Hi! I’m in my forties too, with unmedicated ADHD.
I’m not sure who I am if I relax. I’ve never done it. I’m just like this all the time—reserved and restrained all the time.
Hi! I’m in my forties too, with unmedicated ADHD.
I’m not sure who I am if I relax. I’ve never done it. I’m just like this all the time—reserved and restrained all the time.
I wrote paragraphs of my experience and realized the best advice I can give after going through it myself is, stop being afraid of being yourself and most importantly speak to a medical professional for help on ADHD burnout.
As far as the real you, for me I found he wasn’t mad, he was sad. And was tired of being treated like a monster for opening my eyes to the burnout I felt starting at 20. He simply was trying to protect me and I used him like an old dirty mattress at a porn shoot. Forgive yourself and try making recompense and start working together for balance, meaning stand up for yourself more.
Same boat friend. I can't hold a job for longer than a few years and I live in an area where there are very few options so my resume is a disaster. Once I'm in a place for too long people start to notice my quirks. At first it's funny and cute, but then it gets difficult and people turn on me. Misunderstandings build and compound. Some people even see my imperceptiveness as a weakness for them to exploit.
But there is one job that I am trying to pursue again. It involves travel, working remotely, seeing new places all the time, and meeting new people for a few days at most. For me it was electrical inspection and investigation. What this means is my mask only needs to be worn for a little bit at a time. Even if someone notices my quirks, it's received as charming and then I'm gone forever. My coworkers are too busy doing the same to really care, and I only see them once a year at best.
The pay was shit so I left but now it's worth the hit. This last year has been devastating for me:
And all of this during the dumbest time in human history. Economy is trash, job market is a veritable dumpster fire, Odyssey was so loud I had to walk out holding my ears because my loops did nothing, and every day I just go home and sit under the kitchen table with my toddler and cry. He holds my face and sings a song he made up for me, "it's o-kaaay, it's o-kaaaaay, it's o-kaaay, it's o-KAAAAAY". That song is my tether to sanity.
Burnout baby. My routine was my foundation for life and it's gone. I don't even pretend to have a long term mask anymore. I don't engage with anyone. When I'm at work, I treat my interactions as if I didn't exist after COB and had no personal opinions. I keep asking short questions that demand a lengthy response and let people crumble under the weight of them listening to themselves carry the entire conversation. But it never comes back on me and I'm such a blank slate that I have no personality at all.
I think I get it. I have no solutions. But I'll sit under your kitchen table and cry with you if it helps. I'll even sing you the song. It really does help.
Oh, and neurodiverse people don't hear this enough, but you are important and you are loved. Even when we don't feel it.
That's less about ADHD than trauma, though the first often begets the other. I'm on the same boat. A trauma focused therapist has helped me.
Forgiving myself, allowing myself to suck at something, to not be perfect, were my starting points. I haven't got to know myself yet, but some of me seems to be shining through the cracks I'm growing on my masks.
The feeling of a wasted life is a recurring one. A whole lot of could have beens. I'm suppose to mourn it and let go instead of lamenting it. I'm not there yet.
I do recommend you find a good therapist. Professional help is a must. Good luck.
I've unfortunately learned that continued masking is the price we have to pay for our existence in this society. The few times I let up I paid dearly (broke down at work due to years of accumulating stress - fired. Broke down at home because of the former - almost lost my relationship. Etc.).
I'm no longer willing to jeopardize my already bleak future with it.
i have been struggling with this too, i am still so frightened all of the time and i know it is part of what prevents me from forming connections with others.
art is helping me a lot, i think, though i don't fully understand how yet. maybe it is letting me figure out little pieces of things that are in me and express them, or maybe it's the experimentation and play that i felt like i wasn't allowed to do earlier in life, or some combination of things. perhaps there is something like that for you.
i really hope you have access to some good support systems. and please do be kind to yourself. our poor brains are so tired. i wish i could offer some better advice but i am stumbling in the darkness myself.
I'm 30 now. I got diagnosed at 28. Burned-out at 22 or so.
Grew up in a fairly authoritarian house where large areas of personal expression were disallowed / unacceptable and others were or felt restricted through more or less RSD conflicting with emotionally immature family.
I learned to play an acceptable act and abandoned many parts of myself without even really being aware that I was. Not only that, but as my ADHD symptoms manifested more as I grew up, it also turned me from other "acceptable" things I loved. I realize this is different than your experience of never coming to know yourself.
But the point I want to make is that, in my opinion, ADHD and masking erase much of what we were, and stunt where we are in many ways. And I think there's 3 main areas to focus toward in undoing that damage.
Even though I'm 30 I'm more or less in the position of an early 20's person in many ways. So I try to allow myself the things a 20-something would be doing.
Try new activities, step outside your comfort zone, form new friends groups. You won't simply discover who you are if you do not subject yourself to a range of experiences and continue those you find bring you some inner understanding, peace, or positive emotion.
For me, a man largely raised by women but in a family where men exhibiting femininity was judged, a large part has been accepting and expressing my femininity.
I paint my nails loud obnoxious shiny colors now. Could barely have imagined doing black a few years ago, literally had to be coaxed into it. Now in a complete 180, I love dressing up and picking/wearing glasses and jewelry and I know what colors and fits of clothes look good on me, etc.
Second, I accept and listen to my ADHD with compassion rather than try to exert willpower to fight it constantly. I do what I/it actually need now and accept that though it makes me struggle in other ways it's worth it.
I work again, but only 25 hours a week and I still call out when I need to, which is more than most would. I don't hold my incapacities against myself anymore but instead do my best to accomodate them. I focus on what is making doing things hard and try to eliminate as many obstacles as possible. Cut down on the number of things I need to commute to and from work every day is a big one for me as an example.
And a third aspect encapsulating all of this imo is pursuing medical treatment. I did a lot of cognitive behavioral therapy work with professionals and alone during my several years of burnt-out, still before I had any idea I had ADHD, working toward a better mental landscape.
Learning to trust myself, learning to treat myself with kindness and compassion, learning how to nurture myself. Focusing on learning mindfulness and improving my executive function. It's hard to find yourself if you're wading through a lot of negative emotion and past experience.
I also found the meds to be incredibly effective once I did get a suspicion and seek/get diagnosis. Through therapy, I'd been able to learn to keep up on house tasks and errands and personal upkeep and whatever like a teen. I was barely keeping up, but I was doing it. When I got on the meds, I suddenly could do all that with way more consistency and less effort, but could also feel like I was able to work part-time while doing so.
Wishing you better times and much growth in self-knowledge and contentedness. 💜
TL;DR:
Pursue cognitive behavioral therapy, and ADHD meds. Try new things and meet new people. Push your comfort zone. Treat and listen to yourself/your needs with nurturing and compassionate understanding and accommodation.
How do you know your family was just emotionally immature instead of also having ADHD/RSD?
🤷 I don't know.
In fact on thinking about it, I strongly believe both my parents probably do atleast. We're all the black sheep of the extended family. The rest might have something or not but ultimately the source is different from the outcome. The outcome in this case being my subjective experience of being raised by family who acted in emotionally immature ways.
I grew up with my parents screaming and yelling at eachother and me. Which was by far of course not the only emotionally immature behavior but is a good contrast to the rest of my extended family who won't even talk to eachother about any issues they're having with one another.
They have a third family member communicate back and forth for them. I have seen that happen multiple times in my life, and it's always only after it's clearly been affecting both sides for months.
I dont' know if I have anything but im in my 50's and feel like this. Its like with the right challenges and interesting things I was able to really do things but honestly everything seems based less and less on logic and more and more on bs and I am just having trouble functioning anymore.
It seems like people normalize nonsense and I'm tired of participating. I don't know why everyone does the things they do and life feels like a bad movie that is just one train wreck after another.
As a species we have really jumped the shark. Given that, I find myself asking what to do with it. Do I resist? Do I accept with calmness, with resignation, with the revelry at the absurdity of it all? Do I dismiss the idea of meaning and purpose? Of there being right ways that things should be? Abandon even the idea of absurdity as another form of judgment? Yeah, I know I probably sound 14 and deep, but Inadequate as my writing might be, it's what I grapple with.
Seeing the onslaught of traffic, stuck, moving in one direction, and then the other direction in my locale knowing this is replicated everywhere across the continent and even further out into more and more cities all across the planet. That's the one that I just can't get over. That's beyond nonsense and in the realm of insanity
In my fifty's. Lots of anti anxiety prescriptions and antidepressants. I'm doing better now. I feel more like what the inside of my head looks like. YMMV.
If you're open to them, consider trying psychedelics. They're not a panacea, but they really get at the heart of the kinds of things you're dealing with, in my experience.
Posting another comment... for saliency maybe
Recalling last time I had what may be a burnout.
...hmmm
Maybe not a burnout?
I used to work out 2.5 hrs a day because I was afraid I'd fall apart if I didn't. Now I can't work out at all.
Thats probably really frustrating
You did work out, though, for 2 1/2 hours, for however long you sustained that habit, you did sustain it and the yields / results of that habit didnt disappear overnight. I would tell you that I admire that you did that real physical & mental effort, as a routine, to improve and maintain your health directly in spite, or despite, the difficulties you have.
I had attached climbing to my ego and personality and when I began to slow down and eventually stop it impacted my sense of self. I guess I realize as I age that our sense of self, ego, et al, has to be coddled to some degree and I have to think about "who am i" from time to time.
I like the quote "I am multitudes" (Looked it up its, "I am large, I contain multitudes."-Walt Whitman) Brilliance, from a brilliant poet IMO.
I also find some solitude sometimes to think of myself in a deist, "everything is one" sense, "Im no different, (figuratively, qualitatively...) from the air around me.... even tho it is a bit like a its a woozey its a wazy thinking.
But anyway, I sure do hope you can find a little peace and a little solidity in finding out who it is that is you it sounds like a hard time.
Introspective thought. When it's the case of doing something, think of the reasons why you're doing or not doing them. And when it's because of your own choice, think of why you make that choice.
I realized recently that I do nit donmuch of anything unless it's under threat. Don't pay bills, bad stuff happens. Don't work, get fired. I don't want to do anything. I'm almost afraid to.
If you're afraid of the consequences, nobody can help you other than yourself. I'd say not to stop at the bad things and try to explore ways around them. If they happen, because they can happen even when you do things properly, find your options to move past them.
There's nothing under the mask. Your face is for communication with others
You have to take off the mask, reshape it to communicate what you want to show the world, and accept it as your real face
That's just another mask.
Your real self is the you when you're not trying to be something else. You have to feel safe and be calm and then that's you. You could possibly alter it with effort, but not as easily as a mask.
You could possibly alter it with effort, but not as easily as a mask.
That's my point. A mask and a face are the same in nature. We all act differently around different people, everyone has different sides to themselves that are all real
Every mask and face you have is a part of you. It's not fake, it's a layer of communication. If you don't feel comfortable in it, it feels like a mask. That's entirely what makes it a mask
You have to examine it and figure out where it doesn't fit right, and then wear it until the changes become ingrained behavior
The final step is to accept you're not wearing a mask anymore
We all act differently around different people
You've just internalized the problem and called it normal. You shouldn't need to be different around different people. That's exhausting and most people don't do that. That's the neurodivergent coping mechanism.
You've just internalized the problem and called it normal. You shouldn't need to be different around different people. That's exhausting and most people don't do that. That's the neurodivergent coping mechanism.
No, literally every human being does do this, whether they're aware of it or not. We are very social species that is extremely sensitive to the group we're in and the social context. From the most neurotypical normie to entirely nonverbal autistic people, we all have different sides
Do you think people are masking when you bring a dog or a baby into a room and they act differently? Is it masking to act professionally at work? Do you think you really act the same with your friends and grandparents?
You keep dancing around the core of this - the discomfort from modulating your behavior in ways you don't want to is what masking is. That's the part that's exhausting
I haven't internalized a defense mechanism, I got rid of the discomfort. I've decided I'm often comfortable with silence (even if others aren't) and made peace with the fact people will misunderstand me often and stopped letting that drive my interactions
I also code switch hard and mirror people's speech patterns... But that's not a defense mechanism, that's just how I prefer to interact with the world. I like that I can fit in pretty much anywhere I want to be, it's easy and natural for me
That's what it means to stop masking. You don't change as a person, you learn to express yourself in a way that isn't exhausting
Well, I just got diagnosed with ADHD and instantly got Concerta. So I guess I'm one of you after all?
Oh and I burned out at around 28 I guess. Stopped keeping up with my riggid, cruel job.
So my real self is just less efficient, pisses people off constantly, and is utterly alien to everything I built to do.
Put in that 60% and clock out. That is all they are paying you for.
I am kinda glad, I had a mindset shift at like 17 to just live to entertain myself and after that I found some neurodivergent folks at my school at the time and had the time of my life. Before that were some major depressions and social circles that didn't enjoy my presence (and I didn't enjoy theirs too!). It makes a huge difference if there are people near you who do vocal stimming with you lmao
8 years your junior and barely starting medication and therapy after recent diagnosis....here's my thoughts
I've realized thst sometimes ill latch on to a joke or a made up story, or funny way to say a word....most people will respond eith derision, confusion, and or rarely anger. Rarely people will wuite enjoy that particularly quip or joke and even rarer someone will use it on someone else and then report to me how the receiver thought they were crazy or something and ive had to tell people that cannot say some of the things I say unless theu understand and are prepared for that reaction lol......
When I have good energy, and low anxiety I can handle these bad reactions....and when I do not, yes, it hurts not to be able to express myself fully foe wither (a) low social engagement / lack of energy / lack of task initiation / depression or (b) fear of reaction / lack of interest in sharing positively with people who "possiby dont deserve my personhood"
Hmmm so I am sorry you experience something like that (At least thats how I conceptualized it)
I believe we, humanity, ADHD or not have an impetus to output the most genuine versions of ourselves online and elsewhere as, ADHD or not, we are all also effected (by varying degrees) by the disenguinity and love-absent and kindness-deprived reality of many parts of the internet and corporate working.
? Sometimes for me...I need to be alone for long periods of time, I meed to experience some amount of lack of stimulation and real boredom pulling me into my ("home self") wherein I read Wikipedia articles, try something novel like crocheting or juggling, and generate some new shiny thing which adds in to my growing sense of broad-spectrum interests as a part of "me" and my personality.
Sorry for long text which is only somewhat coherent
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