Assembly Bill 2164 authored by Assemblymember Rebecca Bauer-Kahan (D-Orinda) would have prohibited California’s governor from recognizing a request for extradition of a person related to their providing a legally protected healthcare activity in the Golden State to transgender individuals, or if they provide reproductive services. It provided certain exemptions, such as an extradition required by federal law.

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[–] 93 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He also vetoed telework protections for us state workers and we are on the verge of a strike because his admin has returned our union's proposals with... ZERO. Literally, NOTHING. Their response to our demands in union negotations was 'how about nothing, instead?'

He has clearly become red-pilled, idk what's wrong with him but the most cynical interpretation would be money, stupidest interpretation would be he thinks this will help him become president.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    On that note, when I see news covering Cali state worker telework, they love to go to the streets and find everyone they can to interview who's attitude seems to be "fuck you, I can't work from home so you shouldn't either"

    I can't help but feel like that's intentional to turn people against remote workers

    I mean... Even if they're just selfish assholes, do they not get that traffic is getting worse again because agencies and businesses are forcing return to office? That more people working remote is actually good for people who can't for whatever reason too?

    Sorry, tangent; but GN's attitude on this has yet another incredibly frustrating and bad bit of policy from him

    I really hope he doesn't run for president, and if he does, that he gets shut down early in the primary.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    It's so funny I met a friend of a friend the other day and telework came up and she said 'and I bet other people say, we can't do it so u guys shouldn't either!' I laughed it off. Awhile later I asked her what she does for work and she said 'state worker' LOL

    Ya its hard to say what the whole population thinks of course but I hope some ppl realize if we get a win on this their chances improve. Most office workers don't have the luxury of a union but if we get a win and start peeling off talent, the chances private sector embraces goes up!

    As for GN I hope someday we figure out the real reason behind his sudden turn because even the most cynical political motives don't make a lot of sense. He is largely disliked in Cali from what I can tell, if he were to run for prez someday I'm not even sure he could get Cali in the primaries so why burn all state workers? We're not a huge percentage of state residents but he's not only shooting himself in the foot with us but our kids are future voters, there's City and county employees and UC families... It just seems incredibly stupid.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This is why I dont want him as a presidential candidate. 😒 We cant allow people to get hunted down so his chances of winning are better. MAGA wants to force facism upon us and I'm not willing to let establishment dems move their moral compass.

    Mark my words, he would NOT hold anyone, including trump, accountable. He and the other paid-fpr establishment dems would say, "Oh, we need to move on as a country." No we don't, we need accountability, STARTING with the dems!

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  • [–] 48 points 1 month ago*

    For someone like Newsom there will never be a right time or manner to implement protections for trans people. And there will always be some clever excuse for which to cling. But when they are called to protect the interests of the powerful, they will break any precident or boundry to achieve those aims.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Basically he said that he thinks this should be left up to the governor, whoever that is, and no matter how righteous and well intentioned, the issue shouldn’t be decided for all time this way, eroding future governors’ authority.

    What a spineless position. Why pass any laws at all? Why not leave everything up to the whims of whoever is in office?

    Doesn’t the legislature decide issues all the time and enshrine those decisions for the future in law? Isn’t that what they do? Why the fuck should extradition for providing healthcare be any different? Isn’t he “eroding the authority” of the legislature in saying no, we should leave this as governor’s discretion, just in principle?

    I’m not just hating Newsom reflexively here. I seriously don’t understand his argument, despite trying.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I'll attempt to suss it out a little bit, as you seem to have given his argument it's due, even if it doesn't click for you. It doesn't for me either. My cynicism tells me that, if he weren't eying a White House run, he would have just signed it. However, as pretty much the presumptive establishment Dem favorite, he's been listening to the ghouls in the DNC who say things like "Trans rights are a losing issue, we have to divest ourselves of 'fringe' politics". As a smokescreen for that bit of realpolitik, he is couching his stance in terms of "eroding executive authority".

    My understanding (IANAL in Cali or otherwise) is that California law currently grants the office of the Governor exclusive discretionary power in whether to honor extradition requests from other states (provided the governor is not otherwise compelled to respond in a certain manner e.g. a federal court issues the request or something). Newsome's argument is that it is improper for him, a term-limited outgoing governor, to "willingly" divest the office of an exclusive discretionary power like that. It's similar, in principle, to the arguments some years ago regarding the Senate confirmation of political appointees during a President's second term. I.e. it wasn't "fair" that a lame duck might have a chance to stuff the government with "their guys", possibly sabotaging the incoming President of a different party. Not exactly the same, but the principle stands, I think.

    Of course, when McConnell made those arguments, he was lying through his teeth, as is Newsome, I assume. It's just a convenient cover story that makes the common clay of the New West (y'know...morons!) think, "wow, that's a level-headed so and so with a mind for good governance and bipartisan cooperation, that sure is something that this country could use!"

    Where the argument falls down is that, as you pointed out, the Legislature passed this. He already had the perfect smokescreen to say, "there's nothing I could do, I'm no loonie lefty, but the people of California spoke through their elected representatives and I had no right to veto it merely because it slightly reduced the power of the executive office." He chose not to, because he's deathly afraid of the pro-maga-ganda machine painting him as a coastal elite out of touch with middle America, as if that's not going to be their exact tactic against him regardless of his record. I'd stop just short of him saying he's eroding the Legislature's authority though. He's using the veto power of his office as it's intended. In theory, overriding the passage of legislation popular enough to make it through that whole process will harm him politically, which is happening to an extent. This is a biased space, obviously, but clearly his decision is unpopular here. Whether or not it helps or hurts him in primaries or the general remains to be seen.

    I would hope that the legislature could override his veto, but I am not familiar enough with California state politics to know if they have the votes.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago

    So he vetoed the “You can’t hunt down doctors across state lines because they gave trans people health care” law, because it… “sets a bad precedent”.

    How about the precedent of not hunting down doctors for… being doctors…???

    How about the precedent of not being insane fascists?????

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    We can't let him win the primaries. He's probably the one candidate who could keep any Democrats home.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago

    They hate you and want you to die.

    (Repeat until it sinks in)

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And I thought he was coming around on transgender rights, sigh Fuck you Newsom

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This is why I don't want him to run for president. He is not a progressive.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    Once again, the only thing leftist can be reprimanded for is being right too early.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 month ago

    Newsom is a neoliberal. Neoliberals are conservatives. He is controlled opposition. He will try to trick the public into believing he is progressive in 2028. He is a pathological liar and conman just like any other conservative.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Our next President-apparent. Fucking hell, this is who they're going to run against Vance, aren't they?

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    He's the one money will support but there is precedent for that to not matter. See Clinton v Obama, Jeb v Trump and various smaller races.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Thankfully he is not favored currently, but its very close. I can promise you I will gladly devote a chunk of my life to volunteering for a candidate running against him in the primaries, to keep him out of the white house. Send him back to the Napa vineyards where scum like this belongs.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    Abortion Coalition for Telemedicine, the lead sponsor of the bill, noted 18 governors have “signed identical provisions into law without fanfare”

    DNC voters when they let this guy through and lose again:

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    He wants to be your president, wooooo! Asshole. Tried to force state workers back to the office, too.

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    "Governor vetoes bill that would limit the powers of the Governor."

    I'm so shocked.

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    Let's hope for a veto override.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Who needs the GOP when the dems are like this?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago

    Definitely won’t have my vote in the primaries.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I suspect that earlier in his governorship he was willing to go along more with the Democratic legislature because he knew it would not risk his re-election. Now that he has his eyes on the presidency he is going straight down the middle, which these days is basically the Right.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 month ago (32 children)

    I have no idea what the red line is for "leftists" defending this guy both as governor and a presidential candidate.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (29 children)

    Do people who call themselves leftists support him?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (27 children)

    As a leftist, I would vote for him for the same reason I'd vote for Hilary Clinton. To prevent the Republicans from taking over. That's about it.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (24 children)

    As a leftist, he’s the same as voting for right wing if he’s not a queer ally. I don’t give a shit about muh economee or gas. We can easily crash the economy by rejecting consumerism to make the capital class suffer.

    If he’s against vulnerable groups, he’s a fascist like the rest.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And this is how the rufhr wins. Because they are not the same.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago*

    No the furher won because people weren’t willing to stand up to him across the board. They appeased and compromised.

    A liberal democracy focused on money cannot stop the rising tide of fascism. History proves this.

    It’s not your privileged body being sold out for votes.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago* (21 children)

    Who says he's not a queer ally? I've seen him say and do plenty of things that are pro lgbtq. He disagrees with you on one issue and loses all credibility? This is how you lose allies and give power to people that genuinely want what's worse for you.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago* (19 children)

    A sell out to the queer community will absolutely negotiate with fascists to maintain their power, if they’re willing to do it while seeking power.

    A true leader of character has a spine and is willing to fight for the rights of vulnerable populations and refuse any notions of taking their rights. I don’t care how many neat things he’s said before. He’s backtracked like every other slimy politician and can no longer be trusted.

    He’s only a queer ally when it’s convenient for him to be one.

    Stop. Trying. To. Appeal. To. Fascists. It’s like people completely fail at learning from history.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    Or maybe he just disagrees with you on this one issue. I don't think the Trans community has done a good enough job convincing people why they're right. Which is why over the past few years polling data, even amongst democrats, is moving away from the Trans community.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The trans community just wants to be treated like human beings and not have their rights to their bodies stripped away. How is that not convincing? What more of an explanation do people need?

    If the Dem community is drifting away, it’s because someone is enabling their latent transphobia.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago

    The trans community just wants to be treated like human beings and not have their rights to their bodies stripped away.

    And most of these people want the same thing. It's possible to disagree on individual issues.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    why they're right

    About what? Our existence? That we should be given the same rights, privileges, and privacy as any other group of people?

    Polling is showing that people increasingly succumb to conservative rhetoric and agree that we're subhuman, second-class citizens. It does not show that we actually deserve that treatment.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    Not everybody has every right, privilege and privacy that they feel they deserve. This is one issue where most people disagree that you should have this right. But many people agree on everything else.

    When you say "Our existence?" I can't help but feel this is either disingenuous, or maybe it's just childish.

    Somebody can agree with EVERYTHING else you say, but this one issue, they do not agree that you should have this right. And your reaction is "they're calling us second class citizens. They don't want us to exist. They're bigots".

    Or you say "succumb to conservative rhetoric" as though it isn't a genuine opinion people have.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Most people allegedly disagree that trans people should have medical care, and that means we just shouldn't? That's a hell of a fucking take.

    Our existance is what's up for debate on the right. Trump started this term declaring that legally we don't exist. It's not hyperbole. Every concession towards the right is another step towards their goal. Capitulation here is madness, I'm sorry.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago* (8 children)

    But your problem is you are not acknowledging the people you're talking to or about. Somebody says I disagree on sports and you bring up medical care.

    I remember back in the day democrats came out against gay marriage. Many people recognized this was a necessary thing for them to say in order to win elections. And the net result for gay people was a supreme court that granted them the right to get married.

    The Trans community hears somebody disagree with their right to play whatever sport they want and there reaction is to burn the whole country to the ground. It is short sighted.

    If a politician says they don't support your right to Healthcare, that is specific to that politician. Newsom has signed plenty of bills that support the Trans community. Even in his conversation with Charlie Kirk he gave a lot of support to the Trans community which I generally ignored.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    He vetoed a bill aimed at protecting trans medical care. That's what this entire discussion has been about. Fuck off with your sports.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    His reason, as I mentioned in another comment, was that this bill was intended to limit the governor's rights. Since he is the outgoing governor, he didn’t think it would be right to sign a bill that limits the rights of the new governor. This is something Republicans have done to Democrats in the past and is also not OK.

    Be careful about getting triggered by a headline when there is nuance in the article.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Limit the governor's power to do what exactly? Let's see here...

    would have prohibited California’s governor from recognizing a request for extradition of a person related to their providing a legally protected healthcare activity in the Golden State to transgender individuals, or if they provide reproductive services.

    You support here the governor being allowed to extradite anyone who provides medical care to trans people, as well as pregnant people. You argue to prevent this is not okay. And you don't understand why trans people are upset? Are you even trying?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Not every bill that has good things in it is good. It makes for a great rage bating headline, though.

    His actual comment if you care:

    While I share the author's views on the importance of protecting these important healthcare services, extradition is an exclusively executive function. When discretionary, that discretion is appropriately placed with the Governor. I am troubled by the precedent that would be set if an outgoing administration agreed with the Legislature to erode the executive authority of an incoming Governor

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    So you think a legislature trying to reign in executive power and put additional guardrails in place to curtail "executive authority" is a bad thing? Especially when this is the guy trying to replace Trump?

    Ignoring the healthcare aspect of this bill and just taking that argument at face value, there is no circumstance where I would elect a president who has no interest in ceding authority back to a legislature after this administration's shitshow. We clearly need less executive authority, and if Newsom is treating that as a non-starter, he's not fit for office.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago

    I think it's different than vetoing a bill because he hates the Trans community. That's what this headline implies, and people are going right along with it.

    there is no circumstance where I would elect a president who has no interest in ceding authority back to a legislature after this administration's shitshow.

    This sounds like setting wildly unrealistic expectations about who is acceptable to vote for.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Okay, I'll say again: what do I have to be right about? That is the specific thing I asked you. What is the question that you feel the trans community is failing to answer?

    Regarding your comment about not everyone having every right they feel they deserve, that is exactly what the 14th Amendment is for. All people are entitled to equal protection under the law. I want the rights that I am entitled to, not some modern Jim Crow-alike where my identity is just cause to violate the Equal Protections clause.

    As for your last point, yes, I do think it's conservative rhetoric and not a genuine opinion. Trans people have had rights codified in law for 70 years now. Conservative news media has amped up the rhetoric in the last couple years because Republicans can't win on current policy decisions, so it needs to be culture war garbage. You can even see it in polling: 2022 vs 2025

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    what do I have to be right about?

    Athletics. I thought it was clear as that is the only issue he's expressed a strong opinion on. Outside of expressing support of the community.

    I think this is one of those issues the Trans community has not proven they are right about, and seeing how they react towards people that hold this opinion, while also showing they care about the community in other ways, feels self destructive. I think this has as much to do with the shift in polling as conservative rhetoric.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The Democratic party has put us in this position and for that, they have my deepest disappointment.

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    I sincerely hope that a progressive governor replaces this shitbird. Newsom might be better than any given member of the GOP, but that bar is in hell.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    I can't wait to get yelled at by democrats when i refuse to vote for this shit head in a few years.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Hopefully he doesn’t make it past the primaries. Unfortunately if he does and he’s up against a MAGA Republican, there’s only one clear choice.

    Go help campaign for progressive candidates before the primaries! Come November 2028, it may be too late.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    Unfortunately if he does and he’s up against a MAGA Republican, there’s only one clear choice.

    I even held my nose and voted for Harris, but "stay home and don't vote" appears to be the only clear choice here. Newsom vs. MAGA is just MAGA vs. MAGA. When Newsom was imitating Trump on twitter, all I could think was "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." I don't think it's too much to expect the Democrats to have learned something from the 2024 elections; they can ignore progressives, but progressives can ignore them too, and then the whole country suffers.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Go help campaign for progressive candidates before the primaries

    Please, everyone who thinks the Democratic Party can be saved, to do this. It will convince you faster than anything else I know of that the party isn't salvageable and that party leadership is just as awful privately as the other guys are publicly.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    And your solution is to what? Let the country burn down?

    Oh. .ml, yes that probably is your solution.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Republicans deserve to be yelled at, and if it's newsom or vance and you choose vance by not voting, you're a republican and deserve to be yelled at.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Blindly partisan loyalists deserve to be yelled at.

    I don't need to do any mental gymnastics to make that apply to the people I'm applying it to.

    Your guaranteed vote no matter how awful the candidate is is the reason the candidate is more awful every cycle.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    What a fucking cuck

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago*

    The Blue Nazi DNC wants amekos to vote for.

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