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[–] 135 points 1 month ago (31 children)
  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    I guess so. I was curious if there is a similar projected demand in the US. I don't know if that info is on this page, but it does show the median annual wage to be $38k https://www.bls.gov/oes/2023/may/oes493091.htm

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Yeah that's trash and I bet the only places with any actual job market for bike mechanics stateside are high COL areas.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    I earn about that much and I own a car, a house, and have 4 years' wages worth of savings.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Ok but do you live in an area where bike commuting is a viable option for a majority of people? Also just to be clear 38k is 23% below individual US median wage.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago* (8 children)

    I'm not sure what bike commuting has to do with this but yes, it's a 30 minute trip to the city centre from where I live and there's a bike lane the whole way. Living expenses here are lower than in the US but not dramatically so.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Because bike mechanic isn't a job that's going to exist outside of areas where large amounts of people ride bikes, hence my original point of it probably not being a job outside high cost living areas in the US which tend higher density that the lower COL areas. So a 38k median wage isn't going to be remotely livable in any of those areas.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    Do smaller cities and towns not have bike shops in the US? My city has roughly 200k residents and I can think of at least 5 different bike shops on the top of my head.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This is highly anecdotal but I live in a suburb of the 3rd largest city in my state I know of one bike shop in the area and Google tells me there's a hand full of others within like 20 miles of me. Also for good measure the reviews on one of them says it's staffed by volunteers.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I think my broader point still stands. There are things one can influence and there are ones they can't. Where people live is one of the things they can. Living in a large city is expensive so one needs to earn more to sustain that. However that's not the only place to live. I most certainly have the lowest income of my friend group but I'm also by far the wealthiest because of how much cheaper my living expenses are. My mortgage for a house is half of what they're paying in rent a month for a small apartment equally far away from the city centre. They just choose to live in the capital so their living expenses are so much higher that despite the higher wage they have nothing to show for it. Also, I started my own business because I got tired of working for others and despite having zero experience and nobody helping me I still managed to make it work so if I can do it, anyone can.

    I just get incredibly frustrated with the apparent apathy online of people just blaming external factors about their circumstances as if they've got no control over anything themselves. So many of the struggles people deal with are self-inflicted. This equally applies to my fellow entrepreneurs as well who are not happy where they're at. They have all the control over their business but they still choose to follow the same path as everyone else while expecting different results.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Ok cool but my main original point still stands 38k median in the US is not a good wage.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Below average doesn't equal bad. If the wage covers your living expenses and you have money left over even after that then what does more money achieve? Nothing. Unless you want to keep up with the Joneses.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Ok but average across an entire country is not average in low cost of living areas, if a person is making the countries median in a low cost of living area that would mean their making of the median for the area they live in. Wages will rise and fall depending on cost of living.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Anybody with half a brain an allen wrench and an inclination can fix their own bike.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah…unfortunately that act of self sufficiency gets more difficult when I have an electric motor on my back wheel and any maintenance on that wheel requires disassembling it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    One of the reasons I personally dislike electric bikes is that you are just adding a point of failure. Can get so much further on a regular bike without the battery dying. A bike is a perfectly paired down device and that is its whole power to me.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah I've lived in towns around when the e-scooter rental craze was at its peak and people don't respect that kind of property. Why would they when often these companies just go and dump their rentals in the middle of the city and create a bunch of problems in doing so. The rental companies themselves seem to have no ownership of their vehicles, so why should some rando respect it? Car drivers getting peeved about bikes is a problem as old as bikes and cars though.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Lots of AI-proof trades that pay well. HVAC, welding, plumbing, mechanics, etc.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

    HVAC starting wage of $18.00 in 2026? (quick search)

    So, like 80s minimum wage ($6.00 an hour then is $18 an hour today). I made that at Qwik Stop. I'm not joking.

    I'm sorry kids I am older and know I could barely make it in 80s and you have it so much worse.

    I had to eat packets of ramen for years, always had roommates, couldn't afford a car or pet. I'm really sorry

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    A plumber's salary bought me a house at 27 and now less than 10 years later I have enough savings to buy another if I wanted to. Of all my friends the only people who own the house they live in are the ones working in trades. Every single one of them with an office job is renting and doesn't even own a car.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    That's great.

    But, we have 300 million people and the trades aren't going to keep them all feed and housed. Look at the big picture.

    Glad you've done well. I'd wager you're an owner of your own business, and not a plumber working for an owner. Would I win that bet?

    (I didn't start to make money until I left the work force and became an "entrepreneur". I made more money with dog walking as an owner than I ever did as an employee)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I don't see how it's an argument against finding a job in the trades that not literally everyone can do that. Not everyone can be a doctor either - doesn't mean you shouldn't chase that if it's what you want to do. Tons of people are more or less succesfully climbing the corporate ladder and have no desire to do anything else. This advice isn't for those people but the ones that are struggling with that or worrying that it is not AI proof - there are alternatives to it.

    And yes nowdays I do own my bussiness but that wasn't always the case. I had a higher income as an employee. I traded that for more freedom and meaning.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Ok, but a lot of plumbing is ripping people off. A neighbor needed a pipe capped for a shower renovation, a plumber charged them $300. I capped the remaining pipes when I heard this. Being a home owner means navigating around the sleazy trades, a combination of scam artists and "professionals" who fake the job.

    But it comes down to people don't know how to practically do anything any more. The idea of taking my bikes to a mechanic doesn't make any sense.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    There are some shady people in every profession, but most tradespeople aren’t ripping off customers too badly. It’s more like people who don’t work in the trades aren’t aware how expensive the operating costs are, like getting licensed/bonded/insured etc. Running a plumbing business is more financially complex than just buying materials and plugging them in to the clients’ home, so of course as a DIY homeowner you can skip a lot of nonsense. If you can do the work yourself, great! You save money and it gives the pros more time to help out folks who can’t do the work themselves.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    heh years ago, my GenX ass was working 3 jobs to afford rent and ramen, along with potatoes and herbs (super cheap in the Chinese market), and had a Boomer tell me "you young kids must be eating lots of mac and cheese!".

    I did take a pleasure in telling him "mac and cheese is rich food, it takes milk and butter. You must have been well-off if that's your mark of poverty".

    And compared to how fucked the young after me are, I was living high on the hog.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Yeah, but how much are they going to pay them?

    I worked in bike shops for a few years. Most repairs are dead simple once you understand the basic principles, and the harder things are more often replace rather than fix (e.g., most bearings are sealed cartridge units now, bottom brackets are serviceable, etc.). But the last place I worked, I was making only a little over minimum wage. Maybe that's survivable in the EU; it's not in Chicago.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    It's not survivable in the EU. It's just that you would qualify for government assistance whereas in the US you're probably told to go live in a cardboard box. The problem is it doesn't really fix the underlying issue which is that as soon as anyone is offered a better paying job they'll disappear.

    No one's going to put in the effort to get certified if the job is known not to pay very well.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    ... What government assistance? You got a job, who's going to be giving you assistance?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Don't know about other countries, but in Germany, 72% (2023 numbers) of those who receive income support are officially employed. They just don't make enough money to get by.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    But don’t they know if they just hand out free money they’ll all just turn into freeloaders and stop working??? If all those poor people have money they’ll just go out and spend it all on drugs and hookers! Clearly Germany is failing smh my head. ^/s^

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (22 children)

    I don't know if I believe that 90% of people use the shop for their repairs.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    I tried adjusting my own derailleur once.

    Shop for me from then on.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    No it isn't. Read Zinn's repair book or watch any video from Park Tool by Calvin and once you understand how simple it is, adjustment is trivial.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Rear derailer is usually trivial; only gets tricky if you're adjusting the body screw and/or messing around with the chain. Front derailer sometimes necessitates adjusting the position on the bike frame. And especially with cheap 3x bikes can be tricky, or even impossible, to get it just right.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    It's not. Derailleur is set once when it's installed onto the bike and you should never need to adjust it again. If the shifting is crap the issue is the twisted hanger and no amount of adjusting the limit screws is going to fix that.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    I had to re-index my gears ~2 years after I bought my new mountain bike... It's not "hard" but if you've never done it before and don't have a place where to properly work on your bike I can see why people would rather pay whatever the fee is at a shop.

    Like with most stuff you do it a couple of times and it becomes easy.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Well maybe (even though I do think a bit of a bent hanger can be compensated for) but even then it’s only true until you change cassette/chain or the shifter cable, which you will have to do at some point.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    A new chain or cassette doesn't affect the derailleur. A new cable does, but the tension is adjusted from the shifter, not by messing with the derailleur adjustments. It's true that god-awful shifting due to a bent derailleur can be mitigated to some extent by messing with the adjustments but it'll never be good. It can't be because the derailleur is bent. Then when you replace the hanger with a straight one the shifting goes to shit again.

    Whenever my derailleur catches on a rock or a stump and the shifting goes to shit all I do is remove the derailleur from the hanger, use the hanger adjustment tool to straighten it out and once I re-attach the derailleur it shifts perfectly again with no adjusting at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    It does tho. Not all cassettes are built on the same tolerances and different brands might have different interpretations of the standards, so always check the limits.
    Cable tension more often then not can be dialed on the derailleur as well.
    Worn chains can impact shift performance, and sometimes adjusting tension or derailleur height can improve things.
    These are things that aren’t noticed when everything is new and clean, but can slowly creep up as an issue.

    So yes. I agree with your sentiment that a well set up derailleur should keep shifting, in practice it’s more nuanced.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    Shit like this is why I will never own a derailleur bike again. Too much maintenance. I was constantly catching the derailleur on rocks and curbs and things like that, then having to do the finickiest mechanical work known to man. All just so I can go uphill slower?? Crazy technology!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    So you're saying it's impossible to bend the derailelellueur enough for shifting to fail?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Why is it every time someone starts a sentence with "So you're saying.." it's then followed with misrepresentation of what was actually said?

    No, that is not what I said. What I did say is that in the vast number of cases when your shifting is shit it's not because of bent derailleur or badly adjusted one but it's a bent derailleur hanger. That part is designed to bend specifically so that the derailleur itself doesn't.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I'm surprised when I talk to people and almost always hear that they bring their bike to a shop for maintenance and repair. I'm usually the strange one who do his own maintenance and repairs. So I can believe that most people bring their bike to a mechanic. The 90% figure still seems high though.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    More than half of the guitarists I know take their guitar into the shop to change strings. That seems crazy to me but it’s been my (anecdotal) experience. I didn’t even know guitar center offered that as a service till I asked someone what gauge they preferred. The folk at the table were like, “whatever guitar center puts on”.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The full quote is, "A lot of them now will come to cycle shops for pretty much 90% of bike repairs." So not necessarily that 90% of people are coming in for every issue, but that there are people who rely on the shop for almost every issue.

    I've learned a lot about bike repairs this year, and I've been volunteering as a mechanic at free bike repair events. It's been interesting going from the clueless customer asking for a "tune-up" to being the one asked for a tune-up. If you ride but don't have maintenance background you know that it's possible there might be some problematic, or even dangerous issue; but you have no idea what that might be. And if you can identify a problem, as far as you know any work you do might brake something in a way you don't understand. So I can understand people going to the shop frequently.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    When my kids were younger, I got them to advertise bike fix Saturdays on my driveway. I got 10-12 bikes to 100% typically. Most popular bikes were just neglected or more commonly, not assembled correctly at the big box store by Todd. Fucking Todd...

    But, most kids had no interest in learning how to fix a bike. These people will grow up and depend on others for everything, overpay or get ripped off.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    I think it is fairly common for the average rider in a bikeable area. Like a car sure a lot of drivers know how to change a tire, a lot fewer change the oil or brakes. Computers arent hard to build but 90% of people buy something premade.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago

    "X" needs [underpaid] workers right now!

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Totally anecdotal, but in my area, if you try to book an appointment at any local bike shop for a repair other than a flat tire, they'll give you a date a month away. We need more mechanics here too.

    But I'm learning to do more on my own now.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    In NL/BE it’s so bad that most settled bike shops won’t even plan your repair if the bike was not bought at that store. Why? Because there’s still more then enough work with only your own customers.

    So you’d ask yourself, why don’t repair only places open? Because the knowledge required to start fixing bikes has evolved a lot with the multitude of e-bike systems, and moreover people already find the repair prices too expensive when the costs are slightly subsidized by the people buying bikes at the shop.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    ... why don’t repair only places open?

    Thanks, I actually asked myself that very question recently. I wonder if just selling parts and doing repairs could replace the bike sales though?

    I considered the idea of a mobile repair van instead of a shop too.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The problem with mobile repair is you drive around telling people their bikes are not worth repairing. People balk at a $60 bill on a $140 Walmart bike. Now with fuel prices Trumped, not a great business model. Unless, you can specialize in dentists bikes.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I used to volunteer at a co-op repairing bikes and running a repair course. When I couldn't teach the course one of the local mechanics would teach it, I don't know how any of them could survive on a single income

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Well if you're volunteering, isn't that part of the problem? Stop fixing bikes for cheap. Charge people more. If cheap/free places no longer exist, you can make money as a bike mechanic.

    That's just capitalism for you.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    No one’s gonna rent a room on a bike mechanic salary.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    A reading from the book of the prophet Scott Biram:

    Well you can spend all your life makin lots of money, but only Jesus gonna save you honey

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Everyone thinks fixing a bike is simple until some ass hat routes cables through the headset

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Anything related to repair is in demand, but not for the right pay. I quit doing my job--different field--to do something else. Got tired of it. I really enjoyed the morons that tried to fix it themselves or cut corners find out how expensive the bill is to fix their mistakes.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I do it all myself and just follow guides very slowly. Haven't had a problem in 7 years, not everyone that does DIY is a moron.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    And some things don't need professional quality. Did my own plastering for some patches of wall. Is it as perfectly smooth as getting a plasterer in? Maybe not if you look very closely. So just stop looking so closely at the wall. Plus learnt for next time if I need to do it again I can probably do a somewhat better job.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I commend you for that. I have no problem with anyone fixing their own things. My only gripe is fixing other peoples mistakes. 35K espresso machine breaks, catastrophically, I spent a week fixing it as I've never seen this kind of damage. Then basically spent a few hours interrogating the customer if they changed the settings. Finally they cracked and said yes, the milk wasn't working so they turned it off. They didn't. So the entire system kept running and created calcification all throughout the path and blew out all the connectors on the boiler. I should have charged double for that experience; hence why I don't feel like doing that line of work anymore.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I worked as a mechanic in a bike shop for a few years: we were the Trek shop for the area. While there are plenty of things the average person can do and get pretty close to correct, there were soo many tickets that came in for botched repair jobs, stripped hardware, and shit setups.

    I think everyone should be able to fix a flat tire and lubricate a drivetrain. But beyond that, bring it to a person who has the knowledge and very specific proprietary tools to do the job. It's possible you can use some pliers and a hammer to do what you're doing, but you'll probably damage components and then need to bring it to a shop anyway.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I have been into 2 bike shops to ask if they stocked any chain wax. First one (Halfords) had no idea what that was and didn't stock it. The second (Local independent) immediately knew what I was asking about when I mentioned drip on being used to top it up between immersion dipping it in melted wax, just didn't have any stock of what I was specifically after.

    Fair enough as it was a pretty small shop. But I know who I would trust more.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I know what you're talking about! I've been mixing paraffin wax and oil together and dipping my drivetrain for awhile. Did I mention I started as a hobby mechanic?

    There is definitely a difference between a BSO retailer and a LBS, but also between shops for the different types of riding. Some shops specialize in mountain, some road, some commuting. I imagine that some are now even specializing in ebikes, but I haven't seen it with my own eyes in the wild. Go where the knowledge, tools, and parts are for your ride... which is probably the local independent :)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah 99% of people have probably never heard of it, stop being a fancy snob. Most of us just oil our chains.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    stop being a fancy snob

    I don't think its being a fancy snob to expect a bike mechanic to be an expert on bikes. Look up anything about chain lubrication and you will very quickly see wax being mentioned as an option, its hardly some obscure bit of secret knowledge. Other major chain shops which sell bikes stock it too, like Decathlon. Its just that I can get to Halfords in under 10 minutes while Decathlon is about an hours ride away going through like 3 towns.

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