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[+] Dare_pd@lemmy.world 94 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (29 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 29 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 58 points 1 month ago (4 children) Open source is the way. It always amuses me when people move from one proprietary system to a different one, since the new one always ends up having the same issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 32 points 1 month ago That's because privatized companies spend money to promote their products while open source largely grows through word of mouth. The average person doesn't know about the issues of proprietary software nor the existence of an open source alternative, they just use whatever everyone else uses and everyone else ends up using whatever gets successfully marketed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago (1 child) The new one usually won't have the same issues at first, but they'll have the same opportunities and motivations that lead to the issues. People will see a different provider and say they're not doing the bad things, and they'll be correct for a few years maybe, but then it becomes a struggle to get them to switch to the next thing. This whole problem would mostly be solved with open-source alternatives instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 1 month ago The thing with age verification is that it's a legal requirement, so they're all going to have to do it. Running an online service with a lot of users is very expensive, too. All these proprietary services eventually realise that they need revenue in order to continue operating. That's one of the reasons why decentralized, federated services are the way to go - everyone runs their own small community, so there's no one company or person that has to cover an enormous bill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* That's why I think we should start teaching FOSS Linux as the first operating systems Kids are exposed to. It's neutral ground in the sense that no one company owns and controls it, and the things they learn will help them understand why things are the way they are, not just what the latest marketing-hype "feature" is. Someone I know went to a university that ran off Linux and I'm jealous of the comprehensive Linux 101 they got. It took me years to learn some of that stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dingleberrylover@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago I’ve been eyeing Fluxer for quite a while now. Once they roll out the update where they want to overhaul and streamline the selfhosting part, my friends and I are going to switch permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago (7 children) Shout out to Matrix, which is federated, self hostable, open source, and supports end to end encryption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (6 children) Matrix is a bit of a shit show and also isn’t a discord alternative to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 month ago Matrix is a Discord alternative, but not a Discord clone permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (3 children) I've been using Matrix for over a decade now. How is it a shitshow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] xiii@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) I wouldn’t call it a shit show, they were first in E2E encrypted collaborative messaging platforms and get all the hits. Moderation turned out to be incompatible with E2E encryption. People kicked out of channels can still decrypt because keys revocation hasn’t been made. Matrix server is a resource hog and a mess, and the protocol has never took off to spark alternative implementations. Encryption doesn’t scale well for big channels. They got many things right, but got crippled by many things they couldn’t possibly predict. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago I had never used Matrix outside direct messaging so I was unaware of the lack of key revocation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Zagorath 20 points 1 month ago Matrix is a bit of a shit show How so? and also isn’t a discord alternative to begin with It absolutely is. A "Space" is the equivalent to a Discord "server". It's not perfect and polished, but it does the job. I've been using it rather than Discord with my gaming group for a year now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] northertech@fedia.io 23 points 1 month ago (14 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] beegnyoshi@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago (12 children) hmm I thought they leaned relatively against AI slop. Wouldn't this be because they were working on it privately or something for quite some time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 14 points 1 month ago (11 children) It's 11 million lines of fucking code. 11 MILLION LINES. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago* (3 children) This commit was the refactor commit from the private dev flow to the open source repo. The process basically added a lot of files and deleted a bunch as well. it was long overdue but I wouldn't expect constant 11m line code changes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You really don't understand what 11m lines of code is. Only a collective of humans over many years can create 11m lines of code. It is an absolute batshit insane amout of code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) yea 11m changes is quite a bit at once but, I wouldn't expect a constant change like that. After all, the monorepo itself is a little over 3m lines, 1.37m of it being lang/locale files for every language for its front end, 600k of it is comments, and 1.5m is the rest of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago Wow, I thought the actual functional part was around 1m. I am going to check the loc to see if it makes sense in my second language, LLMs are pretty consistent on their translation errors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (6 children) It's obviously some kind of code reorganization, restructuring or reformating, don't be paranoid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] nulluser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (5 children) A refactoring would have a relatively similar number of subtractions as additions. This is almost entirely additions. This is not just refactoring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children) Not necessarily. Huge additions without matching deletions often happen during restructurings like vendorizing dependencies, importing external packages, generating bindings, or migrating private repos into a monorepo. In these cases new code canbbe introduced to repository and there will be no corresponding deletions in commit history. I've did similar restructurings myself, eg. Making automatically generated resources static permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago* Yeah, some projects also ditch external dependencies to make their own permalink fedilink source parent [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You have no idea what 11 million likes of code is do you? LibreOffice is 11m, Android is 12m, MySQL is 10m. Those projects took years to code not 9 months. I am going to have to ask you to stay in your lane, and I pray that is not Software Engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* I’m not sure why you’re being so hostile, but you're fundamentally confusing a codebase's hand-written LoC with Git commit additions. Nobody is saying someone authored 11M lines. Commit fa3e8525 was a workspace reconciliation - importing external repository code, dependencies, and assets into the public repo for the first time, so exactly the type of thing I was talking about. Git counts all imported lines as additions. Before asking others to "stay in their lane", maybe make sure you understand how Git history handles repository imports and dependency tracking. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dare_pd@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 1 point 2 weeks ago Clone it and checkout a commit from March. I have read far more code in that project than you have. That particular code base is part of a joke with friends. The only person that is going to change your mind is you. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] fake@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago Holy fuck! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan@upvote.au 58 points 1 month ago (4 children) Open source is the way. It always amuses me when people move from one proprietary system to a different one, since the new one always ends up having the same issues. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 32 points 1 month ago That's because privatized companies spend money to promote their products while open source largely grows through word of mouth. The average person doesn't know about the issues of proprietary software nor the existence of an open source alternative, they just use whatever everyone else uses and everyone else ends up using whatever gets successfully marketed. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago (1 child) The new one usually won't have the same issues at first, but they'll have the same opportunities and motivations that lead to the issues. People will see a different provider and say they're not doing the bad things, and they'll be correct for a few years maybe, but then it becomes a struggle to get them to switch to the next thing. This whole problem would mostly be solved with open-source alternatives instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 1 month ago The thing with age verification is that it's a legal requirement, so they're all going to have to do it. Running an online service with a lot of users is very expensive, too. All these proprietary services eventually realise that they need revenue in order to continue operating. That's one of the reasons why decentralized, federated services are the way to go - everyone runs their own small community, so there's no one company or person that has to cover an enormous bill. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* That's why I think we should start teaching FOSS Linux as the first operating systems Kids are exposed to. It's neutral ground in the sense that no one company owns and controls it, and the things they learn will help them understand why things are the way they are, not just what the latest marketing-hype "feature" is. Someone I know went to a university that ran off Linux and I'm jealous of the comprehensive Linux 101 they got. It took me years to learn some of that stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 32 points 1 month ago That's because privatized companies spend money to promote their products while open source largely grows through word of mouth. The average person doesn't know about the issues of proprietary software nor the existence of an open source alternative, they just use whatever everyone else uses and everyone else ends up using whatever gets successfully marketed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago (1 child) The new one usually won't have the same issues at first, but they'll have the same opportunities and motivations that lead to the issues. People will see a different provider and say they're not doing the bad things, and they'll be correct for a few years maybe, but then it becomes a struggle to get them to switch to the next thing. This whole problem would mostly be solved with open-source alternatives instead. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 1 month ago The thing with age verification is that it's a legal requirement, so they're all going to have to do it. Running an online service with a lot of users is very expensive, too. All these proprietary services eventually realise that they need revenue in order to continue operating. That's one of the reasons why decentralized, federated services are the way to go - everyone runs their own small community, so there's no one company or person that has to cover an enormous bill. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 1 month ago The thing with age verification is that it's a legal requirement, so they're all going to have to do it. Running an online service with a lot of users is very expensive, too. All these proprietary services eventually realise that they need revenue in order to continue operating. That's one of the reasons why decentralized, federated services are the way to go - everyone runs their own small community, so there's no one company or person that has to cover an enormous bill. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* That's why I think we should start teaching FOSS Linux as the first operating systems Kids are exposed to. It's neutral ground in the sense that no one company owns and controls it, and the things they learn will help them understand why things are the way they are, not just what the latest marketing-hype "feature" is. Someone I know went to a university that ran off Linux and I'm jealous of the comprehensive Linux 101 they got. It took me years to learn some of that stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dingleberrylover@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago I’ve been eyeing Fluxer for quite a while now. Once they roll out the update where they want to overhaul and streamline the selfhosting part, my friends and I are going to switch permalink fedilink source parent
[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago (7 children) Shout out to Matrix, which is federated, self hostable, open source, and supports end to end encryption. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (6 children) Matrix is a bit of a shit show and also isn’t a discord alternative to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 month ago Matrix is a Discord alternative, but not a Discord clone permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (3 children) I've been using Matrix for over a decade now. How is it a shitshow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] xiii@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) I wouldn’t call it a shit show, they were first in E2E encrypted collaborative messaging platforms and get all the hits. Moderation turned out to be incompatible with E2E encryption. People kicked out of channels can still decrypt because keys revocation hasn’t been made. Matrix server is a resource hog and a mess, and the protocol has never took off to spark alternative implementations. Encryption doesn’t scale well for big channels. They got many things right, but got crippled by many things they couldn’t possibly predict. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago I had never used Matrix outside direct messaging so I was unaware of the lack of key revocation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Zagorath 20 points 1 month ago Matrix is a bit of a shit show How so? and also isn’t a discord alternative to begin with It absolutely is. A "Space" is the equivalent to a Discord "server". It's not perfect and polished, but it does the job. I've been using it rather than Discord with my gaming group for a year now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (6 children) Matrix is a bit of a shit show and also isn’t a discord alternative to begin with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 month ago Matrix is a Discord alternative, but not a Discord clone permalink fedilink source parent [–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (3 children) I've been using Matrix for over a decade now. How is it a shitshow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] xiii@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) I wouldn’t call it a shit show, they were first in E2E encrypted collaborative messaging platforms and get all the hits. Moderation turned out to be incompatible with E2E encryption. People kicked out of channels can still decrypt because keys revocation hasn’t been made. Matrix server is a resource hog and a mess, and the protocol has never took off to spark alternative implementations. Encryption doesn’t scale well for big channels. They got many things right, but got crippled by many things they couldn’t possibly predict. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago I had never used Matrix outside direct messaging so I was unaware of the lack of key revocation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Zagorath 20 points 1 month ago Matrix is a bit of a shit show How so? and also isn’t a discord alternative to begin with It absolutely is. A "Space" is the equivalent to a Discord "server". It's not perfect and polished, but it does the job. I've been using it rather than Discord with my gaming group for a year now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 month ago Matrix is a Discord alternative, but not a Discord clone permalink fedilink source parent
[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (3 children) I've been using Matrix for over a decade now. How is it a shitshow? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] xiii@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) I wouldn’t call it a shit show, they were first in E2E encrypted collaborative messaging platforms and get all the hits. Moderation turned out to be incompatible with E2E encryption. People kicked out of channels can still decrypt because keys revocation hasn’t been made. Matrix server is a resource hog and a mess, and the protocol has never took off to spark alternative implementations. Encryption doesn’t scale well for big channels. They got many things right, but got crippled by many things they couldn’t possibly predict. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago I had never used Matrix outside direct messaging so I was unaware of the lack of key revocation. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] xiii@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child) I wouldn’t call it a shit show, they were first in E2E encrypted collaborative messaging platforms and get all the hits. Moderation turned out to be incompatible with E2E encryption. People kicked out of channels can still decrypt because keys revocation hasn’t been made. Matrix server is a resource hog and a mess, and the protocol has never took off to spark alternative implementations. Encryption doesn’t scale well for big channels. They got many things right, but got crippled by many things they couldn’t possibly predict. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago I had never used Matrix outside direct messaging so I was unaware of the lack of key revocation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago I had never used Matrix outside direct messaging so I was unaware of the lack of key revocation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zagorath 20 points 1 month ago Matrix is a bit of a shit show How so? and also isn’t a discord alternative to begin with It absolutely is. A "Space" is the equivalent to a Discord "server". It's not perfect and polished, but it does the job. I've been using it rather than Discord with my gaming group for a year now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] northertech@fedia.io 23 points 1 month ago (14 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] beegnyoshi@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago (12 children) hmm I thought they leaned relatively against AI slop. Wouldn't this be because they were working on it privately or something for quite some time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 14 points 1 month ago (11 children) It's 11 million lines of fucking code. 11 MILLION LINES. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago* (3 children) This commit was the refactor commit from the private dev flow to the open source repo. The process basically added a lot of files and deleted a bunch as well. it was long overdue but I wouldn't expect constant 11m line code changes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You really don't understand what 11m lines of code is. Only a collective of humans over many years can create 11m lines of code. It is an absolute batshit insane amout of code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) yea 11m changes is quite a bit at once but, I wouldn't expect a constant change like that. After all, the monorepo itself is a little over 3m lines, 1.37m of it being lang/locale files for every language for its front end, 600k of it is comments, and 1.5m is the rest of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago Wow, I thought the actual functional part was around 1m. I am going to check the loc to see if it makes sense in my second language, LLMs are pretty consistent on their translation errors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (6 children) It's obviously some kind of code reorganization, restructuring or reformating, don't be paranoid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] nulluser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (5 children) A refactoring would have a relatively similar number of subtractions as additions. This is almost entirely additions. This is not just refactoring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children) Not necessarily. Huge additions without matching deletions often happen during restructurings like vendorizing dependencies, importing external packages, generating bindings, or migrating private repos into a monorepo. In these cases new code canbbe introduced to repository and there will be no corresponding deletions in commit history. I've did similar restructurings myself, eg. Making automatically generated resources static permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago* Yeah, some projects also ditch external dependencies to make their own permalink fedilink source parent [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You have no idea what 11 million likes of code is do you? LibreOffice is 11m, Android is 12m, MySQL is 10m. Those projects took years to code not 9 months. I am going to have to ask you to stay in your lane, and I pray that is not Software Engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* I’m not sure why you’re being so hostile, but you're fundamentally confusing a codebase's hand-written LoC with Git commit additions. Nobody is saying someone authored 11M lines. Commit fa3e8525 was a workspace reconciliation - importing external repository code, dependencies, and assets into the public repo for the first time, so exactly the type of thing I was talking about. Git counts all imported lines as additions. Before asking others to "stay in their lane", maybe make sure you understand how Git history handles repository imports and dependency tracking. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dare_pd@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 1 point 2 weeks ago Clone it and checkout a commit from March. I have read far more code in that project than you have. That particular code base is part of a joke with friends. The only person that is going to change your mind is you. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] fake@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago Holy fuck! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] beegnyoshi@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago (12 children) hmm I thought they leaned relatively against AI slop. Wouldn't this be because they were working on it privately or something for quite some time? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 14 points 1 month ago (11 children) It's 11 million lines of fucking code. 11 MILLION LINES. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago* (3 children) This commit was the refactor commit from the private dev flow to the open source repo. The process basically added a lot of files and deleted a bunch as well. it was long overdue but I wouldn't expect constant 11m line code changes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You really don't understand what 11m lines of code is. Only a collective of humans over many years can create 11m lines of code. It is an absolute batshit insane amout of code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) yea 11m changes is quite a bit at once but, I wouldn't expect a constant change like that. After all, the monorepo itself is a little over 3m lines, 1.37m of it being lang/locale files for every language for its front end, 600k of it is comments, and 1.5m is the rest of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago Wow, I thought the actual functional part was around 1m. I am going to check the loc to see if it makes sense in my second language, LLMs are pretty consistent on their translation errors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (6 children) It's obviously some kind of code reorganization, restructuring or reformating, don't be paranoid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] nulluser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (5 children) A refactoring would have a relatively similar number of subtractions as additions. This is almost entirely additions. This is not just refactoring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children) Not necessarily. Huge additions without matching deletions often happen during restructurings like vendorizing dependencies, importing external packages, generating bindings, or migrating private repos into a monorepo. In these cases new code canbbe introduced to repository and there will be no corresponding deletions in commit history. I've did similar restructurings myself, eg. Making automatically generated resources static permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago* Yeah, some projects also ditch external dependencies to make their own permalink fedilink source parent [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You have no idea what 11 million likes of code is do you? LibreOffice is 11m, Android is 12m, MySQL is 10m. Those projects took years to code not 9 months. I am going to have to ask you to stay in your lane, and I pray that is not Software Engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* I’m not sure why you’re being so hostile, but you're fundamentally confusing a codebase's hand-written LoC with Git commit additions. Nobody is saying someone authored 11M lines. Commit fa3e8525 was a workspace reconciliation - importing external repository code, dependencies, and assets into the public repo for the first time, so exactly the type of thing I was talking about. Git counts all imported lines as additions. Before asking others to "stay in their lane", maybe make sure you understand how Git history handles repository imports and dependency tracking. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dare_pd@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 1 point 2 weeks ago Clone it and checkout a commit from March. I have read far more code in that project than you have. That particular code base is part of a joke with friends. The only person that is going to change your mind is you. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] northertech@fedia.io 14 points 1 month ago (11 children) It's 11 million lines of fucking code. 11 MILLION LINES. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago* (3 children) This commit was the refactor commit from the private dev flow to the open source repo. The process basically added a lot of files and deleted a bunch as well. it was long overdue but I wouldn't expect constant 11m line code changes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You really don't understand what 11m lines of code is. Only a collective of humans over many years can create 11m lines of code. It is an absolute batshit insane amout of code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) yea 11m changes is quite a bit at once but, I wouldn't expect a constant change like that. After all, the monorepo itself is a little over 3m lines, 1.37m of it being lang/locale files for every language for its front end, 600k of it is comments, and 1.5m is the rest of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago Wow, I thought the actual functional part was around 1m. I am going to check the loc to see if it makes sense in my second language, LLMs are pretty consistent on their translation errors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (6 children) It's obviously some kind of code reorganization, restructuring or reformating, don't be paranoid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] nulluser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (5 children) A refactoring would have a relatively similar number of subtractions as additions. This is almost entirely additions. This is not just refactoring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children) Not necessarily. Huge additions without matching deletions often happen during restructurings like vendorizing dependencies, importing external packages, generating bindings, or migrating private repos into a monorepo. In these cases new code canbbe introduced to repository and there will be no corresponding deletions in commit history. I've did similar restructurings myself, eg. Making automatically generated resources static permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago* Yeah, some projects also ditch external dependencies to make their own permalink fedilink source parent [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You have no idea what 11 million likes of code is do you? LibreOffice is 11m, Android is 12m, MySQL is 10m. Those projects took years to code not 9 months. I am going to have to ask you to stay in your lane, and I pray that is not Software Engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* I’m not sure why you’re being so hostile, but you're fundamentally confusing a codebase's hand-written LoC with Git commit additions. Nobody is saying someone authored 11M lines. Commit fa3e8525 was a workspace reconciliation - importing external repository code, dependencies, and assets into the public repo for the first time, so exactly the type of thing I was talking about. Git counts all imported lines as additions. Before asking others to "stay in their lane", maybe make sure you understand how Git history handles repository imports and dependency tracking. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dare_pd@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 1 point 2 weeks ago Clone it and checkout a commit from March. I have read far more code in that project than you have. That particular code base is part of a joke with friends. The only person that is going to change your mind is you. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago* (3 children) This commit was the refactor commit from the private dev flow to the open source repo. The process basically added a lot of files and deleted a bunch as well. it was long overdue but I wouldn't expect constant 11m line code changes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You really don't understand what 11m lines of code is. Only a collective of humans over many years can create 11m lines of code. It is an absolute batshit insane amout of code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) yea 11m changes is quite a bit at once but, I wouldn't expect a constant change like that. After all, the monorepo itself is a little over 3m lines, 1.37m of it being lang/locale files for every language for its front end, 600k of it is comments, and 1.5m is the rest of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago Wow, I thought the actual functional part was around 1m. I am going to check the loc to see if it makes sense in my second language, LLMs are pretty consistent on their translation errors. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You really don't understand what 11m lines of code is. Only a collective of humans over many years can create 11m lines of code. It is an absolute batshit insane amout of code. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) yea 11m changes is quite a bit at once but, I wouldn't expect a constant change like that. After all, the monorepo itself is a little over 3m lines, 1.37m of it being lang/locale files for every language for its front end, 600k of it is comments, and 1.5m is the rest of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago Wow, I thought the actual functional part was around 1m. I am going to check the loc to see if it makes sense in my second language, LLMs are pretty consistent on their translation errors. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pika@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 child) yea 11m changes is quite a bit at once but, I wouldn't expect a constant change like that. After all, the monorepo itself is a little over 3m lines, 1.37m of it being lang/locale files for every language for its front end, 600k of it is comments, and 1.5m is the rest of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago Wow, I thought the actual functional part was around 1m. I am going to check the loc to see if it makes sense in my second language, LLMs are pretty consistent on their translation errors. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago Wow, I thought the actual functional part was around 1m. I am going to check the loc to see if it makes sense in my second language, LLMs are pretty consistent on their translation errors. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (6 children) It's obviously some kind of code reorganization, restructuring or reformating, don't be paranoid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] nulluser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (5 children) A refactoring would have a relatively similar number of subtractions as additions. This is almost entirely additions. This is not just refactoring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children) Not necessarily. Huge additions without matching deletions often happen during restructurings like vendorizing dependencies, importing external packages, generating bindings, or migrating private repos into a monorepo. In these cases new code canbbe introduced to repository and there will be no corresponding deletions in commit history. I've did similar restructurings myself, eg. Making automatically generated resources static permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago* Yeah, some projects also ditch external dependencies to make their own permalink fedilink source parent [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You have no idea what 11 million likes of code is do you? LibreOffice is 11m, Android is 12m, MySQL is 10m. Those projects took years to code not 9 months. I am going to have to ask you to stay in your lane, and I pray that is not Software Engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* I’m not sure why you’re being so hostile, but you're fundamentally confusing a codebase's hand-written LoC with Git commit additions. Nobody is saying someone authored 11M lines. Commit fa3e8525 was a workspace reconciliation - importing external repository code, dependencies, and assets into the public repo for the first time, so exactly the type of thing I was talking about. Git counts all imported lines as additions. Before asking others to "stay in their lane", maybe make sure you understand how Git history handles repository imports and dependency tracking. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dare_pd@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 1 point 2 weeks ago Clone it and checkout a commit from March. I have read far more code in that project than you have. That particular code base is part of a joke with friends. The only person that is going to change your mind is you. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (5 children) A refactoring would have a relatively similar number of subtractions as additions. This is almost entirely additions. This is not just refactoring. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children) Not necessarily. Huge additions without matching deletions often happen during restructurings like vendorizing dependencies, importing external packages, generating bindings, or migrating private repos into a monorepo. In these cases new code canbbe introduced to repository and there will be no corresponding deletions in commit history. I've did similar restructurings myself, eg. Making automatically generated resources static permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago* Yeah, some projects also ditch external dependencies to make their own permalink fedilink source parent [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You have no idea what 11 million likes of code is do you? LibreOffice is 11m, Android is 12m, MySQL is 10m. Those projects took years to code not 9 months. I am going to have to ask you to stay in your lane, and I pray that is not Software Engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* I’m not sure why you’re being so hostile, but you're fundamentally confusing a codebase's hand-written LoC with Git commit additions. Nobody is saying someone authored 11M lines. Commit fa3e8525 was a workspace reconciliation - importing external repository code, dependencies, and assets into the public repo for the first time, so exactly the type of thing I was talking about. Git counts all imported lines as additions. Before asking others to "stay in their lane", maybe make sure you understand how Git history handles repository imports and dependency tracking. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dare_pd@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 1 point 2 weeks ago Clone it and checkout a commit from March. I have read far more code in that project than you have. That particular code base is part of a joke with friends. The only person that is going to change your mind is you. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children) Not necessarily. Huge additions without matching deletions often happen during restructurings like vendorizing dependencies, importing external packages, generating bindings, or migrating private repos into a monorepo. In these cases new code canbbe introduced to repository and there will be no corresponding deletions in commit history. I've did similar restructurings myself, eg. Making automatically generated resources static permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago* Yeah, some projects also ditch external dependencies to make their own permalink fedilink source parent [–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You have no idea what 11 million likes of code is do you? LibreOffice is 11m, Android is 12m, MySQL is 10m. Those projects took years to code not 9 months. I am going to have to ask you to stay in your lane, and I pray that is not Software Engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* I’m not sure why you’re being so hostile, but you're fundamentally confusing a codebase's hand-written LoC with Git commit additions. Nobody is saying someone authored 11M lines. Commit fa3e8525 was a workspace reconciliation - importing external repository code, dependencies, and assets into the public repo for the first time, so exactly the type of thing I was talking about. Git counts all imported lines as additions. Before asking others to "stay in their lane", maybe make sure you understand how Git history handles repository imports and dependency tracking. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dare_pd@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 1 point 2 weeks ago Clone it and checkout a commit from March. I have read far more code in that project than you have. That particular code base is part of a joke with friends. The only person that is going to change your mind is you. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 3 points 1 month ago* Yeah, some projects also ditch external dependencies to make their own permalink fedilink source parent
[–] northertech@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (2 children) You have no idea what 11 million likes of code is do you? LibreOffice is 11m, Android is 12m, MySQL is 10m. Those projects took years to code not 9 months. I am going to have to ask you to stay in your lane, and I pray that is not Software Engineering. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* I’m not sure why you’re being so hostile, but you're fundamentally confusing a codebase's hand-written LoC with Git commit additions. Nobody is saying someone authored 11M lines. Commit fa3e8525 was a workspace reconciliation - importing external repository code, dependencies, and assets into the public repo for the first time, so exactly the type of thing I was talking about. Git counts all imported lines as additions. Before asking others to "stay in their lane", maybe make sure you understand how Git history handles repository imports and dependency tracking. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Dare_pd@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 1 point 2 weeks ago Clone it and checkout a commit from March. I have read far more code in that project than you have. That particular code base is part of a joke with friends. The only person that is going to change your mind is you. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] EdTheMessenger@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* I’m not sure why you’re being so hostile, but you're fundamentally confusing a codebase's hand-written LoC with Git commit additions. Nobody is saying someone authored 11M lines. Commit fa3e8525 was a workspace reconciliation - importing external repository code, dependencies, and assets into the public repo for the first time, so exactly the type of thing I was talking about. Git counts all imported lines as additions. Before asking others to "stay in their lane", maybe make sure you understand how Git history handles repository imports and dependency tracking. Have a good day. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Dare_pd@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] northertech@fedia.io 1 point 2 weeks ago Clone it and checkout a commit from March. I have read far more code in that project than you have. That particular code base is part of a joke with friends. The only person that is going to change your mind is you. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] northertech@fedia.io 1 point 2 weeks ago Clone it and checkout a commit from March. I have read far more code in that project than you have. That particular code base is part of a joke with friends. The only person that is going to change your mind is you. permalink fedilink source parent