Too bad it pays for shit
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Yeah, but how much are they going to pay them?
I worked in bike shops for a few years. Most repairs are dead simple once you understand the basic principles, and the harder things are more often replace rather than fix (e.g., most bearings are sealed cartridge units now, bottom brackets are serviceable, etc.). But the last place I worked, I was making only a little over minimum wage. Maybe that's survivable in the EU; it's not in Chicago.
It's not survivable in the EU. It's just that you would qualify for government assistance whereas in the US you're probably told to go live in a cardboard box. The problem is it doesn't really fix the underlying issue which is that as soon as anyone is offered a better paying job they'll disappear.
No one's going to put in the effort to get certified if the job is known not to pay very well.
there's certification for bike repairing?
... What government assistance? You got a job, who's going to be giving you assistance?
Don't know about other countries, but in Germany, 72% (2023 numbers) of those who receive income support are officially employed. They just don't make enough money to get by.
No longer in the EU but UK minimum wage is comfortably survivable in most of the country. Might be fucked in London though.
I don't know if I believe that 90% of people use the shop for their repairs.
I tried adjusting my own derailleur once.
Shop for me from then on.
That shit is black magic.
No it isn't. Read Zinn's repair book or watch any video from Park Tool by Calvin and once you understand how simple it is, adjustment is trivial.
I've watched a dozen videos and completed as many alignments but it's just never right.
Rear derailer is usually trivial; only gets tricky if you're adjusting the body screw and/or messing around with the chain. Front derailer sometimes necessitates adjusting the position on the bike frame. And especially with cheap 3x bikes can be tricky, or even impossible, to get it just right.
It's not. Derailleur is set once when it's installed onto the bike and you should never need to adjust it again. If the shifting is crap the issue is the twisted hanger and no amount of adjusting the limit screws is going to fix that.
I had to re-index my gears ~2 years after I bought my new mountain bike... It's not "hard" but if you've never done it before and don't have a place where to properly work on your bike I can see why people would rather pay whatever the fee is at a shop.
Like with most stuff you do it a couple of times and it becomes easy.
Well maybe (even though I do think a bit of a bent hanger can be compensated for) but even then it’s only true until you change cassette/chain or the shifter cable, which you will have to do at some point.
A new chain or cassette doesn't affect the derailleur. A new cable does, but the tension is adjusted from the shifter, not by messing with the derailleur adjustments. It's true that god-awful shifting due to a bent derailleur can be mitigated to some extent by messing with the adjustments but it'll never be good. It can't be because the derailleur is bent. Then when you replace the hanger with a straight one the shifting goes to shit again.
Whenever my derailleur catches on a rock or a stump and the shifting goes to shit all I do is remove the derailleur from the hanger, use the hanger adjustment tool to straighten it out and once I re-attach the derailleur it shifts perfectly again with no adjusting at all.
It does tho. Not all cassettes are built on the same tolerances and different brands might have different interpretations of the standards, so always check the limits.
Cable tension more often then not can be dialed on the derailleur as well.
Worn chains can impact shift performance, and sometimes adjusting tension or derailleur height can improve things.
These are things that aren’t noticed when everything is new and clean, but can slowly creep up as an issue.
So yes. I agree with your sentiment that a well set up derailleur should keep shifting, in practice it’s more nuanced.
Shit like this is why I will never own a derailleur bike again. Too much maintenance. I was constantly catching the derailleur on rocks and curbs and things like that, then having to do the finickiest mechanical work known to man. All just so I can go uphill slower?? Crazy technology!
So you're saying it's impossible to bend the derailelellueur enough for shifting to fail?
Why is it every time someone starts a sentence with "So you're saying.." it's then followed with misrepresentation of what was actually said?
No, that is not what I said. What I did say is that in the vast number of cases when your shifting is shit it's not because of bent derailleur or badly adjusted one but it's a bent derailleur hanger. That part is designed to bend specifically so that the derailleur itself doesn't.
I'm surprised when I talk to people and almost always hear that they bring their bike to a shop for maintenance and repair. I'm usually the strange one who do his own maintenance and repairs. So I can believe that most people bring their bike to a mechanic. The 90% figure still seems high though.
More than half of the guitarists I know take their guitar into the shop to change strings. That seems crazy to me but it’s been my (anecdotal) experience. I didn’t even know guitar center offered that as a service till I asked someone what gauge they preferred. The folk at the table were like, “whatever guitar center puts on”.
The full quote is, "A lot of them now will come to cycle shops for pretty much 90% of bike repairs." So not necessarily that 90% of people are coming in for every issue, but that there are people who rely on the shop for almost every issue.
I've learned a lot about bike repairs this year, and I've been volunteering as a mechanic at free bike repair events. It's been interesting going from the clueless customer asking for a "tune-up" to being the one asked for a tune-up. If you ride but don't have maintenance background you know that it's possible there might be some problematic, or even dangerous issue; but you have no idea what that might be. And if you can identify a problem, as far as you know any work you do might brake something in a way you don't understand. So I can understand people going to the shop frequently.
When my kids were younger, I got them to advertise bike fix Saturdays on my driveway. I got 10-12 bikes to 100% typically. Most popular bikes were just neglected or more commonly, not assembled correctly at the big box store by Todd. Fucking Todd...
But, most kids had no interest in learning how to fix a bike. These people will grow up and depend on others for everything, overpay or get ripped off.
I think it is fairly common for the average rider in a bikeable area. Like a car sure a lot of drivers know how to change a tire, a lot fewer change the oil or brakes. Computers arent hard to build but 90% of people buy something premade.
Totally anecdotal, but in my area, if you try to book an appointment at any local bike shop for a repair other than a flat tire, they'll give you a date a month away. We need more mechanics here too.
But I'm learning to do more on my own now.
In NL/BE it’s so bad that most settled bike shops won’t even plan your repair if the bike was not bought at that store. Why? Because there’s still more then enough work with only your own customers.
So you’d ask yourself, why don’t repair only places open? Because the knowledge required to start fixing bikes has evolved a lot with the multitude of e-bike systems, and moreover people already find the repair prices too expensive when the costs are slightly subsidized by the people buying bikes at the shop.
... why don’t repair only places open?
Thanks, I actually asked myself that very question recently. I wonder if just selling parts and doing repairs could replace the bike sales though?
I considered the idea of a mobile repair van instead of a shop too.
The problem with mobile repair is you drive around telling people their bikes are not worth repairing. People balk at a $60 bill on a $140 Walmart bike. Now with fuel prices Trumped, not a great business model. Unless, you can specialize in dentists bikes.
Around Toronto, mobile bike mechanics are quite popular, they have an entire shop in a van. But, they don't make much money because most bikes are not worth repairing and it's a seasonal job.
I used to volunteer at a co-op repairing bikes and running a repair course. When I couldn't teach the course one of the local mechanics would teach it, I don't know how any of them could survive on a single income
Well if you're volunteering, isn't that part of the problem? Stop fixing bikes for cheap. Charge people more. If cheap/free places no longer exist, you can make money as a bike mechanic.
That's just capitalism for you.
No one’s gonna rent a room on a bike mechanic salary.
That's because rent prices are extremely high, not because the salary is low.
there's no money in it
Not until you get drafted as mechanic on one of the big bicycle Formula 1 teams like red bull or McLaren OH WAIT
A reading from the book of the prophet Scott Biram:
Well you can spend all your life makin lots of money, but only Jesus gonna save you honey
Everyone thinks fixing a bike is simple until some ass hat routes cables through the headset
Anything related to repair is in demand, but not for the right pay. I quit doing my job--different field--to do something else. Got tired of it. I really enjoyed the morons that tried to fix it themselves or cut corners find out how expensive the bill is to fix their mistakes.
I do it all myself and just follow guides very slowly. Haven't had a problem in 7 years, not everyone that does DIY is a moron.
And some things don't need professional quality. Did my own plastering for some patches of wall. Is it as perfectly smooth as getting a plasterer in? Maybe not if you look very closely. So just stop looking so closely at the wall. Plus learnt for next time if I need to do it again I can probably do a somewhat better job.
I commend you for that. I have no problem with anyone fixing their own things. My only gripe is fixing other peoples mistakes. 35K espresso machine breaks, catastrophically, I spent a week fixing it as I've never seen this kind of damage. Then basically spent a few hours interrogating the customer if they changed the settings. Finally they cracked and said yes, the milk wasn't working so they turned it off. They didn't. So the entire system kept running and created calcification all throughout the path and blew out all the connectors on the boiler. I should have charged double for that experience; hence why I don't feel like doing that line of work anymore.
I worked as a mechanic in a bike shop for a few years: we were the Trek shop for the area. While there are plenty of things the average person can do and get pretty close to correct, there were soo many tickets that came in for botched repair jobs, stripped hardware, and shit setups.
I think everyone should be able to fix a flat tire and lubricate a drivetrain. But beyond that, bring it to a person who has the knowledge and very specific proprietary tools to do the job. It's possible you can use some pliers and a hammer to do what you're doing, but you'll probably damage components and then need to bring it to a shop anyway.
Yeah I was taught by a bunch of punks how to fix up old bikes including my own. Recently trued my wife's wheel
That is exactly how I got started! Your next step is to quit your corporate day job and apply at your LBS and then we'll be twins ; )
Curious where you're located that any shop is turning away repair work if you didn't buy it there.
I can lube a drivetrain but I cannot and I repeat cannot tune one. I tried and fucked my trek bike up. All the tutorials aren't helpful to me
I have been into 2 bike shops to ask if they stocked any chain wax. First one (Halfords) had no idea what that was and didn't stock it. The second (Local independent) immediately knew what I was asking about when I mentioned drip on being used to top it up between immersion dipping it in melted wax, just didn't have any stock of what I was specifically after.
Fair enough as it was a pretty small shop. But I know who I would trust more.
I know what you're talking about! I've been mixing paraffin wax and oil together and dipping my drivetrain for awhile. Did I mention I started as a hobby mechanic?
There is definitely a difference between a BSO retailer and a LBS, but also between shops for the different types of riding. Some shops specialize in mountain, some road, some commuting. I imagine that some are now even specializing in ebikes, but I haven't seen it with my own eyes in the wild. Go where the knowledge, tools, and parts are for your ride... which is probably the local independent :)
Yeah 99% of people have probably never heard of it, stop being a fancy snob. Most of us just oil our chains.
stop being a fancy snob
I don't think its being a fancy snob to expect a bike mechanic to be an expert on bikes. Look up anything about chain lubrication and you will very quickly see wax being mentioned as an option, its hardly some obscure bit of secret knowledge. Other major chain shops which sell bikes stock it too, like Decathlon. Its just that I can get to Halfords in under 10 minutes while Decathlon is about an hours ride away going through like 3 towns.
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