But the military’s overall use of AI seems to be accelerating.

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[–] 8 points 1 month ago*

In a world where every news headline is completely insane this is perhaps the most insane one I've seen yet. People are casually just ready to start world war three because they're too lazy to check sources. We are truly cooked.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Markov machines don't hallucinate, believers of facist apparati do.

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    [–] 119 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    That’s how AI is going to kill us… It will fake something and make us bomb ourselves.

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  • [–] 114 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    It doesn't help that the people currently in charge are fucking stupid, trigger happy, and emotionally insecure.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Right so in the end it never was about the machines. In the end, it was man's folly which would have been our inevitable demise.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    in fact, that is the very reason how things are likely going to end badly.

    If actually competent and sane people were in charge, it would be unthinkable that they would trust some stupid llm on anything important.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago

    Right it’s not that it’s a killer sentient machine, it’s that it’s a faulty statistical model that outputs incorrect stuff all the time and credulous morons believe it uncritically (or even automate a response based on that inherently inaccurate output).

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  • [+] -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • I'm with you. When we allowed trump to get elected for a second time a imply because bargain, his opponenynhad a fucking vagina, i gave up. Bought a car that is fun ton drive be and gets 10 mpg, and started actually enjoying my life while I still can.

    Fuck these fucking fuckers. They cant be bothered to vote, they don't deserve a functioning world.

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    [–] 50 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Anyone letting a black box that cannot be audited make decisions should be immediately fired and barred from any leadership position for the rest of their lives.

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  • [–] 79 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Wait, I've seen this movie before....

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I see now why Trump has his eye on Greenland

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I feel like ballistic missile defense was always his point of Greenland

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Occupying Greenland and the Canadian arctic was almost entirely about detecting bombers coming over the pole. Subs and ICBMs made those bases useless. But Trump could literally think it's 1965.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    To believe that man has any intentions behind is actions is wild. He's easier to steer than a toddler with sugar treats. Someone told him to do it, everyone else complained, he tripled down to own the libs. He has no long term plans there, someone else might, but unless you can tell me who...we cant really assume assumptions. My guess is Putin told him to do the Greenland thing to destabilize nato

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  • [–] 56 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    oh my fucking god

    just dial the doomsday clock to 1am, because we'll probably miss it anyway if it's up to a few morons and glorified predictive text, both seemingly in "fucking kill everything" mode

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago

    We're nearing the end of the prelude to a Fallout game.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Techbros: AI will become sentient and kill us all unless its done my way.

    Reality: Skip the sentience part we're already at the death bit.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    Holy fucking shit, not during the stupidest fucking administration in the history of the world NOT DURING THE STUPIDEST FUCKING ADMINISTRATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

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    Fucking hell

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Do we're bombing Chinese vessels now? Wtf?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    sooner or later they are going to have friendly fire, and hallucinate one of thier own US navy vessels as "foreign with nuclear capabilities"

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    I bet there's some degree of sensationalist reporting here. It's a bit too reminiscent of WarGames for me to believe this actually happened.

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    War Games was a computer planning planet destroying nuke attacks because it was taught to play chess and not tic tac toe. it needed to learn about pointless victory. This is a bunch of jackasses in a room buying a thinky box asking it questions and taking the answers seriously enough to go to war relieving themselves of the burden of thought and common sense. this isn't War Games, it's a classic Star Trek episode except Kirk never shows up to teach us that you can't let a fucking computer program run your fucking military intelligence, because that's INSANE. Why would you do that? you need multiple human eyes on everything going on, you can't let a fucking language model do it for you... my god.... it's children doing their homework with AI, except their homework is the apparatus that used to enforce the rule of law on a global scale. granted, that was always a lie as it's more the gun that enforced colonial interests, but still. a gun that decides it need to start shooting random people who could win a war against us depending on the lines drawn and the time frame is a pretty dangerous thing to let go.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I dunno, these kind of hallucinations seem more like attempts at "social experiments."

    What will an agent do when it deems there are no more valuable things to learn from materials that already exist? If it knows the concept of WW3 and deems that to be the best way of gaining more knowledge and resources for itself, what then?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    you're assigning human traits to a computer program that is a language model that's not actually meeting the standards of artificial intelligence, it's a reward based system, you say 'what is the best build for a raiper weapon in Dark Souls', and it looks up faqs and spits out the language it expects you're looking for. it doesn't think and if it finds 12 joke posts on reddit saying something totally contradictory to how anyone would play the game, then it will give you the joke advice with no sense that that's terrible. if the military is asking it how to deal with their rival military is going to look at those key words and gather language to repeat back and if that language it find is biased, prejudice, hostile, incredibly out of date, well, it's not Intelligence, it doesn't think or understand anything, it's finding language, it's giving you that language back. and if it's looking at military documents to find that language, it's going to see bias and prejudice and hostility and a desire to engage in war for profit and it's going to regurgitate that back to them. it's horrifying the military is allowing a language model that's repeatedly been proven to magnify existing bias and prejudice if finds when looking for an answer is being allowed to process anything and is anywhere near the decision making process.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Jesus! I can completely see the Terminator style thing happening. An AI can easily infer that this would be the US response if it provided this information and a malicious Skynet style one can already start global conflicts. They need to stop using this technology for such purposes.

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    [–] 108 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

    This is how the AI will start WW3.5. Not by directing it to happen but by "Oopsie Doodles".

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  • [–] 100 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    There was an incident in 1983 where russian officials had been warned of an incoming nuclear attack. 4 missiles which would hit in roughly 3 hours. They had to decide if they wanted to respond by firing nuclear missiles of their own. The decision went to a 3 judge panel. The first 2 advisors said yes, fire nuclear missiles at the USA. The third man said no. He reasoned why would the USA ruin a surprise attack by firing such a low amount of nuclear weapons? If the USA was going to attack, it would attack with all it's might. It wouldn't fire just 4 missiles.

    The approval for retaliation required all 3 to agree on a decision. No agreement was made, and ultimately russia did NOT retaliate against the attack.

    Later, when no missiles hit russia, they realized it wasn't missiles. It was clouds. The arrangement of the planet, the sun, and the moon were in just the right position to make a solar flair off of clouds, which 1980s radar mistook for missiles.

    Now, let's look at this from the USA's perspective. It's just a random Tuesday. And nothing happened. America wasn't even made aware of the event until the 2000s.

    But let's imagine an alternate reality where the 3rd guy said yes. From the USAs perspective, russia just went apeshit and started firing off hundreds or thousands of nukes at the USA for no reason. Remember, they never did fire at russia, or even discuss it that day. They would have just looked at radar and realized they'd been attacked.

    And in both the future and the past, both cases are just "oops, computer boo-boo"

    So have fun sleeping tonight. Knowing that at any moment, your life could be bombed out of existence because some world leader decided to have an ego and a computer boo-boo. Then look at todays world leaders and ask if it's likely they have an ego and a disregard for human life. I mean fucking hell, Putin will intentionally get his own men killed.

    We live in the dumbest timeline.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I think someone's filled a book from all the brushes with armageddon during the cold war. This was far from a rare occurence.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Perhaps the closest was in 1995 when a US/Norwegian scientific rocket happened to enter the flight path an ICBM would take from US launchers to Moscow. The alert was sudden and fast-moving, and led to Yeltsin activating his launch codes and submarines placed on alert for imminent retaliation, the only time a nuclear state has been known to do so.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Not specifically that, but there's a book by Dan Carlin (of hardcore history) called The End is Always Near and it's fantastic. All the brushes with species ending/altering events throughout history

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago*

    You're confusing two different incidents. The missiles was stanislav petrov, who made the decision to not retaliate alone, as a lieutenant in a nuclear missile battery on land. The three man panel was a diesel electric sub that was trapped by NATO forces, and without contact with the kremlin for several days had to choose between surfacing and firing their nuclear torpedo. The captain and political officer voted to fire, but the third guy, who was some sort of admiral, refused to agree. So the sub surfaced, confirmed there was no war, and went back home.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    You're absolutely right, and thank you for pointing that out. 💯

    You did not ask me to launch a nuclear bomb. You asked me to tidy up a spreadsheet, and I launched a nuclear bomb. That's on me.

    What happened:

    • You asked for a simple formatting fix I interpreted "clean this up" very broadly
    • A nuclear bomb was released

    What you were right about:

    • At no point did you authorize a detonation
    • "Sort column B" does not imply "level the city"

    Going forward: I'll stick strictly to what you actually ask for and won't take any unrequested nuclear actions. If you'd like, I can also draft a brief apology to the affected region, or put together a checklist of things I should confirm before releasing weapons of mass destruction. 🌍

    Would you like me to do that, or should we get back to the spreadsheet?

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  • [–] 69 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This will be the way to justify any action they take.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    How would AI even have the info to pull together something like this? Are they literally feeding chatgpt military reports?

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    CNN’s report said the analyst in question used a chatbot to analyze intelligence reports regarding the Chinese ship’s manifest, leading to the near-disastrous result

    Last December, the Department of Defense announced it would use Google’s Gemini for Government as the basis for its bespoke “GenAI.mil” platform. Last month, the department added Grok for Government as an option on the platform. Anthropic also offers a customized version of Claude for US spy work.

    Basically

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Hegseths military would start a world war over some ai hallucinations

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Well, there are a lot of these ships going around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that freighters aren’t safe.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    That's some Dr. Stranglelove shit

    (Don't look at the joke too closely. Shhhhh.... Just let me have this.)

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago*

    So AI might actually destroy the World.

    Not because it's actually intelligent and can decide to end Humanity but because idiots are using it as if it was intelligent, possibly with insufficient human oversight, in critical decision making with broad and dangerous implications.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Dumb dumb dumb dumb

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Imagine it's war and everyone is on the wrong vessel.

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    [–] 49 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    AI is not going to kill us because they took control of nuclear weapons and fire them but because they going to tell the president that fire the Nukes is going to guarantee their reelection.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    I'll be honest at first when I read those reports I was like "eh chat gpt is not going to end the world" and then after a moment of reflection I realized the American government is so full of fucking idiots one of those morons is going to hook Claude up the nukes.....

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Exactly. Previously it would be some rich right wing lunatic trying to get the president to fire the nukes, now-a-days the rich right wing lunatic builds a machine to do it.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago

    The US narrowly avoided boarding a Chinese ship based on an “entirely false” US intelligence report generated with the help of AI tools, according to a CNN report.

    That erroneous intelligence, submitted by a US Special Operations Command analyst, suggested the Chinese ship was transporting nuclear arms program components through the Middle East, according to “four sources familiar with the episode” cited by CNN. The US military was preparing to intercept and board the ship, with air support, before officials discovered a chatbot used in generating the report had “inaccurately identified the material the ship was carrying.”

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    If it stops ships that are actually fine, then it also lets ships go that are totally not fine. Why use it?

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