to the time and tools necessary to disrupt those at the top and finally hold them accountable for the violence they commit on us everyday.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)
  • [–] 57 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    They still show up here my friend

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Report them, block them.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Cant report the downvote trolls that never comment or post

    Ask me how I know

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Voting is public in the fediverse so you can at least see who the trolls are.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Preaching to the choir. Let me know when an admin cares about vote manipulation. The 3 I've messaged don't respond.

    My message to demigodrick

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 3 weeks ago

    Just saying, if it happens in this comm, let me know. Prior to becoming a mod here, I’ve seen it happen in this com, and I’ve seen it happen in other coms I don’t mod. Absolutely report that kind of thing. Just remember that people got personal lives going on just like you, so reports aren’t always seen in a timely manner. Some issues, people like myself like to research and verify before taking action when it’s not 100% clear. But yeah while votes mean nothing here in Lemmy I do prefer to stomp out vote manipulation alt accounts when possible.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (22 children)

    Victim blaming. I have seen it happening.

    SA warning
    It was "but they were both on drugs" and "but they were in a relationship".
    Often from women.

    Then there's the cherrypicking; one allegation was rape, the other that the guy was grooming her because he was much older than her. People got hung up on the age difference as something that shouldn't be an issue, and ignored the much bigger issue: "what, now I can't try to pick up young women anymore? You're creating an athmosphere of fear and prosecution!" - No dipshit, you just can't rape them.
    The same applies to the person who stands with the victim (that was me): "but I've seen you flirting with younger women too! Don't be so sanctimonious!"

    Frankly, just trying to support her was a horrible experience. Can't imagine how it must have felt for her. So brave to come forward.
    But I wouldn't miss this experience for the world.
    I hope you're doing OK.

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  • [–] 38 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

    Even years later, when I tell my story I get victim blaming comments, even from people I otherwise trusted. I no longer bring it up outside of with other women I feel safe with.

    CW: SA"You can't just take back your consent."

    I didn't. I said stop, they didn't, because finishing was more important than my comfort. Consent can be retracted at any time. Stop means stop, and no means no.

    "Did you even defend yourself?"

    He was bigger, stronger, and had already ignored my "stop" and my "no." I was scared and I shut down.

    The person who assaulted me never faced any consequences. I still freeze up during intimacy. I hope Jane Doe gets justice and closure.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago*

    Thanks for sharing.

    Re your first quote:

    I wish (these) men would talk about their sexuality a bit more openly. The need for relief. The still widespread tabooing of masturbation, esp. when a woman is present. I believe it would help them understand that what they're doing is wrong - while relief is still possible.

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  • [+] -3 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)
  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    The issue with the Cornell case is that anything she said no to was respected (at least from the documents I have seen)

    Why did she keep having to say 'no' over and over again then?

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  • [–] -3 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    They were different acts you do understand that consent is not an umbrella policy right?

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    It’s clear you have a fuzzy understanding of consent, I don’t need lessons from someone who wouldn’t stop sex when a partner says they want to stop.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Taking words out of context to feign moral outrage when you don’t have any logical paths left 🥱

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    Good thing nothing is really hidden on Lemmy and everyone can see your comment that prioritizes a man’s orgasm over his partner wanting sex to stop.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Its a hypothetical about consent in a discussion on consent. You could gender flip it and it would still be consent.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    It would still be fucked up if a woman heard her partner ask to stop sex and she asked if she could keep going in order to cum.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Perfectly valid take. I agree with you. My point was not about the morality of it at all, it was about the consent part.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    The request to keep going after someone has asked to stop sex being treated as normal or acceptable is something I cannot abide without pushing back.

    Consent under coercion is not consent.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Sure you can say it’s not acceptable, it’s just not rape.

    If we extrapolated every purchase you made would be a robbery. Every task you don’t like doing at work would be slavery. Every time you visit your in laws house but didn’t want to would be kidnapping. You’re equating things in a way that minimizes survivors experiences.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Wait. You genuinely believe there are women somewhere who would consent to a conga line of unknown guys just having their way with them while passed out?

    That is absolutely not a thing.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 weeks ago

    She wasn’t passed out? They were all doing ketamine off each other? She was standing around the room showing off her muscles? Do I believe there are women who consent to group sex? Absolutely.

    At least some people here will stand on the facts and still say it was rape for whatever reason but when you have to make things up it kind of shows that you don’t have much faith in what you’re arguing for.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    If you had said “no stop I’m not feeling it” and he said “ugh I’m close can I finish?”

    I can't stop re-reading this, jesus fucking christ.

    A woman says "No stop" and you don't immediately fucking stop? What the fuck?

    What the fuck?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    If you had said “no stop I’m not feeling it” and he said “ugh I’m close can I finish?” and you said “okay finish quick” then your consent would have been back being given.

    This is coercion. You don't get to push back on someone saying "stop". That's fucked up.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    It is quite interesting how women often are the first in line to victim-blame in such situations. Almost like they feel discomforted by someone who had the courage to come forward.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    No panels, at least on Piefed. Only one image with the text “TW: Sexual assault” in the center.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm on piefed. The comic is under a TW in the post body

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  • [–] 19 points 3 weeks ago

    In the situation portrayed, the guys committing the SA know that they're doing something evil. The victim knows what happened.

    I'm not sure why anybody with zero knowledge needs to butt in and attack. How hard is it to keep quiet or supportive?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Rough to read, but posts like this really are necessary these days unfortunately

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