It's not really student-led if the schools are making them go, is it.
Poor kids. They don't deserve to be used as a means to an end like this.
It's not really student-led if the schools are making them go, is it.
Poor kids. They don't deserve to be used as a means to an end like this.
I hope Mamdani charms the shit out of them and they all have a great time.
And Mamdani will probably smile and tell them it's their first amendment right to organize in such a way.
I can totally see him going outside to talk to them and successfully convincing the students that genocide is actually bad.
“It is time to show up proudly as Jews, as New Yorkers, and as Zionists.”
It’s time for us to show up as AIPAC stooges for genocide, apartheid and western imperialism.
This could backfire horribly for them. If Mamdani actually goes out and greets them, talks with them, and is just a nice person, this is going to make him look so good while making them look silly. From everything I know about him, this isn't unlikely either. The only concern is about making this acceptable, but since the children didn't play a role in this it seems fine to me.
Its not news that lots of jewish schools and clubs are Israeli aligned indoctrination machines. There are a few good documentaries out there just about this topic. This is on the low end of the outrage bar actually, they do way worse stuff like trying to recruit kids straight from US schools into the IDF.
birthright trips are exactly this. they reframe the zionist occupation as:
israel uses sex and sexuality to both glorify a patriarchy and to pinkwash genocide both at the same time. it's extremely gross
Race purity all the way for these psychos yep.
The Israelis who want grandchildren from their dead sons’ sperm
grew up as an anti zionist jew in nyc my whole life, everyone i know is like so disgusted and shocked i never went to birthright it’s like a glitch in the matrix for them. it’s one of the best brainwashing tools among so many more israel has
100%! I've seen so many people treat it as a travel opportunity and then go without any consideration for that you will only see what Israel wants you to see, and that it is only so cheap to go because they are paying to brainwash you.
Also the notion that a birthright trip is the defining aspect of Jewish life is INSANE! The whole thing with Jewishness is that our experiences with the experience are varied and diverse, yet there is a sense of community that ties us all together. To ignore that and focus on a state sponsored act of violence when for so many of us the point of our existence is to defy state violence is disgusting, vile, and infuriating.
The most horrifying to me has been how many former friends have come back from their trip and no longer eat unleavened bread for passover because "the exodus is over" like that was ever the fucking point
Israel has been a cancer on Judaism.
And although the destruction it did to Judaism is nothing compared to what it did to Palestinians, it's still killing Judaism.
Show up as a Jew, show up as a New Yorker. Love how they snuck Zionist in there. Jews and New Yorkers should not be held responsible for the actions of Israel.
Jews and New Yorkers should not be held responsible for the actions of Israel
... Unless they are actively and publicly using their speech and funds by their own choice to support a genocide, in which case they should be held responsible for such support for genocide.
FTFY.
Honestly, this is hella anecdotal, but all the Jews I've met in the USA (including myself though technically I'm not Jewish just have ancestry and grew up with some traditions) actually do not actively support Israel.
All of them have said what's happening to the Palestinians is fucked up and a genocide. I'm not friends with Zionists though.
I loathe that Israel has tried, and in many cases succeeded, to tie Judaism together with Zionism. It just leads to antisemitism because what Israel is doing is so wrong but the state seems to have a vested interest in people thinking of it as Jews doing it which is a messed up way to frame it.
Anyways yeah let's hold people accountable but you can't blame Jews as a whole for what Israel is doing.
Precisely! The thing at issue here is that the post is discussing specifically a subset of Jewish New Yorkers who are trying, actively, to tie Zionism inextricably with New Yorker Identity and Jewish faith, and using fucking children to do it. Such people need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for suborning genocide and material support of a terrorist organisation.
Except it seems a lot of people are Zionist both of the Jewish faith and what ever that bullshit thing they call Christianity I in America.
proudly as Jews
Okay, with ya
New Yorkers
Yes, makes sense
and as Zionists
Wtf? You're proudly hunting for more Lebensraum now?
“It is time to show up proudly as
JewsGermans, asNew YorkersBerliners, and asZionistsNazis.”
That's okay, they still get to enjoy the improvements in NYC anyway, even if they don't appreciate them.
It is time to show up proudly as Jews, as New Yorkers, and as Zionists.”
The KKK proudly showed up as Christians, Southerners, and violent racists....
A couple things like religion and location don't cancel out the whole "kill people for being different" thing
Unfortunately Palestinian children won’t be there to counter protest as they will be too busy being wiped from the earth by the IDF and Zionist policy.
Us Jews have a strong tradition of infighting and argument.
I'm looking forward to the antizionist Jewish children at the counter protest
All this does is muddy the waters of, "I'm against Israel, not Jews," which I guess is the point to make it easier to defend against criticism of Israel.
I mean it would be a protest but the fact that it's religion based and narrowly targeted makes it criminal harassment with a hate crime enhancement.
It is supremacist based
Religions are almost exclusively supremacist, spirituality less so but still they can be abused.
You can be supermaist without being religious. The argument of ancestral right to the land is more used to justify the colonization of Palestine than religion
This will either backfire because he's a genuinely awesome person or they will try to physically attack him and will get to learn firsthand what Qualified Immunity means.
Man, I remember they days when I was in school and when the admiration told us to do something, well we'd maliciously comply because as Pennywise says, fuck authority.
I hope these kids are bright enough to do just that and not be used as human shields.
I wonder what kind of turnout they'll get. Will it be three kids, 30, or 300?
I'm guessing on the low end. If the counter-protesters show up early, they will scare off the kids.
It’s ABSOLUTELY a protest, despite trying to rebrand it otherwise.
Shame on these parents for using their kids as a prop for their politics.
TF? When did Jews become the racists??
It's zionists. They've always been racist.
It turns out that the problem has never been racism, but who is allowed to dish it out.
It's antisemitic to conflate Zionists with Jews. Don't be antisemitic.
Every organized religion perpetuates bigotry.
hey that would be difficult to do as a Sikh, look them up sometime their history is interesting and surprisingly short
And yet there’s still Sikh terrorists.
Every religion produces extremists and people who try to twist the religion to justify their existing hate and politics. It’s a constant of humanity.
Legit 10 years ago I would have thought that a statement like that was racist. In light of what is going on today, I have a very different perspective.
Part of the zionist project is to make their ideology inseparable from Judaism and ethnic Jewish identity. To me it seems dangerous to conflate zionism with Jewishness as you're basically playing into their hands.
It wasn't intended as racist at all. I see the moderator has seen fit to remove my comment without realizing what I meant. Good day to you.
Hooooo boy
"Speak your mind", "don't be hostile"... then ... "shut up". I thought lemmy was better than this.
Notice how plenty of people here criticized Zionist fuckheads and didn’t get removed? Have you considered that it is your shitty racist behavior, and not everyone else’s fault?
I don't agree at all with the idea of sending kids to a protest like this, but I just want to point out that "Mamdani's home" right now is really Gracie Mansion, the official residence* of the NYC Mayor**.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gracie_Mansion
*(Unless said mayor is getting divorced, then his soon-to-be ex wife kicks him out...)
**(Or, unless the mayor is a gazillionaire with his own mansion that's better, thank you very much)
My point is that it's not like they doxxed him, they all know where he lives.
Is this a common thing? Do many American cities offer housing to their mayor?
Ninja Edit: only 5 instances
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_residence
(Scroll down HARD)
To be fair, the mayor of NYC is the most significant mayor in the country
Not common at all. Wikipedia lists only 4 cities, and one of those was never actually used as a living space by any of the mayors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mayors%27_mansions_in_the_United_States
They seem to all be gifts from a rich person to the city.
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