Why are the permits even an option in the first place?
Corporate penalties need to be recurring (eg daily) and a % of annual revenue, not just fixed numbers.
And it needs to be hitting the Board of Directors personally.
Why are the permits even an option in the first place?
Corporate penalties need to be recurring (eg daily) and a % of annual revenue, not just fixed numbers.
And it needs to be hitting the Board of Directors personally.
That'll show 'em not to make tens of millions of dollars by breaking the law!
oh wow a whole 1million dollars.
I'm sure that'll show them, and totally isnt just a rounding error in their budget.
That's like the cost of maybe two of the generators at the going prices now. Cost of doing business for them. Make it a million a day until they remove them.
Are you sure the fine isn't recurring?
Edit: seems like they'll be fined again in 45 days if they don't get a permit or stop them running
DataOne was given 45 days to apply for the permits or else cease operations, but they can continue operating the gas engines while seeking permits.
DataOne got hit with the fine after an investigation by The Guardian and Floodlight News in August shared thermal drone footage showing that 45 of the 62 gas generators were operating.
Woah, wtf. They didn't just build them. They were already in operation!?!
Why the fuck are journalists capturing this after the fact? Why aren't there government inspectors visiting the site to approve it before they're allowed to start operation?
To bad that drone didn't also have grenades.
The residents know the data center is powering Microsoft’s AI tools like Copilot and worry DataOne will do whatever it takes to keep that deal in place.
Sounds like they should fine Microsoft too, then.
That's like the clothing company Gap selling sweat shop clothing (made by slaves) and then fining the factory but not Gap.
I'll bet anything they budgeted for a fine and it was still cheaper than doing it the proper way. Whoever signed the paper to approve the install should be on the hook personally.
NJ should have Public Works seize all of the offending generators with NJSP as backup. No warning, no compensation. Corporate lawlessness like this needs to stop being profitable.
Compounding fines. If they're not gone in a week double it and fine them again. Continue until they're removed.
When the law comes for little people, they call this civil forfeiture.
When the law comes for the bigwigs... we don't have a name for that. Because it doesn't go down that way.
This. They are installed without permit, they will be uninstalled without warning.
We need to stop fining and start taking away privileges. Sorry, you can't buy/build any fossil fuels any more.
This here!
Cost of clean and legally installed energy = X
Cost of cheap gas turbines, don't bother with permissions, plus a later fine = less than X
That's a no-brainer.
Fuck this attitude. I could say Fuck Capitalism, but it's possible to still make a good profit with X, so this is actually something worse than capitalism. Oh yes, a century of pathological, boundless greed encapsulated in tHe sToCk MaRkEt.
a century of pathological, boundless greed encapsulated in tHe sToCk MaRkEt
I'm pretty sure that is just describing Capitalism. Trade, Commerce, Profits, and Money all existed before Capitalism. The boundless greed and "line must go up" mentality is what Capitalism brings to the table.
the [62] “tractor-trailer-size” generators were “impossible to miss” and certainly were not there when inspectors last visited in December 2025.
Each one of the generators cost roughly $1 million. With shipping, installation, etc. the total was probably north of $100 million for these generators.
So, they were fined less than 2% of what it cost them to have these installed. Pocket change, indeed.
Tow the generators and impound them!
Instead they’re allowed to run them while they apply for the permit they didn’t follow through on. What a fucking joke
"You have 30 minutes to remove your generator."
"You have ten minutes."
"Your generator has been impounded."
"Your generator has been crushed into a cube."
"You have 30 minutes to move your cube."
Donate em to Ukraine, these things sound perfect for temporary emergency energy relief after strikes on infrastructure.
Fine them one million a day until the generators are done. That should motivate them a bit more.
Fine per day, right? RIGHT?
Does the order also include removing the gas generators, or is it just cost of doing business?
DataOne was given 45 days to apply for the permits or else cease operations, but they can continue operating the gas engines while seeking permits.
Fines are just a cost of doing business. There needs to be criminal charges and real consequences on the people making the decisions, and shutting down those generators until they meet regulations.
Or the scale of the fine can be expressed as a percentage of the assets and revenues, to make the fines genuinely dreadful.
Never mind right sizing the fines. I keep operating from the assumption that we are dealing with largely reasonable people who have a bad take and are correctable.
Make guillotines great again.
No new taxea, no fines, no jails, straight to the public square guillotine with this level of malfeasance.
In many US states if you get caught poaching game, the equipment you used is often subject to confiscation - that includes the boat, 4x4 truck, etc. If you are walking down the street with a suitcase full of cash - police can simply confiscate it with no evidence of an actual crime. If you are not going to jail anybody at least get yourself 62 generators for free. Am I overthinking this?
I'm sure they totally turned off those turbines right? So they keep getting fined each day right?
$1.1M an hour right?
At least $1.1M a day right?
Not even $1.1M a week???
Shouldn't they also straight up close the place and arrest everyone who signed off on it?
I feel that only 1 million is a fraction of what they would had to pay if they had to produce the certifications and documentations for getting the permissions for the 62 turbines
In other news, Nintendo wins $4.5M from some dude selling pirated games....
You guys remember in I think Nice Dreams with Cheech and Chong where they put up the blue tarps over the plants and he acted like he was swimming?
I bet they start using tarps or building buildings around them to start hiding this kind of stuff.
If it's punishable by a fine, it's legal for a fee. We need jail time for CEOs, not paltry tickets
DataOne works for Nebius which caters to Microsoft mainly. This wasn't a no name datacenter, it's Microsoft.
This reminds me of Dr. Evil asking for a million dollars. This isn't even a slap on the hand.
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