it is funny people who get all like defunding ice is crazy but we got by without it for most of this countries history.
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Man it's crazy to listen to competent people speak after dealing with American leadership for the past two years. Why did the adults ever let the geriatric children run the circus...smh
Two years? I still remember Bush II
It's funny how progressive his pre-9/11 immigration policy goals were. He wanted to fast track citizenship so they could pay taxes like everyone else.
I think his being dumb was an act to be disarming. His "fool me once," bit actually highlighted this because mid sentence he realized he would be giving the media a great sound bite of him saying "shame on me."
Not the Bush 1 administration???
That too.
Anyone who thinks politics has become stupid in the last couple years is just wrong.
Hell, Ford fell off stages so much it was a bit on SNL
You won't get fooled again!
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." - George Bush
This man's as deep as a puddle.
Why did the adults ever let the geriatric children run the circus...smh
Because most of them weren't geriatric when they got in decades ago. They just never left.
The Boomers have been in the way of absolutely everyone ever since, refusing to get out of the way and always with the "fuck you, I got mine" attitude.
the DNC allows her, because it takes the pressure and bad PR off of the old guard Dems like schumer, booker, and jefferies(and the rest of the Dinos)
She turns it on and off like a spigot, all depending on which Deporter in Chief is in the Oval Office.


I know ignorance would read its head in the comments.
edit: Oh, it's you. I blocked you before. I guess shit bubbles to the top. Let's try that again.
Deporting itself isn't bad. Deporting immigrants that contribute to community is bad for everyone.
An important piece to handle this right is to have enough immigration judges that can determine who should be deported and who is allowed to stay. US historically has shortages in that area. During Biden a bill was about to pass to address this and many other issues. It had bipartisan support, everyone thought it most likely will pass, until candidate trump stepped in and basically made Republicans not vote for it, because he needed the immigration crisis.
One, it could be used for campaign (see, we now already see immigration caravan, it is like a clockwork, always right before elections), two, expanding ICE and converting it to personal army wouldn't have buy in.
Now we have masked larpers going after old, women and children, like in Nazi Germany, they even built concentration camps (note, I did not say death camps, lookup concentration camps in dictionary, it is exactly that, people are confined without access to courts).
And as in Nazi Germany the group of people that ICE will go after will gradually expand.
What do you see when you look at this?
🫰NOT the thirst trap congresswoman. 👋 The chart, what do you see?

Trump is looking like he'll top one million. He did it. He beat Obama's record. 🎉🙄
All Presidents are scum.
America was NEVER "great".
Ok so what does your pretty picture have to do with the matter at hand
AOC makes a big deal about ICE and deportations when Trump is in office. But when Democrats do it, suddenly she doesn't seem to care.
So is the implied "argument" here that ICE is just as evil under Democrat presidents as it is under Trump?
I think people who rape, torture, kidnap, steal, and deport others are evil, no matter who their boss is.
Cool, that's fair. But it also makes it hard to have nuanced conversations about the organizations doing all of that evil shit way more under certain bosses.
I'm not sure about that. One boss does it out in the open, and gets opposition. The other does it more discretely, and gets very little pushback.
Do you have sources showing ICE having a problem with rape, torture and kidnapping under previous administrations?
Jesus fuck how am I the one "defending" ICE here?
We know Obama deported more people. Most of us are aware of that, and it's a major criticism that we have of him. But Obama followed the law and due process, and I'm not aware of the systemic issues you're referring to happening under him.
Under Trump it's literally the point.
If you cannot tell the difference, then maybe you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Do you have sources showing ICE having a problem with rape, torture and kidnapping under previous administrations?
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/how-much-sexual-abuse-gets-lost-in-detention/
Jesus fuck how am I the one “defending” ICE here?
I don't find that surprising at all. I frequently see Libs defending the same policies that they critizise under Republicans, as long as the Blue Team is the one doing it. Partisianship matters more than policy to them, it would seem.
But Obama followed the law and due process, and I’m not aware of the systemic issues you’re referring to happening under him.
If you cannot tell the difference, then maybe you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
I can tell the difference: One openly admits that they don't care, the other pretends that they are going to fix it, but quitely keeps perpetuating it.
Unfortunately, wanting to take away people's voting rights for having the audacity of pointing out factually correct information is what I've come to expect from Libs.
It's so incredibly disingenuous to pretend that any of that is the same as what's happening right now. And I'm certain you know that it's different and it's fucking foul that you you're so ok with lying like this. You should be ashamed.
I'm not a fucking lib, I've got eyes and a brain. There's a difference between individual (awful) isolated events, and systemic and purposeful abuse at an administrative level.
"How dare you provide the data that I explicitly asked for, even though it was easily available?!? This is completely different, and your a bad person for making me defend ICE. Also, it's not relevent, because reasons!"
If not lib, why lib rhetoric?
Do you know what systemic means?
Yeah, things like:
- DHS Office of Inspector General (OIG) failed to investigate more than 97 percent of reports of sexual abuse
- ..the Officer of the Inspector General received more than 33,000 reports of sexual and/or physical abuse against various DHS agencies... the OIG initiated investigations into only 247 — or less than one percent...
- Of the 900, four grievances were resolved in favor of the detainee. There is no indication as to what the grievances were about or whether any of these were forwarded to oversight agencies in Washington, D.C.
- But the Obama administration excluded immigration detention centers from proposed rules to comply with PREA earlier this year.
And if you had bothered to read what I posted, you would have known that. You could also do some basic research on your own. Those are results that I got from less than 10 minutes worth of searching, there's plenty more out there.
Good on you for blocking them. You wouldn't want to have to deal with any facts or data that would make you question the people who professionally lie to you. That'd be just terrible.
Can't someone make a Tesseract ban list except for MAGA trash that accidentally gets lost and wanders into Lemmy? And then host it on github with a script to somehow add it via a terminal? I'm tired of having to manually block these horrible evil people.
Opposing deportations is hardly "MAGA".
You lost the plot.

Boy has Republican propaganda been working overtime on AOC over the years. Just mention her name around a Republican and watch the Pavlovian response. It's almost like you physically hit them. They don't know why they hate her but they have just been told over and over that they do and should. Those running the propaganda are very afraid of her.
I knew she was a serious person when Nancy Pelosi threw a tantrum after her election. Pelosi is like Trump, if you make her nervous, you're doing something right.
they also fetishize her too.
Same with Bernie Sanders (a few years ago mostly). I once mentioned Bernie as part of a funny story I was telling... and man, the whole fucking thing derailed as soon as I said his name. I wasn't even being political, I was just making fun of myself and someone else. It became the definition of "practically foaming at the mouth"... they were triggered just like a Pavlov experiment. It was kinda nuts, ngl
It was confusing, jarring, annoying, and highly ironic all at the same time. They had no individual thought or opinion; crazy
It's why she will probably never be able to be President. They see her as a threat just like they did Clinton. They spent 20 years demonizing Hilary Clinton prior to her running for President, and because the Dems ran her anyway we got Trump. They've been doing the same thing with AOC.
Obama was able to become President because he was an amazing orator who the country had never paid attention to, and the GOP wasn't prepared. John McCain was the best Candidate the GOP ever ran, and he didn't have a chance against Obama because the GOP didn't have a playbook for dealing with a strong, unknown candidate who could speak coherently.
Except that AOC has principles and speaks the truth. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
that does't win the presidency though, look at who is the current president.
That's the same machine that had been running against the Clintons for decades by the time Hillary ran for 2016. I doubt they had to spend a dime on convincing their base not to vote for her because they were already primed to see her as the devil incarnate. They just had to sway a few independents and they were good to go.
It's why I'm genuinely concerned that AOC might never get a fair shot at the presidency. Maybe if the GOP falls apart post-Trump like some are speculating she could win out against a fractured opposition, but I still worry about that visceral reaction from years of conservative media demonizing her.
The correlation of datacenters being built and ice funding being increased.
The correlation of social disruption and stoking fears... Testing police against people in 2020. Knowing they now they shouldn't use the police for the objective at hand here, which is creating modern surveillance and profiling and policing infrastructure. So they boosted immigration drama... Now they have a force that won't tarnish regular police or national guard or military.
Trump is the fall guy president, while feds work the background growth of surveillance infrastructure. Once it's finished we will have shiney too good to believe democrate marketed to save us.
Ice is the fall guy to use for force if trouble arrives and gets in the way of the feds objectives.
People act like it's purely a left vs right thing but I think the reality is much darker and that this is all on purpose for an objective that the feds believe we need to maintain as a nation. The past 20 years feels like an orchestrated objective. Ai and surveillance is the modern nuclear arms race. Feds have sacrificed regular citizens for less.
The division and consolidation of the left and right is all on purpose. Every person that chooses the left and right and their marketed extremism, both being an arm of the same monster, is one less person living for honest genuine humanity and it's natural path.
There's a game above the nations they don't want people to understand they are free to play. The nations are tools for the people that understand the real game. Arguably you aren't really in touch with reality if you not taking the full spectrum into account. Instead most are basically like a caged toddler escaping reality with an iPad while the adults play the real game, manipulating lifestyles and politics to lead ours lives down a path that's not naturally our true genuine lifepath.
There's been whistle blowers for decades... From the streets to the CIA.
Truth is not measured in mass appeal. American and 1st world success is not a measure of one's human worth.
She's right. Republicans would have never allowed the infrastructure to constantly surveil citizens to be built in the USA if it weren't brought in using some racist Trojan horse. But now what?
Oh cmon, that's not true.
They would've allowed it anyway because cops can use it to track their ex-wives and they could also start tracking when pregnant women go to blue states if they don't already (they probably do tbh).
The Democrat Party are also guilty for allowing it. Don’t kid yourself. They’re not our friends.
Yeah, the one who called this out is just as guilty as the ones who put it there! /s
When did Biden warn ICE was going to be a paramilitary terror force? Look at the last acts he did before leaving office, one of them was opening up several large detention centers for ICE. The Republicans push the racist agenda and Democrats quietly supply the infrastructure and do nothing to pushback when they have the opportunity.
the ones who put it there
I think you should take some time to research and understand that vast difference in budget and in mandate between the ICE Obama inherited from Bush and the one he turned over to Trump before you go saying silly things like that.
AOC took office after Obama was out of office.
And she and Obama are part of the same party, beholden to the same donor class, and following the same leadership.
Not to mention that Obama built cages for immigrant kids in which they’re forced to live in hostile environments & will most likely never see their parents again.
Actions always speaks louder than words on camera, Sunflier.
Republicans would have traditionally been the ones to put up a larger protest about this. As long as the Democratic Party are nice to trans people, they are my friends... barely, but still friends. But yes, both parties are beholden to wealthy people with agendas that include more surveillance and restrictions.
Well ICE did say "stop, collaborat, and listen"
Guess they all collaborated.
We knew this was the case since The Patriot Act (at least).
Twelve years of Democratic presidency, did they get rid of this obviously redundant agency? No. What about Republicans, they are for smaller government, right? did they get rid of this redundant agency?
No.
Instead, they all borrowed money to keep this and so much more funded.
I miss Russ Feingold who ran on a platform of being against the PATRIOT ACT.
Yeah, exactly. It's hard for me to listen to any Democrat bluster as if they are in partnership with their colleagues and what is considered a separate party, but we all know better.


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