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[–] 23 points 2 months ago (4 children)

And when centrists say "compromise with" they mean "capitulate to."

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Swedish scenario:

    • Before one election the far-right party declares liberalism the enemy, and the Liberal party responds with election slogans on them accepting the challenge
    • next election the Liberal party join the side of the far-right, declare the far-right policies as liberal-actually, almost gets kicked out of Renew for being too fasc
    • third election, in a little more than a week, it is not expected that they will remain in parliament, polling at 2-3.5% of the necessary 4%
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    [–] 35 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    Let's at least be honest about this. Democrat like schumer and jeffries aren't liberal. They are just paid corporate lackeys.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    “Liberal” is a useless term because it means something else to everyone.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    It should be par with liberty and they're more aligned with workers, whereas the conservatives are sichophants and lackeys.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    And what do you think liberals are?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Here's a tip: When you see "deleted by creator", it means someone changed their mind.

    In this case, I realized I had conflated your response with another response - you had not replied to someone else I'd misread initially that you had.

    So now you wasted your time and mine. :P

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    The Liberal party in Sweden is about to crash out of parliament after compromising with the fascist to have a couple of seats in the government. Bye bye!

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    More importantly, does Frodo denounce Hasan Piker?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Far left really getting angry when people don't agree with every point they make, and no, I'm not refering to the strawman allowing fascism to permiate like in this post.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    That's the authoritarian left, not the far left. Tankies would very much like you to think like they do and fight for the glory of China/Russia/North Korea.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    russians are not very left lately. more like very-very-very far right. it doesn't matter though because these guys are wackjobs with no real ideology.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    True, which makes it even more wild that tankies stan Russia.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Not really, when you realize that tankies are fundamentally authoritarian.

    Bit like how 1984 was banned in the US for being pro communist and banned in the USSR for being pro capitalist, when in reality, it's anti-authoritarian.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    The vocal minority sure is. I'm guessing a large majority are keeping their heads down and hoping they don't get drafted.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    or they are complacent. if these folks really disliked their precious regime - it would've been long gone. but it is not. that's probably means something.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Eh, everyone is complacent. That's not a Russian thing, that's a people thing.

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    Americans have entirely surrendered to trump, Europe is entirely surrendering to government surveillance via chat control, ME is basically just warlords and Israel freely bombing whoever they want.

    Everyone is complacent.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Eh...

    The amount of people who consider themselves progressives but who still want a DNC picking favorites in primaries is still really fucking high.

    The end goal needs to be an unbiased party (and that's what we have right now) because that's the only way primary voters get to pick the candidate they want.

    We don't need a DNC that favors progressives, because Dem voters favor progressive policy.

    It's like Usain Bolt showing up for a JR high field day. We don't need to rig the games, we're obviously going to win as long as it's a fair race.

    Under no scenario should "the party" be telling voters who to support during any primary.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    This meme format doesn’t really fit the situation

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Yeah, right. Some people need to learn history.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Nobody ask what comrad Molotov was doing in '39!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    How did this thread become about the Hitler-Chamberlain pact and the Molotov Ribbentrop pact all of a sudden?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Apparently the "alliance with Hitler" phase of the Soviet Union is a hotbutton issue for .ml users

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Liberals that aren't really liberals but act like it for votes while kissing the ring of the corporate state.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Liberalism is propaganda created by the wealthy people to justify doing whatever the fuck they want. Everything about it is a lie except choice, the one thing liberalism can actually lay claim to.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Ah yes, I forgot

    • ...facts were determined by public opinion polls?
    • ...that the Soviets definitely didn't rely on wartime propaganda? Or maybe that official US and UK documents didn't show officials conceding to support and amplify USSR propaganda in order to stabilize a fragile wartime cooperation?
    • ...that people of war ravaged mainland Europe had a magical ability to fully digest and comprehend the largest war in human history a few months after it ended? Including contributions from continents on the other side of the world?
    • ...that the general population of Europe in 1945 (many born in the 19th century; before planes, trucks, tanks; in an age where sailing ships still had value; before widespread use of even the basic machine gun) had a strong appreciation for the rapid advancement of military technology and the ballooning complexity of modern warfare? They certainly were doing a deeper analysis than looking at frontlines and death tolls.
    • ...that they all had immediate access to the still highly classified documents on military technology, strategy and logistics? [Christ, May 1945 was still months before THE ATOMIC BOMBS were dropped...]
    • ...that internal Nazi documents didn't show a strong strategic reaction to the threat of US involvement, US & UK strategic bombing, and newly opened Allied fronts? Hitler was ordering troops away from the battle of Kursk toward Italy... just for fun I guess. The random French citizen clearly knew better.

    Wtf are we even trying to say here... Classic ML chart that masquerades as an argument ending bombshell but actually means fucking nothing.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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    Ribbentrop, Nazi Germany's Minister of Foreign Affairs. This picture was taken after the Soviet Union agreed to collaborate with Nazi Germany to invade Poland together.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago

    Thanks, there's so many bastards in the world it's hard to remember all their faces.

    But ultimately that picture is a "communist" fascist working with a "socialist" fascist. Both bastardising words and definitions to gain popular support. There are no leftists in that picture.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (10 children)

    Whataboutism. Godric, what is your deal? Everything you post on this subject is so meh. You seem to simultaneously care so much, yet are so uninformed. Did a communist rear end you at some point? This all feels like some weird little personal vendetta at this point, and I just don't really understand what you get out of this.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

    Meme about collaboration with fascists

    Mentions the whole "allied with Hitler" phase communists had

    BRO WHAT IS YOUR DEAL, WHADDABOUDISM

    If you are genuinely curious, pointing out the abject hypocrisy with one picture and watching the subsequent morally+intellectually bankrupt shapes people twist themselves into to defend a literal alliance with Adolf Hitler is its own reward. It's like how mentioning Trump's friendship with Epstein to redcaps gets them frothing at the mouth with wild excuses to defend their team.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    It was not a literal alliance it was a non-aggression pact. You can go read it yourself.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    A month after invading Poland together, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia signed the "Nazi–Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty".

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    A month after invading Poland together

    They did not. Germany invaded Poland and poland capitulated and the government went into exile. Then, the Soviets entered the former Polish territory to prevent it getting into the hands of the Germans.

    Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia signed the "Nazi–Soviet Boundary and Friendship Treaty".

    Having "friendship" in the name is not an alliance either.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    Oh shit! Soviet Russia didn't aid Hitler in a premeditated war of conquest against Poland? The Soviets and Nazis "didn't" make agreements on how to divvy up Europe between them?

    Yeah, Stalin waited two weeks to invade Poland, he's a SAINT!

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    No they literally did not. The molotov-ribbentrop pact is declassified you can go and read it. It said nothing about a joint invasion.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Thank you for the explanation, here I was thinking Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia coincidentally co-invaded Poland by happenstance.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Invasions take months of planning. The Nazis were planning on invading not the soviets. The molotov-ribbentrop pact was signed 2 weeks before the Nazis invaded and signed 1 week before by the supreme Soviet.

    Of course I'm sure you would've rather all of Poland go to the Nazis when they capitulated.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    So the Soviets didn't sign a treaty with Hitler to split Poland between them?

    Here I was thinking signing an alliance with Adolf Hitler to invade a country together was something vile enough anyone could easilly condemn, thanks for correcting me!

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    No true leftists here as I see it

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah the leftists won't have even made it to that point because they'd be infighting and purity testing still.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is pure nonsense to divide the left. Get fucked.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago

    oh yay more lemmy.ml bullshit

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  • [+] -7 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Fascism and authoritarianism is something everyone thinks they can use, until it eats them.

    Centrists think they can compromise with fascism to keep the status quo.

    Right-wingers eagerly use fascism to get what they want and don't even pretend to give it up.

    Left-wingers use fascism with the promise that they'll give it up once the revolution is complete, and then never give it up.

    Fascism, like the One Ring, is power manifest. You want it to achieve your goals, but once you have it, it's almost impossible to relinquish that power.

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    Fascism, like the One Ring, is power manifest. You want it to achieve your goals, but once you have it, it’s almost impossible to relinquish that power.

    People give up power all the time...

    The current DNC chair inherited over a billion dollar war chest from the neoliberals to do anything with he wanted, zero oversight or rules.

    He dumped it back to the state parties it was stolen from instead of using it to bribe state parties into what he wanted.

    The way to fight fascism, is to keep power distributed.

    We don't have to consolidate power, that's always been an option. And next election we have a shot at electing a president that will limit their own power, and the power of every future president.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago

    Compromise is unfathomable to liberals

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