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[–] 144 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The selfie method stands out: on-device processing with no video retained is a meaningful privacy distinction.

Yea I don't buy it

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That quote from the article also sounds like AI wrote that bit.

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  • [–] 93 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    My friends and I are in Matrix with the Sable client since march and we are really happy with it.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You self-host or use a public instance? I've been curious about Matrix for a while but never found the time to set it up or find a decent instance

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    I was using a etke as a hosting service for a while but it was a bit expensive and I wanted more control. I set it up on my homelab with a VPS running a reverse proxy and like it a lot more. I believe I deployed it with someone's Ansable playbook I found on github. Make a matrix.org account and play around with it. I hate the Element client though.

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  • [–] 66 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Good thing Matrix and XMPP exist as alternatives.

    If I start getting straight-up locked out of Discord unless I show my face or ID, I'mma just stop using it full stop.

    I mean, shit, Discord's already getting ridiculous with their Nitro ads. No, Discord, I don't want Nitro, stop asking me. No needs to start meaning no again.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Matrix honestly sucks ass and is full of spambots posting illegal content

    Xmpp is too confusing for most people

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I agree with Matrix Sucking, it needs very heavy work on both frontend and backend implementations to be taken serious, that's why I stopped pushing it to my friend groups, the people I convinced to join ended up needing features it just doesn't support yet, like an actual permission system instead of the numeric based > x style, or actual custom emote capability that isn't a patchwork decided by the software and the huge barrier of getting started. People don't want to have to pick through 30 different frontends to find one that works perfectly for a server.

    Matrix works amazingly for the techies, or for people who want a limited IRC style feature set. But for for the casuals who are used to what discord provides, it just isn't a good competitor. It's complicated to get going, isn't unified and lacks features. Most people I have tried to suggest it have bailed due to that not long after joining.

    XMPP being difficult though? I hard disagree. It's well maintained, it's super established, and for the most part unlike matrix whom decided frontend needed to make decisions on feature-sets, everything on XMPP is backend based. You have the same issues as matrix client wise but, for the most part client feature-sets are universal due to how long it's been out. I would push XMPP long before I go back to pushing matrix again. I have had better luck keeping/maintaining people on XMPP than I have with matrix.

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  • [–] 59 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    I'm over 400 years old and if you don't believe me, I still use teamspeak.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    Of course you do. Now lets get you back to the home.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    That got me a good giggle, thanks

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Is the username a reference to Betty?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    nah it's a reference to a wasted month of my life thanks to Taylor farms.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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    I'm not verifying my old age with any online service. They can go fuck themselves.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My discord account itself is 11 years old now, most of my accounts are, but they still need to age check me. What did I set it up which n I was 4?

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Google Wallet users can share a passport ID pass; Google sends Discord a birthdate, and Discord derives age from it without retaining that date.

    ... if google wallet is determining it anyway, why can't google wallet just reply yes or no to the "is over 17" query... it seems like discord wouldn't need to know exact age at all in that flow.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    In sane countries the government has a neutral service, backed by laws securing anonymity of verification, for this kind of shit. Only in commercial, dystopian, kleptocracies does it seem reasonable to have a company doing this.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    it would have to ask daily, because you can be 15 today and 16 tomorrow (idk what the age cutoff is), but it also says the date isn't retained so you might be onto something

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Everybody says the data isn't retained. It's very stylish, today, to claim to delete unused data, at least until it get breached

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Even then, the prompt could be as easy as a "recheck" button that the user sees on age restricted media. Kind of like how their age verification bucket was going to be. Database side all they need to know is a boolean of true or false of if they are a minor or not. or /maybe/ a trinary (0,1,2) system if that wanted a distinguishment of < 13 13-17 and 18+ It doesn't have to check daily, it only has to check when the user requests access to age restricted stuff.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago

    Literally like they said they would.

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  • [–] 77 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    Fluxer continues rapid development and is now self-hostable.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    The current stand alone client doesn’t allow you to specify a self hosted server though I’m limited to the web interface until there’s a fix, hopefully soon.

    Really like fluxer though! Highly recommend it was very easy to set up and looks exactly like Discord.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    Genuinely the one issue I have with it at the moment. Had been using Matrix since early this year. Got Fluxer up recently when they got the beta apps. Shut my matrix server down about a week later. It's just nicer. Missing some things like E2E (for now) but my friends hated the additional step of having to put in that decrypt phrase anyway. Fluxer is easy and incredibly familiar out the box. Gonna keep my eye on Matrix clients though, but neither Element, Cinny, nor FluffyChat impressed.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Can't you specify instance when logging into a canary client?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I've been trying Fluxer recently and it's been really great. though not as nice as Stoat with emotes, they still give 500 emote slots and 500 sticker slots for servers on the main instance. The mobile app that recently came out are a bit rough around the edges, but works well enough to replace discord for me (if only I could get all my friends on it...)

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Does it have audio notifications yet? That was my deal-breaker when I tried it 6 months ago.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I wish they'd do a cheap "Nitro Classic" style tier, rather than just having only "Nitro Premium".

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If they had a super cheap $1 tier just for being able to use custom emotes anywhere, I'd honestly love that. Though I feel like the $5/month for Plutonium is a lot better than $10/month that discord nitro goes for

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    yea, that's exactly why they don't do that. They know the only main feature that they offer that people who subscribe actually want is the emotes everywhere, they won't offer a super cheap tier offering only that as the jump would be people on the 1$ tier and then people on the 10$ tier. Nobody would do nitro basic.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (1 child)
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    I'm so fucking tired of AI slop

    yesterday I even got google AI search summaries quoting Meta AI summaries of people's public facebook comments

    like guys I just want to know the fucking difference between these two driveway sealer products, I don't need a 1000 word AI generated food blog post on the incorrect reasons why sealing is important

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago

    I don't really understand after reading the article what changed? All they did was quote discords blog post from February and this random twitter account ... that also had no sources.

    Not to mention the article is AI slop.

    Is this like some sort of reminder or something? huh?

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  • [–] 48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (16 children)

    IRC exists and works great! :D

    I'm on a self hosted network that is active almost around the clock, full of chill, wholesome and welcoming people. I can PM details for anyone who wants to come check us out (there is a webchat option, no need to set up a IRC client if you just want to have a look), don't know if advertising is frowned upon here or not and I don't want to spam or upset anyone.

    Edit: Since my account is too young to be sending private messages to strangers, I'll add the info here:

    The server address is irc.inthemansion.com port: 6697
    Join #lobby and say "hello" :)

    Web chat can be found on the front page here https://inthemansion.com/ it will by default make you join #lobby. So if you are unfamiliar with IRC, that is the easiest way to try it out.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    My problem with irc was not remembering to connect and it not being persistent, so when I did show up it'd be empty unless it just happened to be in the middle of others talking. But I did want to get into it.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That can be solved with a bouncer. The bouncer stays connected and loads chat history, when you do connect. :)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe it was just the server I tried, but I could never get it to work. Or maybe I configured it wrong 🤷🏼‍♂️

    How's mobile support?

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  • Some bouncers need to have the chat history replay set to enabled, some clients need a plugin to replay the history. I use Soju+weechat and had to do a bit of configuring to get it to work, but now it does work fine. Also, some channels have a server side history replay enabled, for example, in our network the main channel replays automagically 15 last messages and you can do a command to replay the last 100 messages.

    Mobile support has improved a lot lately. There is a couple of users on the network who only use mobile to chat. Personally I don't use any, so I can't say much about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    IRC is older than World Wide Web, and unfortunately there wasn't as much innovation over years.

    It was designated for a live chat so thought of also storing history and replay it didn't make sense then (the reasoning was that if you needed to send something that's not live, why not use email?)

    Though people come up with own adhoc solutions like for example mentioned bouncer, some networks also had memo service where you could leave a message and there were also bots storing channel's log.

    If features like these are important to you, I didn't think you will be happy with IRC, adding them would require rearchitecting the whole thing.

    You can see for example slack doing it (it is heavily influenced by IRC although it evolved so much that maybe that is less visible now)

    I didn't have a chance to play with it yet, but I heard Matrix could be the successor to IRC.

    Nothing against IRC, I spent years on it and loved it, but it isn't great if important features for you are things like chat history when you were offline, embedding pictures in chat, threads, audio/video chat etc

    The things where IRC still rules is: simplicity, very low resource requirements, and no accounts need, just pick a nick and you are in (this is also why keeping history for each user is so hard to add, when servers didn't really handle accounts.)

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Implying IRC is in any way replacement for discord is absurd.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, I agree. No need to buy nitro, no gif spam, no emoji spam, not relying on one corporations good will. It is indeed much better ;D

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I've been on IRC for 30+ years. It's great for what it is.
    Until it can do voice and screensharing, it's not even in the same ball park.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I would also like the details, if possible.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I've been using IRC for going on 30 years now and always love finding new/interesting Servers so I would appreciate a PM with details so I can check it out, thanks!

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago

    Wish I could delete it again

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Moved onto Matrix a while ago because of this. Gonna be real, Discord is better but all Matrix asked me for was hardware verification. I fucking hate this ID verification thing. Like we are going to see a sharp spark in identity theft going forward.

    ...and shit, I might be part of it. I had to verify with an ID to get my CompTIA tests, which I passed. I am still arguing with Pearson to delete my personal data, but I might be in the shitter with all the others getting their identity stolen.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    What Matrix client are you using?

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    That is your problem, it's super slow and server management is hard. I am seeing that Sable seems to be popular.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    Ha! Well, I'm glad we moved our gaming community off of it when all this kicked off first time round, knowing full well it wouldn't be the last time they tried this shit. We started entirely self hosting our community to focus on user privacy and haven't looked back since.

    If people want a link to join, comment or DM, I don't want this to come across like a sales pitch or shill lol

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