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[–] 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Why are the permits even an option in the first place?

Corporate penalties need to be recurring (eg daily) and a % of annual revenue, not just fixed numbers.

And it needs to be hitting the Board of Directors personally.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    I've said this for going on 2 decades now.

    Having these fines from the 1930s arent hurting companies today, they are just a minor inconvenience.

    Now, make the fines start at 40% of last years gross revenue (before they can do any tricky accounting to avoid shit by making their net income artificially lower, and also while accounting for any parent company/subsidiary bullshit), and it will cease to be an evil tax and start to be an actual fucking threat to the company.

    and if the company fails and falls because of it, well, thats their fault. No one forced them to be evil and vile.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Plus a fine issued directly to the C suite, calculated the same way. Calculated on total pretax package and stock values. Make the decision makers fine payers and their "fiscal conservatism" might come in to play.

    In a successful society these people would be prosecuted and jailed for crimes against humanity, failing that I wouldn't mind seeing a few dozen billionaires and millionaires wind up in debtors prison.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That'll show 'em not to make tens of millions of dollars by breaking the law!

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    oh wow a whole 1million dollars.

    I'm sure that'll show them, and totally isnt just a rounding error in their budget.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That's like the cost of maybe two of the generators at the going prices now. Cost of doing business for them. Make it a million a day until they remove them.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Are you sure the fine isn't recurring?

    Edit: seems like they'll be fined again in 45 days if they don't get a permit or stop them running

    DataOne was given 45 days to apply for the permits or else cease operations, but they can continue operating the gas engines while seeking permits.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    DataOne got hit with the fine after an investigation by The Guardian and Floodlight News in August shared thermal drone footage showing that 45 of the 62 gas generators were operating. 

    Woah, wtf. They didn't just build them. They were already in operation!?!

    Why the fuck are journalists capturing this after the fact? Why aren't there government inspectors visiting the site to approve it before they're allowed to start operation?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    To bad that drone didn't also have grenades.

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  • The residents know the data center is powering Microsoft’s AI tools like Copilot and worry DataOne will do whatever it takes to keep that deal in place.

    Sounds like they should fine Microsoft too, then.

    That's like the clothing company Gap selling sweat shop clothing (made by slaves) and then fining the factory but not Gap.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    You know an actual solution? They get bulldozed by the city.

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    [–] 184 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I'll bet anything they budgeted for a fine and it was still cheaper than doing it the proper way. Whoever signed the paper to approve the install should be on the hook personally.

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  • [–] 131 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    NJ should have Public Works seize all of the offending generators with NJSP as backup. No warning, no compensation. Corporate lawlessness like this needs to stop being profitable.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This here!

    Cost of clean and legally installed energy = X
    Cost of cheap gas turbines, don't bother with permissions, plus a later fine = less than X

    That's a no-brainer.

    Fuck this attitude. I could say Fuck Capitalism, but it's possible to still make a good profit with X, so this is actually something worse than capitalism. Oh yes, a century of pathological, boundless greed encapsulated in tHe sToCk MaRkEt.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    a century of pathological, boundless greed encapsulated in tHe sToCk MaRkEt

    I'm pretty sure that is just describing Capitalism. Trade, Commerce, Profits, and Money all existed before Capitalism. The boundless greed and "line must go up" mentality is what Capitalism brings to the table.

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  • [–] 120 points 1 month ago* (7 children)

    the [62] “tractor-trailer-size” generators were “impossible to miss” and certainly were not there when inspectors last visited in December 2025.

    Each one of the generators cost roughly $1 million. With shipping, installation, etc. the total was probably north of $100 million for these generators.

    So, they were fined less than 2% of what it cost them to have these installed. Pocket change, indeed.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Tow the generators and impound them!

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  • [–] 65 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Fine per day, right? RIGHT?

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  • [–] 51 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Does the order also include removing the gas generators, or is it just cost of doing business?

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  • [–] 64 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    DataOne was given 45 days to apply for the permits or else cease operations, but they can continue operating the gas engines while seeking permits.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I’ve worked in construction most of my life and I always wonder how code enforcement will come down hard on small projects and do nothing about larger ones. This is a local government issue, and the locals write the laws….

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Fines are just a cost of doing business. There needs to be criminal charges and real consequences on the people making the decisions, and shutting down those generators until they meet regulations.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Or the scale of the fine can be expressed as a percentage of the assets and revenues, to make the fines genuinely dreadful.

    Never mind right sizing the fines. I keep operating from the assumption that we are dealing with largely reasonable people who have a bad take and are correctable.

    Make guillotines great again.

    No new taxea, no fines, no jails, straight to the public square guillotine with this level of malfeasance.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    In many US states if you get caught poaching game, the equipment you used is often subject to confiscation - that includes the boat, 4x4 truck, etc. If you are walking down the street with a suitcase full of cash - police can simply confiscate it with no evidence of an actual crime. If you are not going to jail anybody at least get yourself 62 generators for free. Am I overthinking this?

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago

    I'm sure they totally turned off those turbines right? So they keep getting fined each day right?

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  • [–] 38 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    $1.1M an hour right?

    At least $1.1M a day right?

    Not even $1.1M a week???

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Shouldn't they also straight up close the place and arrest everyone who signed off on it?

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago

    That's per generator, right?

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago

    Really? $1.1 million is nothing

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago

    Break the law, pay a tiny fine

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago

    I feel that only 1 million is a fraction of what they would had to pay if they had to produce the certifications and documentations for getting the permissions for the 62 turbines

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago*

    In other news, Nintendo wins $4.5M from some dude selling pirated games....

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    You guys remember in I think Nice Dreams with Cheech and Chong where they put up the blue tarps over the plants and he acted like he was swimming?

    I bet they start using tarps or building buildings around them to start hiding this kind of stuff.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    If it's punishable by a fine, it's legal for a fee. We need jail time for CEOs, not paltry tickets

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    A measly mil?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    DataOne works for Nebius which caters to Microsoft mainly. This wasn't a no name datacenter, it's Microsoft.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Backward society

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    [–] 20 points 1 month ago

    This reminds me of Dr. Evil asking for a million dollars. This isn't even a slap on the hand.

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