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[–] 150 points 1 month ago (10 children)

Part of me thinks is this just performative nonsense that will always have enormous holes in it, like Prohibition.

Scanning "your" face to prove your age is really just scanning a face.

But I also worry about successive noose tightening.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Nah. They want to be an essential service for games.
    Verified users of appropriate age.
    Integrated game chat.
    Integrated game VoIP.
    All appropriate-for-age.

    Can't develop your own moderation? Just pay discord.

    So many companies will pay massive sums to outsource chat/VoIP/age-verification/moderation to discord.
    And discord is already the "goto" gaming community provider.

    Oh, and shop stuff.
    Gift (buy) a friend a cool cosmetic through discord. Already has the community connections. Just needs the reason for games to tightly integrate it (moderation, chat, VoIP, age verification).

    It is absolutely a positioning move

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Part of me agrees and the other part thinks it’s going to go the way of the automobile.

    Everyone needs a license, issued from big brother, to use the public service.

    Or else!

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    People using Discord badly are very unlikely to kill random bystanders.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    We could go back and forth all day on this, but just watch out for the government trying to claim “you need an ID for this because the anonymous people online can hurt you”.

    They’ll find a way to justify it, by some string of twisted logic that makes it equivalent to killing someone in an accident. It’ll probably be about protecting the kids, it’s always about protecting the kids.

    Oh well, I think we’re on the same side here. I joined the EFF!

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    "The government", because only the US exists and matters...

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  • [–] 45 points 1 month ago

    The way age verification is being pushed feels more like wanting to setting up checkpoints on the edge of a city versus just checking Id's before going into a specific establishment.

    I just don't see how this isn't a national login system trying to masquerade itself in a poorly fitting "think of the children!" sheep's skin.

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  • [–] 78 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    It shouldn't be up to discord or any other internet entity to verify the age of its users.

    Parents. Parents should be monitoring their child's Internet usage.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Say it one more time for the dumbasses in the back row!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Listen we can't have people thinking they can have some sort of responsibility to function in the world. That might give them the bright idea that they can start judging for themselves the state of the world and to demand some kind of accountability. They might even clue in to the problems that the tech monopolies are purposely causing, along with the social ills that come with it.

    We can't have that at all.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The internet will become ID verified to protect the kids or terrorism or what ever other reason they feel like. It won't solve the problems it is claimed to help. But if you have unauthorized opinions against government backed genocides then you are marked as a terrorist.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    They should, but they’re exhausted and they can’t even be bothered to read or help with homework so this will go badly. The only ones winning are the predators.

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  • [+] 94 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (29 children)
  • [–] 58 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Open source is the way. It always amuses me when people move from one proprietary system to a different one, since the new one always ends up having the same issues.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago

    That's because privatized companies spend money to promote their products while open source largely grows through word of mouth. The average person doesn't know about the issues of proprietary software nor the existence of an open source alternative, they just use whatever everyone else uses and everyone else ends up using whatever gets successfully marketed.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The new one usually won't have the same issues at first, but they'll have the same opportunities and motivations that lead to the issues. People will see a different provider and say they're not doing the bad things, and they'll be correct for a few years maybe, but then it becomes a struggle to get them to switch to the next thing. This whole problem would mostly be solved with open-source alternatives instead.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    The thing with age verification is that it's a legal requirement, so they're all going to have to do it.

    Running an online service with a lot of users is very expensive, too. All these proprietary services eventually realise that they need revenue in order to continue operating. That's one of the reasons why decentralized, federated services are the way to go - everyone runs their own small community, so there's no one company or person that has to cover an enormous bill.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    That's why I think we should start teaching FOSS Linux as the first operating systems Kids are exposed to. It's neutral ground in the sense that no one company owns and controls it, and the things they learn will help them understand why things are the way they are, not just what the latest marketing-hype "feature" is.

    Someone I know went to a university that ran off Linux and I'm jealous of the comprehensive Linux 101 they got. It took me years to learn some of that stuff.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Shout out to Matrix, which is federated, self hostable, open source, and supports end to end encryption.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Matrix is a bit of a shit show and also isn’t a discord alternative to begin with.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I've been using Matrix for over a decade now. How is it a shitshow?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    I wouldn’t call it a shit show, they were first in E2E encrypted collaborative messaging platforms and get all the hits. Moderation turned out to be incompatible with E2E encryption. People kicked out of channels can still decrypt because keys revocation hasn’t been made.

    Matrix server is a resource hog and a mess, and the protocol has never took off to spark alternative implementations.

    Encryption doesn’t scale well for big channels.

    They got many things right, but got crippled by many things they couldn’t possibly predict.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago

    Matrix is a bit of a shit show

    How so?

    and also isn’t a discord alternative to begin with

    It absolutely is. A "Space" is the equivalent to a Discord "server". It's not perfect and polished, but it does the job. I've been using it rather than Discord with my gaming group for a year now.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (14 children)
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    hmm I thought they leaned relatively against AI slop. Wouldn't this be because they were working on it privately or something for quite some time?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    It's 11 million lines of fucking code. 11 MILLION LINES.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    This commit was the refactor commit from the private dev flow to the open source repo. The process basically added a lot of files and deleted a bunch as well. it was long overdue but I wouldn't expect constant 11m line code changes

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You really don't understand what 11m lines of code is. Only a collective of humans over many years can create 11m lines of code. It is an absolute batshit insane amout of code.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    yea 11m changes is quite a bit at once but, I wouldn't expect a constant change like that. After all, the monorepo itself is a little over 3m lines, 1.37m of it being lang/locale files for every language for its front end, 600k of it is comments, and 1.5m is the rest of it.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    Wow, I thought the actual functional part was around 1m. I am going to check the loc to see if it makes sense in my second language, LLMs are pretty consistent on their translation errors.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    It's obviously some kind of code reorganization, restructuring or reformating, don't be paranoid

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    A refactoring would have a relatively similar number of subtractions as additions. This is almost entirely additions. This is not just refactoring.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Not necessarily. Huge additions without matching deletions often happen during restructurings like vendorizing dependencies, importing external packages, generating bindings, or migrating private repos into a monorepo. In these cases new code canbbe introduced to repository and there will be no corresponding deletions in commit history.

    I've did similar restructurings myself, eg. Making automatically generated resources static

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You have no idea what 11 million likes of code is do you? LibreOffice is 11m, Android is 12m, MySQL is 10m. Those projects took years to code not 9 months. I am going to have to ask you to stay in your lane, and I pray that is not Software Engineering.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    I’m not sure why you’re being so hostile, but you're fundamentally confusing a codebase's hand-written LoC with Git commit additions.

    Nobody is saying someone authored 11M lines. Commit fa3e8525 was a workspace reconciliation - importing external repository code, dependencies, and assets into the public repo for the first time, so exactly the type of thing I was talking about. Git counts all imported lines as additions.

    Before asking others to "stay in their lane", maybe make sure you understand how Git history handles repository imports and dependency tracking. Have a good day.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I've been using Fluxer and self hosting Fluxcord to sync my discord server with Fluxer, it's going great.

    https://fluxer.app/

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Those people might be unhappy, but most of them will still refuse to move from the platform.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Yeah, I know a couple of mods whose servers are in a bit of an uproar.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    The “unofficial” Arch Linux discord server is inviting/encouraging their members to move to their Fluxer instance. Hopefully that’s a trend that will start.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Fluxer has been an adequate replacement for Discord for my TTRPG group. Been using it since March and it has gotten better every month.

    I have no illusions that they may one day become as shitty, but for now it works. And the fact that it's open source and self host able gives me some hope.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Ngl the fact it cannot be found on F-droid is very suss. Beta on mobile is Google Play only...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    The mobile app has been their main focus past month or so. It just came to the app store beta literally yesterday, before that you had to download the apk from their github. It's come a looong way and is extremely usable.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    And how exactly were we expecting it to go? 'Kind of bad'? 🤣

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    The same day I saw Discord's age verifying message, I uninstalled the app and moved to Matrix (to be fair, I was already on Matrix)

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    For those interested you can find alternatives to Discord and any other software on AlternativeTo.net But here are some of the standouts I have found:

    • Armada https://armada.buzz/: End to End Encrypted Messaging with Discord Import and similar UI, comms for gaming, Voice and Video Calling, and App and Desktop Streaming at full capability. No Phone # or Email required. Can be self hosted and is Open Source. Win/Linux/Mobile versions Ready to go now.
    • Fluxer https://fluxer.app/: As the webpage states "Free and open source chat for friends, groups, and communities, with text, voice, video, screen sharing, and self-hosting." and while functional, they have ramped up development to add guides for self hosting and mobile clients that aren't released yet, and have an ambitious roadmap on their blog. You have to use 3rd party bridging apps for importing Discord Servers.
    • Stoat (Formally Revolt) https://stoat.chat/: Another Open Source alternative that you can host your own, but at this time servers aren't connected and they want to do it through Federation, or in other words like email servers, so users can browse public servers. They are early days on the desktop and video sharing as well but they users like it so much and development team is so reachable that donations more than pay for the community service and development. Uses an open web app so anywhere you can get a modern browser to work has access.
    • VoltChat https://voltagechat.app/: A platform similar to the previously mentioned Armada, but using its own decentralized federated platform.
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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    I don't want to sound like a downer, but I'm skeptical about Armada: never heard of it before, repo created last June, tons of features implemented in that short span and already "ready to go"... Seems like it has been heavily vibe-coded.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Or it could be a dedicated team of coders using AI to generate code for them to review based on already existing encryption and platform packages. At this point only time will tell. I just put it out as an example... I can no more defend its security or the codebase of it or any other of the alternatives I listed. These just stood out to me from the others on AlternativeTo.net.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Going to add one more: Steam.

    Steam has a built-in voice chat and chat channels for your friends.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    It depends on what you are using Discord for and replacing. While Steam has Video Sharing and voice and text chat, that is only part of what I use Discord for and it would be lacking for me, not to mention it isn't all available in one place in the UI. For others all they did with discord was make a text channel and a voice channel and used it and then Steam would be a drop in replacement that they already have.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Anyone looking for a lightweight self hosted alternative to discord might want to check out sharkord. Its less about large communities and more about a private space to chat with friends, that you have complete privacy and control with.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Isn’t this their third attempt?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    I recommend Stoat, it can be selfhosted, open source, there is no shady company behind it, and it works well. There even is top-notch noise filtering, which I found very important for voice calls.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    I have a hard time assigning countries to open source projects since anyone can contribute. No idea whether the core devs are russian. Their online communication and documentation is completely in english and their domains are american.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Do they have voice calls now?

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