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[–] 68 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I'm autistic for reference. It's a thing for people to "become more autistic" after their diagnosis. There are a bunch of different reasons for this but I think a lot of it is feeling like you don't have to mask anymore, which is great, but there's a period of not really knowing who you are or how you want to present yourself anymore. Most of us eventually find a balance between our true selves and our masked selves. Autistic or not there are things we all need to do to be a part of a functioning society and we can't just do, act, or say whatever we want.

I don't know how you should handle your friend but they're obviously going through some sort of identity crisis. You said yourself you think the diagnosis is accurate so it's not like they're making things up. I'm sure they'll figure things it out in time. You're allowed to have your own needs and boundaries though so do what you need to do while they figure it out. Maybe just make sure they understand you're not abandoning them.

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  • [–] [S] 36 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Wow this was a great comment and it e:did change my perspective a bit thank you.

    It reminds me of my gay friends who came out in the '80s, and they became ridiculous for a few years, until they figured out that they don't need to play a role.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Got a late diagnosis myself too about 3 years ago and despite all diagnosis are followed by almost a full year of professional help I'm still figuring shit out. You realise you don't have to pretend anymore, don't have to mask everything. Like being an actor and suddenly you're no longer in the 24/7 years long movie. But this role or mask has been so intense for years that it feels like you're not you anymore because that mask has been what's staring back at you in the mirror. You've forgotten or repressed who you really are and have to find yourself again.

    Then there's the skill regression which can manifest in all kind of ways. In part I think because you don't really know yourself anymore since dropping the mask, and that makes you doubt everything (skills) about yourself. Your state of mind is changed. I've explained it to friends like playing pool in bars when you're drunk. You never play pool sober, only when you're at the bar, drinking, having fun, and the table is there. You can get quite good at it, you know how the que behaves after a few beers and this is your 'normal' for you playing pool. Now you signed up for a small local tournament, great! Problem is, you're standing there, people watching, expecting. But the tournament isn't in a bar, there's no beer, no shots, no way to get in that state of mind where you learned how to play pool well. Suddenly you're no longer the 'intoxicated pool player', you're just some sober grinning rando holding a pool que...

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Got a late diagnosis myself

    After OP's comment of friends coming out as gay in the 80s I misinterpreted the start of your comment as you being diagnosed gay.

    "I'm sorry to say, you have full blown gay, and it's fabulous. You'll have a few months to sort out your affairs."

    So, thanks for the unintentional giggle you gave me.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 month ago

    Thanks for your input.

    When I was reaching the frustration point my first feedback to her was that it's important for her to discover herself and live true to herself. And if the diagnosis helps her frame her understanding of herself, gives her a relief, helps explain the way she's felt, that's great.

    I don't know how to reinforce that message while also telling her to stop acting like an idiot.

    I'm not naive or callous, and I'm highly educated and mental health disorders as I do youth crisis work as just part of my career. I am perceptive enough as well to know that she is embellishing so much and I just need that aspect to tone down a bit in order for me to feel comfortable being around her.

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    [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    They freed themselves from the mask, and they're trying to find the real them. It will pass, give it some time. I ended up rewinding my life back to teen interests when I realized that that was the last time I felt truly like myself, and allowed those interests to grow and integrate into my other adult interests. That whole process took about half a year

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Since she recently got a diagnosis, I'm taking she's being regularly followed by a mental health professional? If so, to answer your question, I'd say ride it out and let the professionals do their thing, while maybe distancing yourself a bit since it's bothering you.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    "dude, quit mimicking a downs person. You may not clue in on it, but it's uncool to do. Now, what were the dinner plans again?" Or whatever the convo was; just redirect back in once you've clearly made the point without dwelling on it.

    Sooner is better.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    You can try to ask her how she feels about her diagnosis, what symptoms does she feel suits the diagnosis best for her, did she feel like she had to hide parts of herself before and what parts, are there any symptoms that she doesn't have that are common with autism. Questions to figure out what she thinks the diagnosis means and poke a little into if she feels like she has to put up a front in some way, or if these are just tics she's been hiding and perhaps some natural regression when getting diagnosed.

    You can also go for the more direct route, kinda prime her with "I know most autistic people prefer direct communication, can I speak honestly to you even if it may sound a bit harsh?", and then explain that you noticed she has changed her behaviour drastically since being diagnosed and you're worried that she's not being her authentic self but instead trying to fit into some stereotype, especiallywith actinglike she doesn'tunderstandthings that she used to understand.

    Or just call attention to it in the moment (when you are alone!) if she's acting dumber than she is, like "you used to be able to solve/understand this, why do you not understand it now?" or "why are you doing that thing with your face? You've never done it before, is everything okay?" or "you're being quite loud right now, can you please adjust the volume?" or whatever the specific thing is that is grating.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    You are their close friend, and your friend is going through a very tough time in their young life, as much of a core experience as a person can have, and they need love and guidance, not abandonment. Modeling that on both sides would be detrimental for life.

    Talk to your friend, feel their feelings, and help them in their next steps. Perhaps that's already happening with her family. They've certainly noticed this odd behavior, too. As her friend, perhaps you should meet them, and help support whatever strategy they are following, or if there even is a strategy. They may be overwhelmed, too, and may welcome your assistance.

    Or maybe not. Be prepared for that, too.

    Be her friend, don't quit on her, and someday, she won't quit on you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Man, as an Autistic person who has, how can I put this diplomatically, been perceived as having DS by those who are unaware? (I have a big head and the tendency to mumble and indulge in Echolalia) This is a whole ass vibe

    In my experience there’s not much to be done, you can’t talk them out of these displayed behaviors cognitively if they didn’t come across these behaviors cognitively eg

    *were they evaluated for DS in the past?

    I had a fellow autistic schoolmate who was evaluated for schizophrenia before they were diagnosed as autistic, so they tended to interpret things in that lens, like if someone is having a meltdown, to an outsider does it present that much different if they’re have an overwhelming sensory moment, ‘hearing a voice’ or say, having a seizure?

    *have they socially interacted with someone with DS?

    I’ve seen it been super common for autistic peers to pick up ticks/phrases from others without even realizing it, even if the interaction was years ago

    And probably the last step would be exposure, if there is a person with DS in your social setting who would be negatively effected by your friends actions, could you talk with their family/any supporting people that have about introducing your friend to them?

    And if not, then their actions seem to mainly be stressing you, and maybe you should decide if your friendship with them is benefiting you both equally and should continue

    Not to dump this in your lap or say that you have to be the one to do something or change, but in my experience you’re going to have more luck engineering a situation where they figure it out themselves, than changing their mind with an argument

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, they've had the full battery of tests, and presenting ASD symptoms for the most part.

    I don't necessarily want to bend them into changing, part of it will be me adapting to their New freedom to live closer to who they are without masking. But they've gone bonkers over the top exaggerating and I need to talk to them somehow.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Gather the courage to tell them what you're telling us in a polite way. In my mind, there's no other way around it.

    A good friend will confront their bullshit in a loving way.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Okay so how do you suggest I say it?

    I don't want to focus on how ridiculous her behavior is, that is going to make her defensive and double down.

    I want to encourage her to discover and be who she is with out trying to fit inside some ridiculous imagined box that she has currently decided to shove herself into.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    What kinds of behaviors do you want to reinforce? What do you want less of? Is it possible to get more of the good stuff and less of the bad stuff in your current context?

    If yes, try it.

    If no, I think this is a matter of acceptance. It’s really unfortunate.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 month ago

    They do not have the mask so they are free to express more of their true self if they wish. So I would like to encourage that.

    I would like to discourage the person from embodying various stereotypes in their worst forms. They don't have to pretend they have DS, and act like a braying half-wit ignoramus, which is not what DS people are anyways.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Start acting like you have Downs Syndrome as well when you’re around her. See how she likes it.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Or start acting like an axe weilding homicidal maniac, see how she likes THAT

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Actually useless comment, grow up.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Which part was immature and why?

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Because honestly, and I'm not trying to sound rude even though it's going to be blunt, that is the type of 10-year-old mentality that we see from reddit, where every single problem is solved by walking away. A mature person knows that relationships and human beings are complicated, and we must afford each other allowances and lenience.

    A mature person does not automatically walk away from a person they have known for a decade, just because that person is experiencing some change in their life and some challenges.

    A mature person does not abandon someone when they are going through mental health issues.

    A mature person looks how they can act like a friend, and work with the other person, versus taking the view that the minute something becomes annoying or inconvenient, the answer is to walk.

    The idea that you would come and just snap off such a reply without taking any chance to explore the situation or offer a possible solution shows how useless and immature it is.

    Stop talking to me after this please.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    You asked for advice. Your friend has become an annoying poser. Walk away. That’s the advice. Either accept that people will try and help you who they see fit- or don’t ask for advice

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Before you lecture me, why don't you read what I posted, where you can see that I do not want to walk away and I'm asking specifically to discuss how to NOT do that, dunce.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Sometimes what you want, and what’s good for you aren’t the same thing.

    Next time, consider this before asking for advice. People are trying to help. You shouldn’t be an ass because you don’t like what they suggest.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Consider fucking off.

    Because you didn't read the post, and you're useless.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Seems your friend needs to walk away from you.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Careful everyone, this kid isn’t asking for honest advice and will go hostile on you if you don’t properly advise them in a way that they approve.

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