If you look at the history of work in the US though, there was only a short window of time that you had that extra time. Unless you were wealthy, your kids started to work at a very young age. Have you seen the pics of kids where they look like they could haggle with you and rob you? The teenage years are a relatively new concept.

Also, most of the boomer and older generations:

• Had no therapy
• Had no entertainment or education to let them know what's possible. It was by who you had contact with.
• If you were a POC, your life was most likely hell
• If you were gay, your life was most likely hell.
• If you were a woman, you life was most likely hell.

Yes, the goal is for everyone to get back to the lives of upper middle class, white men.

But wait, there's more:

Houses cost so much that people don't have space to do hobbies they used to. There's no garage or shed to set up as a maker space or studio or to setup drums or a weaving loom or painting canvases.

Intensive parenting is now the norm and the expectation. Kids can't play in front of the house like they used to. They can't go out and knock on friend's doors and go to the playground without a parent from every household going along. The only time children can be left is with a screen, and you're a villain if you do that.

Expectation from romantic partners also comes into the mix. After all the time and energy drain from the things above, there is nothing left in the tank. My wife would then not be a happy camper if I told her I'm going to be in the garage for an hour for my creative hobby.

Some disposable income is also required (variable amount depending on which hobby you take up).

When a single salary could comfortably support a whole family, people had more time

was there really time like that tho? just sounds like rose tinted glasses tbh. maybe because i'm not US based but people here were poor af back then and things got much better these days.

I keep wanting to get more into music, but can never find the time/motivation to practice my scales.

I also tend to pick an instrument and abandon it every few years. I have nieces and nephews who occasionally get a second hand instrument.

I don't think that stage ever stops for anyone

Have you considered the end result is not the purpose? The doing of art is what gives it meaning, to the artist and the viewer. It's what makes it satisfying, even if it didn't turn out how you wanted exactly.

AI is so wildly popular because it's cheap, and through the lens of the consumer (read untrained eye), the best of it evokes emotions they get from a piece that would go for hundreds or thousands of dollars.

I just went to an art museum that had a bunch of Van Gogh's sunflower pieces on display, and I can assure you, AI art will never be able to invoke the kind of emotional response as I got from looking at those paintings. I'm not an artist, I haven't taken an art class since high school, so my eye is pretty damn untrained. But even I can appreciate the history of the pieces, the artist behind the work, the headspace he was in and how it affected the finished piece, the extreme conditions he had to overcome just to finish some of the pieces. That's a huge part of what evokes emotion in an art piece - knowing the story of the art and the artist. And that's something AI art will never have.

AI art is cheap, sure, but it's hollow, and people will always be able to tell that.

It’s not fame they seek. It’s validation.

I HATE LLMs

But it can be fun, a little part of the problem specifically for LLMs they are addicting. Image generation version less so unless it's for porn

But I mean these things are great for shit posts

That's why the zeitgeist needs more time to settle on the perception of LLMs. It's a cool toy, but people shouldn't be getting it in their head that it gives them a shortcut to becoming a professional.

I literally havent considered that. Probs should. It was really fun for me for a short while, but I never wanted to share my creations or pass it off as my own.

"Make a tank out of liqorice allsorts but have Big Bird hanging out the top using a stick of liquorice as a cigar" "hahahahaha thats really funny".

It got boring fast though.

It's still theft. Nobody gave permission for their work to be used as training data.

If people got a proper art education they would know drawing is more fun.

I think AI can be great for this. It can make so many thing accessible to people that could not otherwise. Your example here is good and there are some legitimately fun AI songs.

The key is being able to discriminate something you've done for fun and being a serious artist. The problem becomes when people conflate something they've done as a fun hobby as being worthy of sitting next to human created art.

I've used AI to code lots of things for personal use that I wouldn't have had the time to complete otherwise. The difference is, I use them personally and don't release them as a serious software product.

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Is ai the only tool which makes a form of artwork “not count” for you or anything else?

I think AI is interesting for studying emergent behavior from highly dynamic systems. I’ve looked — we humans don’t really have a formal scientific study of emergence. The subject is broke up

It's pretty great for learning.

Stolen valor

Arts in state schools isn't about mastering a particular medium, it's about introducing learners to the different forms art can take and giving access to specialised equipment that's too expensive for them to buy without committing to the art form. Sketching and lyrics writing are fine for some, but others won't learn they want to learn more about photography, or sculpture, or pottery, or an instrument, or any number of other things if they don't actually get the opportunity to try it. If more people understood art, AI artists wouldn't get that adoration in the first place.

Not sure why you got a downvote (at time of writing this). It’s absolutely the truth that using AI is laziness, not an accessibility tool. It’s unfortunate though. I find its use morally reprehensible and yet can’t help but be charmed by some of the batshit garbage it spits out. It’s definitely a 7-fingered sword.

They’re hacks. They don’t want to consume more art. They want to pretend to be skilled artists. They are trying deity validate themselves through pretending to have a skill.

If you had the education, you'd know how to do all the things you say you want to do.