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[–] 105 points 1 month ago (52 children)
  • [–] 61 points 1 month ago (46 children)

    It's really not. I've even taken an Uber/Lyft to the ER in an emergency before - with money I had beg friends for + a coupon. Then the absurdly high ER bills went to collections, because we didn't have the Medicaid expansion here and I'm disabled and couldn't pay them since I can't work, and now I have debt collectors hounding me all the time.

    When I was a kid and my dad was real sick, my parents got sued for unpaid medical bills we couldn't afford when my dad nearly died and had to be revived and intubated and shit. They garnished my dad's already piddly wages (mom's disabled, or they would have garnished hers, too) and they had to declare bankruptcy.

    This country is such a mess.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    I got in a Lyft with nearly bursting intestines and asked him to take me to the ER. He could see on my face that I was sweating and pale. He kept nervously asking me about it and I had to pretend to be OK so he wouldn’t kick me out of his car. “I’m good, just going to a doctor’s appointment. You see that show last night?”. I was desperately clutching my stomach and my shirt was drenched in sweat.

    I like to think he understood.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I've driven myself to the hospital a few times to avoid paying for an ambulance. The only time I actually went to a hospital in an ambulance was when I couldn't stay conscious. I still didn't want to go, but I couldn't exactly argue.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (43 children)

    Remember this every time you consider being polite to a conservative instead of treating them the way they deserve.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago

    I mean at this point they are supporting a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, probable pedophile and insurrectionist traitor that just joked about Iran destroying two of America's largest cities because they vote blue.

    Conservatives should be treated like traitors, because they are. They have made it very clear they are America's enemy.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (41 children)

    Yeah, fuck empathy and social cohesion, just emulate the worst behaviours of your perceived other. If someone needs a ride to the hospital I'm not going to check their damn voting records

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (22 children)

    If I don't know someones politics I'll help them without question. If they're wearing Trump merch then they can have the day they voted for. I don't give a fuck about social cohesion with those cunts anymore than they would with me.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    Picturing you at a bus stop rolling your eyes as an 80 y/o in a maga hat strokes out, it's not pretty. What happened to being the change?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    What happened to being the change?

    Allowing evil people to die so the world can be a better place is the change I want to see in this world.

    Are you suggesting old people can't be evil?

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    At least some of them just come out and admit they want death. Your sophistry does not grant any moral high ground. What you are saying is that you more death, that those you judge must die. It is a direct reflection of the ideology you are trying to oppose. An equal and opposite reaction that only perpetuates a cycle.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    I don't care if you think I'm pretty. The change I want is every maga turd in this country in the ground. They abandoned the social contract, not me. You don't get to abide by it only when it benefits you.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    No one is talking about whether or not you are pretty, that's a deflection from the obvious ugliness of watching someone die. The change you express a desire for here would be more clearly stated as mass death. We only control our own actions, I can only hope that those you would take in reality are kinder.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    The change you express a desire for here would be more clearly stated as mass death.

    Sorry if that wasn't clear enough for you. There's no place in society for fascist, racist, sexist, bigots. You can't still be in the maga camp and not be those things. I hope every single one of them experiences the suffering they would gladly have inflicted on innocents and fuck you for advocating for tolerance. I'll be kind to the people who don't support genocidal pedophiles.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    You're literally advocating to inflict suffering and telling me to fuck off for promoting not even "tolerance" but basic empathy and shared humanity. It doesn't feel particularly kind, and it's deeply frustrating to watch someone perpetuate exactly what's been inflicted on them. Suffering in no way eases suffering. Empathy does.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    You’re literally advocating to inflict suffering and telling me to fuck off for promoting not even “tolerance” but basic empathy and shared humanity.

    Yeah, because they're fascist, racist, sexist, bigots. Their ideas of "shared humanity" don't include me. They're evil, end of story. They don't have to be this way, they chose it and have continued to double down as things have gotten worse. It's not just "different political beliefs" or being misguided anymore and hasn't been for a long time. They are evil and they're not going to change their ways. Fuck them and again fuck you for empathizing with them. Empathize with their victims if you want to empathize with someone so bad. Being kind to Nazis doesn't make you a good person.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    You don't have to be this way either. I don't see empathy as a burden or gift to be given, I see it as a source of strength. It expands your sense of self and defines emotional strength. It heals the self, other, and whole. Kindness is a reward in and of itself. I hope there is enough in your life to share.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I see it as a source of strength. It expands your sense of self and defines emotional strength.

    How exactly is rolling over for fascists a source of strength? If we do not stand up to these people and put them back in their place things are going to continue to get worse. Kindness won't change anything because they are fundamentally screwed up individuals, they see it as weakness and an opportunity to take more from you. That's all it is to them. There's no appreciation, or self reflection about how they should be better people. They like the way they are and think things are going great because the people they hate are being hurt and they don't have to hide what they are anymore. You're spouting off empty platitudes because you're either a hateful fuck yourself trying to pose as a moral bystander online or you're just fucking delusional.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I'm sharing my lived experience because I care. From here it seems like you're throwing judgments and accusations at me to justify your own hatred. I know it can feel like a source or strength, especially when you've felt its impact, but I promise you it's not. You're allowing the worst of us to drag you to their level, and joining in a self-destructive game they're much better at. I see what you're doing as letting "the nazis" win. Expanding your sense of the other, responding to it with violence, acting from fear rather than love, successfully atomized and volatile and raw for exploitation. I guarantee you and the guy with a maga hat on top of his klan hood have more in common than either of you do with any politician or billionaire, very much including the impact your behaviour has. Continuing to love and be vulnerable through suffering is in no way rolling over. Amplifying that suffering, picking it up as a weapon and inflicting what has been inflicted on you on another, is far more fundamental a capitulation than helping someone in need you don't feel "deserves" it. I hope one of my platitudes reach you, and can promise my whole heart is in them. Good luck out there.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    From here it seems like you’re throwing judgments and accusations at me to justify your own hatred.

    No, I'm throwing judgements and accusations at you because they are accurate statements about the results of your beliefs.

    I guarantee you and the guy with a maga hat on top of his klan hood have more in common than either of you do with any politician or billionaire

    I don't give a shit what we have in common. What we don't have in common is being a bigoted piece of shit and that's not a divide I'm willing to cross.

    Amplifying that suffering, picking it up as a weapon and inflicting what has been inflicted on you on another, is far more fundamental a capitulation than helping someone in need you don’t feel “deserves” it.

    Capitulation to what? I'm talking about reality, not whatever made up bullshit you have going on in your head that you're using to argue that magas deserve the compassion they are actively doing everything in their power to take away from everyone else.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Arrogant confidence in dismissing one another as "piece of shit" is in this context unfortunately the most relevant part of your commonality. I was speaking of capitulation to hatred itself, of course. I'm not making up hatred, or the peace that I wish you. Please be well

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Then you have a good life extending empathy to people who want you fucking dead for the way you think and live your life.

    If you're still giving the benefit of the doubt to conservatives, you have learned NOTHING and deserve to be taken advantage of by the worst our society has to offer.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago

    A dark future indeed. You're very comfortable passing judgment and telling me what I deserve. Again: who does that remind you of? What behavior are you emulating? How do you think it might shape the world?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    https://sh.itjust.works/comment/27791546

    Cold linking the wiki article (with tracking intact no less) isn't much of a reply

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Too much for you to read, huh?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    Did you read it or understand it? Social media butchers & misrepresents the paradox, argument, and basic definition of (in)tolerance as used in political philosophy. Tolerance is acceptance that permits an objectionable position or practice despite considering it wrong. Intolerance is a rejection that doesn't permit, ie, literally prohibits. Here's the full passage partly quoted in the article

    [Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.—In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise.] But we should claim the right to suppress them [intolerant ideologies] if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.

    The type of intolerance they refer to is the kind that uses unjustified force and refuses debate. They even explicitly reject that we should in general "suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies" as long as rational argument & public opinion can still govern public choice.

    The philosopher who articulated the paradox was defending an open society that protects intellectual freedom & open discourse, not arguing for a society to limit it. They were also talking about systems of government.

    None of that pertains to a civil disagreement lacking imposition of force: by definition the person in disagreement is tolerant, so it's not a case of "tolerating the intolerant". The paradox doesn't apply.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    I have no empathy for torturers and murderers.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Quick to judge, lacking empathy, who does that sound like to you? Really hope you can find enough peace to try being a good part of this greater whole again man.

    "There's a bad man in everyone, no matter who we are. There's a rapist and a nazi living in our tiny hearts. Child pornographers and cannibals, and politicians too. There's someone in your head waiting to fucking strangle you."

    Great song. Best of luck out there.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It sound like YOU have a Nazi living in your heart with how hard you are trying to defend them in this thread.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Think the point of the song is that we all do, and acknowledging and attempting to transcend that is crucial to being "good". It's being very clearly demonstrated here that with enough fear and enough hurt many otherwise normal people will resort to paying forward the bigotry and violence inflicted on them. Can you point to where I have in any way defended nazis, rather than advocating against the very behaviors that make their "movement" so reprehensible?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    No, there is no rapist or Nazi living in my heart.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Wow, that's great. Sounds like you're pretty dang pure, far removed from the flawed individuals you wish death on. A model human, some kind of 'ubermensch'

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    That’s not what I said at all. You seem very upset that people hate Nazis. Why is that?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I'm upset that people hate, period, and don't believe a reasonable person could actually see anything I've said as supporting fascism in any way. You're directly advocating for that same ideology with a different target, and insinuating I must be one of Them for having a problem with it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Have you studied the Paradox of Tolerance?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but not exclusively! Even there tolerance is framed as an ideal, and rationale as the primary defense against intolerance. It's also about how to handle movements in a society, not who to call help for. Have you ever studied the Wheel of Samsara?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Pffft! Yeah buddy, because whether or not you make it closer to Nirvana is definitely the only thing that matters here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    It's difficult to engage through your sarcasm, but assuming heaven is a place on earth and we only control our own actions yes. Living with compassion and and at least attempting to embody the changes I hope for is very important to me. It's hope for a better world and a genuine attempt to build it, the only meaningful counter to violence and despair.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    If someone needs a ride to the hospital I’m not going to check their damn voting records

    Not what the person you are responding to said. They just said "be polite to". And no, you shouldn't be polite to conservatives after what they've done.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Why should we treat them any better than they treat everyone else?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago

    My father-in-law fell down a flight of stairs last week. He just laid on the floor for three hours while he and his wife argued over if they could afford the ambulance. If I hadn't found out and gone over to get him myself, I think he'd probably still be on the floor now.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    I once had a co-worker who was having a full blown asthma attack refuse to let me call an ambulance, preferring instead to wait for her sister in law to bike to the store with her inhaler. The system is just broken.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    If they die, put two cheeseburgers on their eyes. It's payment for the mobility scooter in the underworld.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    America has medical bankruptcy at a rate seen nowhere else in the world.

    Roger Marshall, a US senator (and medical Dr gynecology) sent dozens of patients (moms) to jail for debt collection as little as $100 and he will likely win reelection in Republican Kansas despite this being a front page story.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    America effectively sounds more and more like a feudal state run by different landlords who in turn answer to oil barons and CEO Marquis.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    King/Queen(?)

    Barons (CEOs, governors, senators, etc)

    Knights (Medium sized business owners, committee and board members, landlords, executives)

    Elevated Peasants (Lottery winners, artists (some), content creators, highly paid employees)

    Peasants

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I mean, at least he won’t ve practicing medicine anymore

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    How much gyneacology can you even get for $100, and would you really want it?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    An asshole literally called an ambulance for me and I told him not to. He said he was doing the right thing. I told him I was able to decide for myself if I needed an ambulance. The ambulance came and tried to tell me they weren't allowed to not take me. I told them I was calling the police for kidnapping. They didn't believe me. I called a taxi and bolted into it. Told the cabby I'd give him an extra $20 if he ignored them. Dumbasses. Fuck that guy that called an ambulance for me. Truly.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    "Ambulance" doesn't even enter the conversation in my circles. It'd be like suggesting we take a private jet. "Just dying" is an equally ridiculous option. Everyone should know both basic first aid and how to steal a car

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    True. My buddy was dying of heat exhaustion and we were honestly discouraging him to get a helicopter rescue on the hike. We ended up getting the helicopter though

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Believe it or not, straight to permanent debt prison.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Afterwards, he told us that the helicopter rescue was covered/didn't cost him because it was for an emergency. He said that they only charge if you give up on the hike but don't have a medical issue.

    Not sure if that's true but that's what he told us

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I think it was Gina Yashere (British comedian) who did the math and worked out while she was touring the US, if her leg was cut off, it would be cheaper to take a taxi to the airport, book two last minute first-class seats on British Airways (one seat for her, and one for the leg) and fly home to be treated in the UK than it would be to just go to a US hospital.

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    [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I wonder exactly how many Americans die every year from not seeking medical attention due to the cost.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    One time I got struck by a car while on foot. It flipped me over the top and broke a few things, including cracking a vertebrae in my neck. The fucker driving probably thought they killed me because they hit the gas right afterwards and sped away.

    When the ambulance came I tried to argue against getting in it. Told them I'd drive myself if I didn't feel better after a night. It's hard to argue when you're all twisted up on the ground, tho. Anyway, that EMS wasn't having any of my shit.

    On the gurney I went and off to the most expensive 1 mile trip of my life.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Struggling with chronic discomfort and limited mobility from crumbling disks in the lumbar region. But that's just getting older, unfortunately. The price of bipedalism, I suppose.

    Thank you for asking.

    A little pissy it happened so early since I'm not even 50 yet, so it feels like I got robbed of at least 10 years of my active life.

    On the other hand, fair trade. I've survived quite a number of things that should have taken me out if it weren't for luck or hardiness. I bounced back from that hit and run pretty quickly. Fell a few stories out of a tree once. I've also survived a tornado that went directly over me and collapsed the building I was in. Fought a guy in jail who was about 250 lbs of pure muscle (lost that one, lol, got a trip to the hospital and concussion for my trouble), almost froze to death one night (was literally wavering back and forth between the land of eternal sleep and life before I peeled myself off the ground and stumbled my way through a snow storm for shelter) another hospital trip for trying to save one of our customers in the middle of a city wide riot and bar fight (I was in the local newspaper for that. Earned a punctured lung and some broken ribs). Accidentally released a bunch of chlorine gas into an apartment complex (I could feel the vapors on my skin when I ran in to shut everything off, shoo). A few other manglings not worth going into detail about.

    Knock on wood, turns out I'm pretty hard to kill.

    Anyway, long story short, I'll take a little genetic back pain in light of the tremendous luck I've had since none of my misadventures left me with any permanent damage.

    Good thing, too, healthcare costs are the deadliest thing out there.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    wow. I bet your friends call you "nine lives".

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago*

    It’s messed up… healthcare should be free. No one should have to pay a fortune for emergency care.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Just let me bleed out in the back of your SUV...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    i was advised once by a nurse to call an ambulance for myself, but i was so afraid of the cost i ended up ubering to the emergency room. i was in serious pain but i didn't think i was going to die (and i wasn't), hence what may seem like a stupid choice. the hospital stay still ended up being $700 dollars after insurance.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    I should be laughing at this meme as a Brazilian who inhabits a country with public healthcare with public ambulance (Sistema Único de Saúde and its SAMU, respectively), but then I check our election results from last Sunday and... Welp, good thing I'm practicing Memento Mori in a daily basis and preparing myself (spiritually, physically, mentally, socially, etc-ly...) to cemeteries (if those who'd be left with my cadaver would afford a coffin and a gravesite, it's a whole other story). Before I leave this Pale Blue Dot as a homo sapiens embodiment, maybe I'll eventually going to make a Brazilian version of this meme, with a SAMU ambulance instead of the USian one, so I become, like my therapist once recommended me, a Titanic violinist, playing as the whole ship gets swallowed by the abyss, laughing like a hyena as we all meet the cold touch... !politicalmemes@lemmy.world

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Living under crippling debt is pretty rough. The same people concerned about ambulances often can't afford treatments for serious conditions, either.

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    [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    I learned this from watching their emergency services shows. The EMS asks them if they want to be taken to the hospital. They always decline.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Happened to me recently. I was gushing blood like a B-grade 90s horror movie. I had health insurance and figured this was the exact reason I pay so much for it, so that I have it when I need it. Called for an ambulance since I couldn't stop the bleeding and didn't want my car's interior covered in blood.

    Anyway, that ambulance company was out of network according to my insurance. Of course when you call for an ambulance, you have no choice in who picks you up and you have no ability to know ahead of time if it's covered or how much it will cost.

    Easy to see why Americans get radicalized by this shit

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Call an ambulance? Fuck that, you drive to the hospital with a ruptured appendix like a real man. That's what I did.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You joke but I’ve driven to the hospital with 2 dislocated arms because I didn’t want an ambulance bill.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I wasn't joking. 4 years ago my appendix ruptured while I was laying on the couch watching Frasier. It felt like someone popped me in the belly with a rubber band followed by the worst pain I've ever experienced. I made myself get up and go to the bathroom to look in the mirror. I was sweaty and white as a sheet. I called my brother, but he was at work and couldn't answer his phone. I couldn't think to call anyone else so I got in the car and drove the 13 blocks to the hospital.

    Luckily, the VA covered the hospital bill.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Do not get an ambulance outside of your county of residence, Americans!! It's much more expensive than inside your county. Which is already expensive.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    Reminder that it does not cost any money to call an ambulance. It only costs money if you take the ambulance, which is optional (of course, this assumes that you are able to express your wishes when the EMTs arrive).

    Edit: typos

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  • [+] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)
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    The fact this is a reasonable suggestion is all the evidence anyone from outside the USA needs to realize it's a shithole country.

    Just pathetic.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago*

    Absolutely. In an emergency you would not do this.

    You would simply ring multiple ambulances, ask for a quote from each, and compare prices and services offered like a reasonable consumer in a free market should.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    MOAR BOOTSTRAPS!

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