lol how about y'all actually make competitive cars people want to buy first?

"Chinese-made". We had this exact conversation over 40 years ago. The result was Honda opening their factory in Marysville, OH. Under the laws at the time, cars manufactured at this factory were American-made, and not covered by any trade restrictions.

Now you might be thinking they'll use a different definition, like company ownership. Except Chinese companies already own minority stakes in several western brands. And since companies can own other companies, or stakes in other companies, it's trivial to setup a chain of shell companies. Chinese brands can own a company in Sweden that owns a stake in (e.g) GM.

Maybe if the US auto industry spent the last 10-15 years innovating and reinvesting instead of paying dividends and stock buybacks, it'd not be dying on its arse right now.

Made their own bed, and expecting the US consumer to keep buying overpriced swill.

So car manufacturers want to block their competition?

I am shocked I tell you, shocked!

Or you know, the government could just match Chinese industry subsidies so they're competing on level playing fields.

China's government is using government power to invest in critical and necessary industries that benefits everyone, like renewables and EVs, driving down their costs.

The US instead spends it's money investing in fossil fuel companies, and letting billionaires hoard it, and then complains when Chinese EVs are cheaper. You're the richest fucking country in the world. Stop fucking whining and start using your wealth to produce competitive EVs. It's not that fucking complicated.

Such a commitment to the Free Market.

Screw these guys. US automakers have basically abandoned any attempt to build an affordable, small, electric car leaving a giant gap for the Chinese to fill, and we would all be better off if they did.

I've owned a Chevy bolt for 4 years and love it, but Chevy/GM keeps trying to kill it (2nd cancellation in mid 2027) and move everybody to an electric Equinox. If they don't want to build small affordable (hopefully electric) cars, screw them, no sympathy. They clearly know people would buy these Chinese electrics.

Capitalists when there's capitalism

The beatings won't stop until you buy an American car.

Goat calls for more cabbage. And to not let other goats in the garden.

rooted in a well-documented pattern of unfair trade, subsidies, intellectual property theft and surveillance

I have faith in America, there's no way we're losing to china in patterns of unfair trade, subsidies, IP theft and surveillance.

The CEO of Ford publicly keeping his Chinese car tells you everything you need to know. They’re afraid of the competition

People call for reasonable Healthcare and an end to fascism. Guess which of these calls is more likely to get answered.

Yeah I bet they did LOL

Skim read that as 'cheese made cars'. That was a confusing couple of seconds.

People rinsing you for cash call for expulsion of fair trade

“How long until you’ll be able to compete?”

Let them have Jeeps

Something something free market.

The degree to which pro-capitalists are right about the benefits of competition is exactly the degree to which actual capitalists pay politicians to stifle it.

Are Chinese made cars that good, that the auto industry is scared? I say bring them on.

I thought the point of capitalism was to compete.

Of course they did. They know that they can't compete. Chinese EV and battery tech would take out the whole industry.

I'd prefer protectionism to the extent of making small, electric cars more attractive than all other cars; and to the extent of making public transit, pedestrian- & bicycle-friendly architecture more attractive than all cars.

There's a parallel universe where the US continued supporting its own domestic EV industry with more tax credits, more charging infrastructure, more grid investments and stricter corporate fuel economy standards. Maybe in that universe the automakers would attempt to compete with Chinese EVs instead of whining. Instead we elected orange man. Oh well.

I would trade this for repeal of Chicken Tax.

Welcome to crony capitalism: Free Market*

* conditions apply

The freeer the market, the freeeeeeeer the people 🤣

rooted in a well-documented pattern of unfair trade, subsidies, intellectual property theft and surveillance.

Why are they describing the US auto industry?

Congress needs to make a law/bill instead to require stringent checks that verify zero remote telemetry, crash testing/safety scores and equipment, fuel efficiency requirements, lighting/functionality requirements, etc.

Then if the Chinese ones pass, cool. If they don't then the "ban" is in place like they wanted.

My guess is they won't because the "big three domestic" manufacturers won't pass either.