According to some sources, at least 1 in 8 of the world population is classified as ‘obese’. Since nobody in any government seems to have thought up a working solution, what do you believe can be done to solve the epidemic?

the alleged definition of obesity

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[–] 79 points 1 month ago (23 children)
  • Cheap access to fresh fruit and veg

  • Education for healthy eating starting in childhood

  • Public outdoor spaces that are enjoyable to exercise in

  • Cheap, frequent public transit to allow everyone to access food and public spaces

If those don’t take care of most of it we can keep going from there.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    And not just fresh fruit and veg, but a variety of good quality fresh fruit and veg. Red delicious apples are cheap fresh fruit, zucchini is cheap fresh veg, but you won't enjoy eating your fruit and veg if all you're getting is nasty apples and zucchini.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I feel like we could do a lot by simply removing the sales taxes from raw vegetables and non-exotic fruits.

    That would be a government subsidy, but it would be a subsidy primed to go towards the consumer.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    if all you’re getting is nasty apples

    Growing up I thought I didn't prefer apples. It turns out I just don't like the most common apple that was fed to me. "Red Delicious" is false advertising. Fuji, Jazz, Honeycrisp, Yellow Delicious, Pink Lady, are all far far superior. I'll even eat a Gala apple even thought those are just okay. Red Delicious apples are trash tier apples.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I like red delicious apples. I like all varieties of apples. The hate comes from familiarity and snobbery. It's like coffee, cigars, and wine--marketing and price is the only real difference. One isn't worse than the other, we're just taught that. Every variety of apple can become mealy if left tool long, but people associate that with RD because that's the apple they had as kids and sometimes they were mealy, and kids are very sensitive to differences in their food.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Nah, the hate for Red Delicious comes from the fact that they've been bred to look good and have a long shelf life instead of having good flavor. They used to taste better, but due to the industrialization of farming, orchards were paid more for better looking apples. Eventually, the cultivar developed into the modern Red Delicious, which has a thick skin and starchy texture that resists bruising during machine handling.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    To add to that, if weight loss peptides like Ozempic are working, let them work.

    My mother, in her late 60s is obese. She was forced to retire early due to this, she has had lifelong self image issues due to this, and she's very aware that it's both robbing her ability to enjoy her later years, and years of her life. Until this year, she was staunchly against taking Ozempic due to potential side effects, but the reality is that the side effects of Obesity are so much worse.

    For an analogy, there is a lot of evidence that the quantity of people who need to wear glasses has increased because in infancy, children are not looking at distant objects, and irreversible damage is occurring to their vision as a result. Of course this is something we want parents to consider in how they realise their children, but it would be monstrous to then deprive that person of glasses because the fault is societal.

    Everything on your list is the equivalent of encouraging children to exercise their eyes, and is absolutely the best way to treat obesity, but medication should be considered as a treatment beyond this.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    A thing most people don't get is that knowledge of how to prepare food and the time to actually do it are also key. My parents could cook 3 meals between them and poorly at that. I didn't know anything about how to use a knife including the most basic things like sharp knives being less dangerous than blunt ones. I have learned later in life and I am fairly accomplished in the kitchen, including making a roux, making passata from scratch, fermenting and pickling vegetables, making yoghurt, making adaptable stir fry dishes, making stews and soups, and all manner of other things like breads and pâté. None of those things were taught to me by my parents or through schooling. All the access in the world wouldn't make me able to use chicken liver without making it chalky and nasty, or cook a steak without ruining it.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It’s a very good suggestion, but do you think any government right now would push for that? Not disagreeing with you, just wondering about the feasibility of such ideas?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Those are two separate questions, without a strong public push for those things it’s unlikely governments will do it of their own accord unless they’re specifically trying to cut healthcare costs. But there are places with the things listed; you can’t go anywhere in Central America without running into a fruit cart, cities with good public transit exist, and places with public spaces that encourage exercise exist, programs to educate the public about healthy eating exist. Each thing is individually accomplishable.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    Cheap access to fresh fruit and veg

    Won't work. In my hospital cafeteria at lunch, med staff is lined up at the salad bar, patients line up at the deep fryer. People get a plate of fries and pour gravy over it and call that a meal.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Why does your hospital have a deep fryer to begin with? I’m sure if they set out a pile of low cost cocaine they’d consume that as well, it’s silly to offer people addictive foods and then turn your nose up at them when they eat them; especially in the context of being in the middle of what is probably one of the most stressful events of their lives and likely wanting familiar comfort food.

    Anyway, the only difference between you/your colleagues and your patients is covered by my second point: education.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Why does your hospital have a deep fryer to begin with?

    Because the cafeteria needs to stay open and patients demand it. If we didn't have shit to feed idiots, idiots would order shit in. You cannot force people to eat well.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (14 children)

    People don't realize* that processed food is engineered to make you eat more of it. You'll also feel like shit for at least 3 days if you start eating fresh foods and you will crave the junk (cuz it's made to be that way), but it's worth it. The price is about the same to eat if you make it from scratch, but it's so much easier than you think. Your body will thank you. Also, if you're craving something sweet, drink water.

    Examples:

    Soup

    • boil a bunch of veggies and you get veggie stock.
    • Boil the bones of your rotisserie chicken and you get chicken stock.
    • Microwave a potato and put it in a pan with your sauteed veggies, then add milk. You now have cream of type soups

    Grill

    • veggies
    • meat
    • seafood

    Baking

    These are just few.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    Sounds like the detox diet in that spurlock film

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (12 children)

    Do you mean the opposite? You must not have seen it.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

    lol. I meant his wife’s vegan detox diet at the end (the one above’s obviously not vegan, it just reminded me of the concept) obviously I didn’t mean the main diet of that film…

    In any case, I much preferred Tom Naughton’s Fat Head

    “Honey, I have chest pains! Quick! Get a tripod!!!” XD

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    Oh sorry, lol, I didn't understand what you were saying. You can have junk in moderation, but processed food companies make it really hard on everyone to do anything in moderation.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Have you seen Fat Head by Tom Naughton? If you liked the Spurlock one, watch that one (it’s kind of a refute with comedy)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    No, we've been looking for new things to watch. I'll look for it. We just got done with Widow's Bay. Boy does that deserve the hype.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    his wife’s vegan detox diet

    detox diets are bullshit. Just stop eating crap. Spurlock's wife stopped being vegan and the cult almost crucified her.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    And he died of cancer. They say it didn’t have anything to do with the diet, but it could have

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    He had testicular cancer, but he was also a huge alcoholic. He didn't die of cancer but his publicist would only admit to "cancer related complications".

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Interesting. I’ve never heard what kind of cancer he had, can you provide me a link that says it was testicular?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    There's not a single, one-size-fits-all solution, there's a lot of factors going into this

    In no particular order, off the top of my head, a couple things that would need to change

    1. Better nutrition/health education- a lot of people have almost no idea what eating healthy means
    2. Better labeling requirements, there's a few weird loopholes in how food and such can be labeled, and companies get away with using some pretty misleading labeling, and we need to be tightening that down so that people can actually make better informed decisions about what they're eating.
    3. Better pay and work/life balance- Planning and preparing a healthy diet takes time and money. Same with going to the gym. We need to free people up to be able to make those better, healthier choices for themselves
    4. Addressing food deserts- In some places people just may not have easier access to healthy food. If you don't drive and public transit is spotty around you, and the only stores within walking distance of your home are gas stations and convenience stores, it's going to be hard to eat a healthy diet.
    5. Pedestrian and bike friendly infrastructure- In a lot of cases, people don't walk or bike places because it's just not safe for them to do so. If you provide that opportunity for them, a lot of people will actually use it, they'll get more exercise, and save money on gas that can in turn be used for other healthier choices.
    6. Healthcare- In some cases it may mean getting things like glp-1 drugs or surgeries to aid in weight loss, in other cases it might just be checking in with a doctor or nutritionist to come up with a weight loss plan to make sure you're going about it safely and effectively. Maybe you need blood work or other tests to identify other underlying health problems, maybe you have depression or anxiety that are making it difficult for you to be motivated to go to the gym or some sort of trauma you need to work through to address an eating disorder. Whatever the person's specific needs are, they need to be able to access them.
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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)
    1. Non shitholes teach children how to eat in schools.

    2. no one reads.

    3. people have hours to sit in front of screens

    4. i don't buy this. just lazy

    5. Never will happen in USA.

    6. No one can afford that in USA.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    1,2,5, & 6 - yes, I'm saying that these are issues that need to be addressed. What do you think you're adding to the conversation here?

    3&4- yes, because after working, often in excess of 40 hours a week, commuting, running errands, and with little money left over to show for it at the end (ties into point 6) what else is there for them to do? People do not have unlimited energy or money. People are tired and need time to relax and enjoy themselves as well, if they spent hours reading or knitting, or tinkering with electronics instead would you still begrudge them that? As far as physical health goes, that's about the same. Planning and preparing a proper, balanced meal takes some time and energy, and a lot of people are running on empty, and if they want to have any time to enjoy their lives that may mean microwaving a frozen dinner or ordering takeout.

    My wife has lost a lot of weight over the last year, getting up at the ass crack of dawn to hit the gym, and sometimes again after work, she's often leaving the house before 5am, and doesn't return home until 5 or even 7pm if she hits the gym twice. That leaves her with about 2-4 hours to herself when she gets in to have dinner, prep her breakfast and lunch for the next day because she won't have time for it in the morning, and do whatever other chores she needs to do.

    Imagine trying to squeeze that in if you also have kids or other obligations you need to take care of after work, or if you work more than the 40 hours a week she does.

    And sure, if you stick to a diet of beans and kale or something, it can be an affordable diet, but most people aren't going to last long eating such a limited diet, and a lot of the more diet-friendly foods can get pricey fast.

    And food deserts are absolutely a thing, I live in one. It's a solid 15 minute drive to a grocery store, there is no public transit in my area, it would be the better part of an hour one way to bike there, and close to 2 hours if I needed to walk, and those roads are absolutely not friendly to pedestrians and bikes. If we didn't have cars, it would be pretty hard for us to get groceries, especially if I didn't have friends I could get a ride from, and borderline impossible if we were elderly or disabled (especially since I work night shift which further limits when I can get to a grocery store while I'm awake.) I can get a couple things from a convenience store and CVS that are in a somewhat more reasonable walking distance (though those roads aren't exactly pedestrian friendly either) but that's mostly going to be prepackaged junk food, if I'm lucky maybe I can get a couple fresh apples and bananas or an overpriced premade salad.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I can tell you what I did. I went from 92 kilos to 69 kilos in a year.

    1. Nearly removed all carbs from my diet
    2. Increased diet to include vegetables and chicken and eggs
    3. Removed artificial sugar
    4. Removed all apps which allowed food delivery
    5. Went to gym 5 days a week
    6. Told myself everyday "trust the process"

    I started noticing changes after 3 months.


    Now how do you convert this into government policy? That is a huge problem altogether. Long term thinking + strong regulations. Even if you try something like this, you will be ridiculed for suggesting government overreach. At the end of the day, a diet is a personal choice.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This works, I did it too. I lost 65 pounds in six months, and It's been gone for over ten years now.

    But, that doesn't make profits for the rich and takes effort, so they made a drug instead.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Free healthcare including counseling, free gyms, shorter work weeks to give people more time for activities, and subsidize healthy foods so they're more affordable.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Thanks for highlighting counseling. I think people kind of ignore/underestimate the mental aspect of trying to be fit. A true long-lasting healthy life needs its ground work to be based on sustainable habits. It needs to be taught that fitness isn't what you do for 1 hour in the gym, but the full 24 hours in your day. At the same time, fitness isn't torturing your body. You need to reward yourself from time to time (but within limits).

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Treating it like the multifaceted issue it is instead of a moral failing would be a start.

    In the US that would mean labor laws which favor the human instead of the business. With hours that allow more daily personal time and pay that allows prosperity even at minimum wages. These things would take care of most people.

    It would also mean medical treatment being available without burdensome cost, and with consideration to it being a mental hurdle like addiction and destigmatizing seeking aid for it in that manner. Universal healthcare removing the need/demand for private and employment tied insurance would help this as well.

    There are many more facets, and facets within facets to all of this, but from a mile high view I think this would help a lot.

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    There’s no one single approach.

    1. Stop overincentivizing HFCS; as a sugar replacement, its main feature is suppressing natural hormones that tell you “I’m full, let’s stop eating”. It’s a corn product, which often makes it a very “American” thing to support.
    2. Design walkable communities. Many people can’t schedule out time to get exercise, but should get it regularly through their job or community.
    3. Make programs designed to promote home cooking, ensuring people have time in their day to do it, adequate kitchen space, and buy-in from their family or lifemates. Many people live off take-out or ready meals, which means they don’t know what goes into it, and also don’t socialize with family.
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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    When my kids were younger we subscribed to a meal kit service. They would select from a limited menu, then we would get ingredients and instructions. It was great at teaching my kids how to cook. It was also much more efficient than trying to do the same from scratch: we already had the right amounts of all ingredients and simplified step by step. We saved time.

    However it was expensive. I wonder if some sort of subsidized service like that would help people learn how to cook and develop the habit

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    A localized meal service like that would be really awesome. Locally sourced ingredients where available, pick up or drop off within X miles. It might be hard to match price at scale bring smaller, but with a subsidy it absolutely could work.

    Yeah, I know it's just reinventing the soup kitchen.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    What worked for me was living somewhere I could do a lot of outdoor labor. So I say replace all excavators with manual labor.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    We can start by not eating highly processed, industrially made food-like substances.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Make people even poorer, so that they can transform from too poor to buy healthy food to too poor to buy food

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Ban every food and drink invented in the last hundred years

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    This is gonna be an unpopular take, but I vote for federally subsidized meth rations. I bet I'd be super productive and who needs sleep?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Theres a whole host of issues, many of which are already mentioned, but two other big ones are treating it more as a health issue rather than a moral one, and improving healthcare - especially mental health care.

    People don't realize, but a lot of obesity cases are tied into other health issues - especially mental health. This is doubly true for more extreme cases. For a very simple example, those who are neurodivergent often struggle with specific stimulations including food textures (limiting food options), especially in combination with food deserts or areas with little selection. On the other hand, this can often be improved or worked around with medication and/or therapy. Medication such as antidepressants or antipsychotics causing weight gain is another very common example, and while it isn't as easy to avoid, better medical support can make it easier to manage, especially if you need to change diet as a result. For a more extreme example, trauma is very closely tied to weight gain and eating disorders. Watch any episode of My Six-Hundred Pound Life (or better yet, don't), and you'll notice that almost all of them have significant trauma. For example, childhood abuse can lead to difficulty self-regulating, or sexual abuse can cause someone to feel that being """ugly""" will help prevent future assaults. These examples just scratch the surface too, and things only gen messier when you have comorbid conditions. Just imagine, for example, someone with OCD affecting how they eat, depression treated with a weight-gain causing medication, and PMOS (a hormonal issue common in women, which often makes it extremely difficult to lose weight). Doctors often ignore or struggle to treat any of these individually, nonetheless all three together, and thats before we open the conversation around affordability.

    Given this, and just how sensitive and defensive humans are in general, that makes it all-the-more important that we treat people respectfully and kindly. Even ignoring basic decentcy, demonizing or mocking people for their weight delegitimises efforts to change systematic barriers, makes accessing care more difficult or unfriendly, often wastes time or confuses with "advice" that is unhelpful or outright destructive given the context of someone's medical background (I.E. telling someone with an eating disorder to control their eating more), and increases stress, which in turn, makes medical issues worse and harder to cope with. Instead, if we treat it as a medical issue, we avoid all of this and stop moralising or hurting people already struggling.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    One of the best available interventions is mandatory cooking classes in high school. Cut the necessary time out of other classes and do it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I had that in high school, no one cared, no one learned to cook there. In hindsight pretty dumb, but it is high school after all. If you don't want to learn, you don't. I just always liked cooking and the internet made it really easy to learn. But most of my friends don't cook at all. For them cooking is heating up chicken nuggets and spaghetty sauce out of a can.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Teach children how to eat. In school. Countries that do this have much lower obesity rates.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I was taught how to eat in school, from a food pyriamid modified by producers of breads, dairy and sugar. :(

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I've been proposing that we tax HFCS out of existence for years now. Tax the hell out of all calorie dense sweeteners. When Dr Pepper Zero costs half as much as the sugary stuff, you'll see a lot more people making the switch

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Since the advent of synthetic sweetners, obesity, diabetes and colon cancer rates have skyrocketed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    You know what else has skyrocketed since the advent of artificial sweeteners?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I think most problems with obesity will be solved like this:

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  • [–] 32 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Eating the rich has been shown to have a positive impact on weight loss and health in general.

    Seriously though, this is the answer. Obesity is a systemic problem.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    This sounds a little… cannibalistic

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Also terrible for cholesterol. Have you seen what they’ve been eating?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Eating cholesterol doesn't raise average blood cholesterol levels, it only spikes it for a few hours. The body adjusts.

    The rich are taking better care of themselves these days, because they're hoping to live long enough to reach longevity therapies, and eventually, immortality therapies, which they will very much keep to themselves.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    The collapse of industrialized society will solve it very quickly.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    I don’t think there is a solid answer but the current political chaos points to one step

    • make junk and fast food more expensive - vice taxes

    Looking at myself, I see portion size is the number one issue. Mental state also contribute, although I can’t claim anything treatable. So I eat too much and it’s a comfort thing but I don’t see a way for government to help me do the right thing there

    Exercise. While exercise isn’t the main contributor to being overweight, it does go to state of mind. I’m much less likely to overeat when I’ve been active. This is where we ought to be able to do something to keep people moving

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    You absolutely can get addicted to food, others turn to food for comfort, some eat as a response to trauma as well (ever see my 600lb life, almost every person there has had some sort of trauma or mental health struggle.), therapy and other mental health care never seems to make it into these plans and that, in my opinion, is where they fail.

    Most governments never seem to treat obesity as a chronic illness, just some sort of personal failing.

    Edit.

    Obesity risk factors are also genetic, no one chooses to be obese and the constant shaming and hatred people who exist in fat bodies get is unreal. I know fat people who are terrified of being seen even going for a walk outside because of internalised fat shaming, it fucks with your head something fierce.

    I grew up fat which did not set me up for good habits later in life, I have struggled with binge eating and stress eating all throughout my life, getting an ADHD diagnosis and medicated for it was probably one of the best things that could have happened to me, others in my situation may not have the ability to get that help or be in a place they are ready to even seek it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    What needs to be done and what will be done are unfortunately never going to align as long as someone stands to get rich on it.

    What needs to be done:

    • Healthier food options
    • Healthier work/life balance
    • Education on what is healthy and unhealthy
    • Encouragement to daily physical

    Why this will never be done:

    • Too much money to be made on "tasty" premade meals, which "tasty" and "profitable" require lots of flavor enhancers and preservatives, both very calorically imbalanced / dense and also toxic in large quantities (toxicity is how preservatives work). If you don't flavor enhance, your competitor will for cheaper and people won't buy your option. Also each growing industry insisting their food in solo is the healthiest when it is not. I'm pointing at you corn and grain industries.
    • 40 hr 9-5 8/5 work week is only office workers. Servicemen and retail sales often work 10-12+ hours per day or have all hours on call.
    • points at every part of the American education system and its exported policies other countries sometimes take up
    • Point 2 is the reason a lot of people don't exercise. There is no time to do so.
    • Healthcare is expensive. When there is money to be made, it is always in healthcare. If you can't afford a consumer product, you don't buy it. If you can't afford a surgery or medicine to save your life, you die. This simple fact makes it nearly impossible to have any say in how much a treatment costs.

    This is not just an American problem. Other western countries have this issue as well, and I hope people in other nations see the danger and keep themselves healthy.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I wonder if part of it is because food is less nutritious than it used to be. So we eat more to unconsciously fulfill our nutrition needs, inadvertently also eating enough to help increase weight. I'm not saying this is the answer, but it may be a contributing cause.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    not really. It's basically like smoking. The fast food gives you a nice feeling and you want more.

    We know it's bad for us. It feels too good to stop and is an emotional crutch and people lose the ability to self regulate the context for the cheap, high calorie foods.

    Source: am fat

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I stopped eating animal products and lost 50 lbs, so that's a start

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