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[–] 105 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

He was clearly stating U.S. cities would have been threatened if a nuclear Iran hadn’t been stopped.

He clearly was not. But by all means, invite him to clarify. Stop speaking for him.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I've heard a lot of people saying that, but these people fail to realize that he said it in front of cameras. We have the quote, I've gone over it dozens of times and I can't get any meaning out of it besides "Iran can blow up San Diego and Los Angeles and I wouldn't care."

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    I mean if you wanted to give a charitable interpretation it could be simply that there would be swift retribution and they would regret it. Like "oh I wish you would punch me" or something. So, yeah, let him clarify, but he simply won't, because that's not what he meant.

    Honestly Trump has a lot in common with The Bible in that he and God both speak a bunch of fucking word salad gibberish and we're all left alone to try to interpret WTF he just said because he refuses to clarify.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Maybe this that surprise that he says they have planned. He going create flase flag in both cities and blame Iran and use it to cancel the elections.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I suspect he's just itching to use nuclear weapons to be strong and stable and genius, being too stupid to understand why it's is a bad idea.

    The rest of his executive are also bloodthirsty fascists and probably don't actually have a problem sacrificing some "libs" or "commies" or whatever for their greater good apocalypic religious ravings.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Didn't even think it be nuclear weapons, but your not wrong he suggested and seriously wanted to use a nuke to stop a hurricane. You remember it the one defaced a weather projection map with a sharper when they refuse to draw it going the way he had said it will go. If he can't stay in power I definitely see him using a nuke on his way out the door.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    French here. Flabbergasted at the fact he and his goons have not been impeached/choppity-chopped yet.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Our government has been largely captured by people whose loyalty is to, in this order:

    1. Themselves
    2. Their party
    3. America (sometimes further down the list)

    That is the problem.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Flabbergasted? Why?

    America is a spineless and complacent country full of ineffective limp-dick, do-nothing cowards that are happy to keep status quo if it means they don’t have to exert any effort.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Today I saw Jamie Raskin lamenting that Trump has damaged US alliances globally. While, sure, Trump has been bad, voting in a Democrat isn't going to restore everything. The American public can always vote in another dangerous demagogue and I think the world has realised that.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (23 children)

    Let them hit Mar-a-Lardo?

    I think Dump is banking on more Americans having insane rightwing California Derangement Syndrome and I don't think most Americans really have that, just the weird freaks that adore people like him.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    1 out of 8 people in us live in California. That’s 12.5% of the population.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (20 children)

    And they get 2 senators, same as the 0.172% of Americans living in Wyoming. The US needs constitutional reforms in so many ways.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Indeed. It borders on the absurdly ridiculous. I'm not sure the founders, even when they were trying to balance the interests of slave states anticipated such a wild imbalance of having one state having 67 times the number of people in another state.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    This is not a problem. The Senate is half of one branch of government, and it's fine to give land limited say. It helps prevent us from turning the less populated states into dumping grounds.

    Even if you disagree, there are much bigger issues. Gerrymandering and Citizens United both do infinitely more damage.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

    It helps prevent us from turning the less populated states into dumping grounds.

    You’re going to have to prove that’s what would happen.

    You’re also going to have to explain why that’s worse than underfunding and not meeting the everyday needs of actual people- the vast majority of whom do not live in rural America- to prevent rural America from “Becoming a dumping ground”.

    (Also while you’re at it, show how republicans aren’t already turning rural America into literal dumping grounds with their regulatory rollbacks.)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (9 children)

    I'm going to have to what? Sounds like I didn't need to do shit.

    You're going to have to prove eliminating the Senate is more important than fixing Citizens United or gerrymandering.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Equal representation is a foundation of democracy.

    The US doesn’t have that. And has never had it. If the foundation is shit, everything else is going to go to shit.

    That includes citizens united and gerrymandering.

    Which it needs to be said is a false dichotomy and all three things can be done simultaneously. It’s as lazy and fucking disingenuous as saying urban and suburban voters can’t vote responsibly for rural decisions but rural voters can vote responsibly for urban decisions.

    Any argument you can make for rural voters receiving more voting power can be echoed right back at you and it’s all a load of bullshit.

    So yeah. You’re absolutely going to have to defend the argument you fucking made when that argument is ultimately to disenfranchise 80% of American voters.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    The Senate is pretty clearly spelled out in the Constitution. Citizens United is a pretty far fetched, liberal interpretation, and gerrymandering isn't in the Constitution at all.

    Eliminating the Senate is more difficult and not on my priority list, and you haven't exactly convinced me to support that. It's a great idea if your goal is to get nothing done.

    I guess we can agree to disagree.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    The founders did not have a situation in which we have nearly 40 million people in one state, and 588K in another, and I don't know if they anticipated such a situation, either. I don't know that the Senate should be abolished, but it could use adjusting.

    Maybe you start adding Senators for states above a certain multiple over the lowest state's population. If you are 20x more population than Wyoming (least population), you get a Senator. For every 5x times above 20x, you get one more.

    California has 67 times more people in it than Wyoming. Something like this would give them 1 for the 20x + 9 for the rest (47 / 5), which would bring them to 12 Senators. That'd still be only 6x more Senators, but at least it would not be so wildly out of sync with how many people we are talking about.

    That, or we combine states like Wyoming with several others that hardly have anyone in them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    The founders did not have a situation in which we have nearly 40 million people in one state, and 588K in another

    They did. When Kentucky was admitted to the Union the population was around 73k. The official population of Virginia was 747,610. Virginia had 10x the population of Kentucky when Kentucky was admitted.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Admitted in 1792. Five years after the Constitution. Eight years later in 1800, they were at 220K and 807K. Seems like it didn't maintain 10x for very long. Assuming the census before being admitted was even accurate, but maybe there really was some kind of land rush in those 10 years.

    Still a long way off from one state having 67 times another, and maintaining that kind of wild disparity for decade upon decade. I'm supposing that if Virginia-Kentucky grew to that level - or even stayed at the level of 10x - in the lifetimes of the founders, they might have commented on it, though.

    At what point does that become untenable in a supposed democracy? Maybe anything under 10x is something that can be tolerated. 67 just seems cartoonish, and I don't see that ratio changing any time soon.

    If you point at 10 people standing in a square somewhere, and say they get 2 people to represent them, while this other set of 670 people standing in a different square also get 2, most people would find that rather baffling.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    You don’t need to eliminate the senate to make it representative of actual people.

    The constitution isn’t meant to be unchanging, perfect or worshipped. It was designed to be changed as the needs of the people changed. As the world changed.

    You can take your “agree to disagree” and shove it up your ass. Your attitude is literally disenfranchising ~80+% of Americans because of something you can’t even demonstrate to be likely, never mind totally true.

    Edit, by the way, if what you said is true, farm bills would never pass the house. They almost always pass as a matter routine.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It is 100% a problem that Vermont and California both get 2 senator each.

    California has 60 times the population VT has. 60. Same proportional representation in the senate.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Vermont has 3 total representatives in Congress, one of which is Bernie Sanders. California has 54.

    If the Senate was the entire legislative branch, I would agree with you that it's a problem. It's not.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    The Senate confirms justices for a lifelong position on the Supreme Court. The Senate being overly right wing and not properly representative of the people is not the entire problem, but it's definitely a problem.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This loser thinks he bothered the Libz with that nonsense, so he doubled down to piss them off more. He's too stupid to understand that it pissed off his own side, too.

    He lost everybody but his own loyalists long ago, and now he's on the edge with his own people. Every time he says something outrageous like that, it doesn't make a difference with the Left, they're long gone anyway, but it does make a difference with his own side, and they don't like it.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    Did he just name the two cities of his flase flag so he can declare martial law by midterms?

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  • I don't care what he says and haven't for many years. I care that he rapes children and has still not been held accountable.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    Hello Americans! Today it's totally fine and normal for your president to spins wheel ... invite Iran to bomb progressive cities! Hooray.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The MAGats know that he's a human cesspool, but they'll come up with excuses so they don't have to admit how awful he is.

    I saw a dozen posts yesterday where apologists were saying it was just a joke or he was being misunderstood.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    MAGats don't wanna admit that they themselves were wrong... or I should say, they don't want to have to hide their heinousness again. They don't give a fuck about how awful trump is, they just don't wanna feel like people think their awful/outcast, because they don't know how to reconcile. Doubling down is what angry cowards do

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    We need to finish the civil war.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)
  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    trump: I don’t give a shit if Iran kills Americans on U.S. soil!

    The White House: it’s not treason, he means gas prices.

    Robots: It’s not treason he meant gas prices.

    Press: It’s not treason he means gas prices.

    trump: I wanna do treason muhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    Republicans clean up your fucking pedophile king and stop ripping America apart. Assholes.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The first time had enough plausible deniability that he meant it in a "See what happens" type of way.

    I still think that is the most reasonable interpretation of his statements but he's intentionally playing into the media to keep the debate going. Letting people hear what they want to hear; Those that want to believe he meant the bad version (either because they like the message; or want to be mad about it) will hear that way. Those that want to believe he meant the innocent version will believe that.

    It's just very sick. What a disgusting terrorist.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    another way to look at it is he's inviting attacks and giving plausible deniability to our enemies - because anything that happens in the coming months, people will wonder if it's a false flag done by his crooked admin FIRST before anyone else.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    The orange one said,

    Let them hit San Diego,

    And the magas cheered!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    It's not doubling down, but rather claiming all of a sudden that it would be a bad thing. Nazi cronies originally excused it as "the left can't take a joke" because tone/words seemed to obviously welcome it.

    California happens to be one of the safer distance-wise places from Iran missile range. Even if a missile from Iran could reach California, one with a heavier bomb would reach eastern sea board, or Israel.

    Fundamentally, peace with Iran is the logical conclusion from this phantom fear. Instead of continuation of illegal permawar. Massively other negative consequences well within Iran demonstrated capability occur as a result of permanent war/oppression of Iran. Zero benefit to Americans.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    He had to prove all those sociopaths, who were running cover for him claiming he meant something else, wrong I guess... Slow Clap

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    What fucking President of the United States would say this? This man is a corrupt, incompetent, dangerous fool. That people voted for!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    I questioning if there's going to be some false flag attack in these cities just before midterms?

    Also, this treasonous pos needs to be put down in a prison hole.

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    Wow he really saved it!

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