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[–] 87 points 2 months ago (26 children)

If Streamers were smart, they'd lock pricing and change it for new signups.

Their problem is numbers retention. People would hesitate to cancel if their $8 plan would have to be 15/month or more to restart.

Moving everyone up, just pushes people to cancel, and they'll be even more unlikely to come back if prices keep going up

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    That’s what Dropout does, and while I’m not likely to cancel anyway because I love their content, I’m even less likely knowing if I left and came back not would be on the higher sub price

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I did not know that, but I just signed up a little over a month ago.

    But yeah, even if I run out of their backlog, I'm probably going to keep that active anyways

    Super weird it's basically College Humor legally, but they're doing a really good job.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Super weird it's basically College Humor legally, but they're doing a really good job.

    Yeah, the transformation from College Humor to Dropout is honestly a masterclass in business (and marketing) management. I fully believe that it’s the kind of thing that college marketing majors will be writing papers on in the future.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Nice user name/instance combo. Now get out there and post, post, post!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I think you’re actually the first person to notice (or at least the first to mention) the reference! Always good to see another crawler in the wild.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's a 2$ increase from 13$ to 15$. I feel like most people don't care and it's more of a boiled frog situation than anything else. I doubt anyone is seriously going to cancel for an extra 2$ unless they were already planning too tbh.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago*

    Also, don't most people mentally round that up anyways? $13 was already $15 as far as I was concerned, so, this is just raising it what what I basically thought I was already paying. If they raise it again though, it's going to $20 which is gonna be a tougher pill to swallow.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Most streamers at least have annual subscriptions at a discount. Netflix is month-to-month only, which is just asking for churn.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is what they do instead. The long term agreement discount encourages people to stay subscribed rather than discouraging people from (re)starting a subscription.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Payment processors take a cut of every transaction, so it is better for the provider too. And if they are small, not applicable to Netflix, it is nice to have a baseline of income every year.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    They're not trying to make a good product. They're trying to get their short term gains.

    Normal capitalist bullshit where a handful of people (who probably don't even do any work) make decisions and keep almost all the profits.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    It's been a while since I do on and off, watch stuff that interest me on service X then cancel, watch stuff on service Y then cancel, and so on. There are just too many services to be subscribed to all.

    Quality of content being the thing that keeps me.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    That sounds like terrible economics when you have hundreds of millions of customers who will likely just accept it

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The cost in electronic services is in acquisition; the nominal cost to deliver services to a paying subscriber is lower than acquiring a new one.

    Yes you would flatten your margin with existing customers by not hiking their rates (or not as much) but pretending there won't be defection assumes near monopoly--which the US has permitted largely for the last 4 decades.

    Cell phone companies made it super easy to leave by only offering good discounts to new customers.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Netflix are saturated, let’s not pretend they need new subscribers

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Jesus....

    This is a couple years old but:

    Shares of Netflix closed down more than 35% Wednesday after the streamer reported earnings Tuesday evening that showed it lost subscribers for the first time in more than 10 years.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/20/netflix-plunges-trading-subscriber-loss.html

    The product is the stock price.

    Amount of subscribers effects stock price.

    They raise price as a reaction to not meeting aubscriber goals.

    Which is a short term fix that needs to be done over and over again.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Then you don't understand why long term reliable customers are better than intermittent ones...

    Which means you don't know anything else about business, and are just going off vibes

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I'm sure they tested it and found that enough customers would stay to make it profitable.

    Consumers, especially Apple users, accept higher prices. It's baffling to me but true.

    In 2014, Netflix was $8/month. It's now 12 years later and Netflix is $20/month.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You said basically nothing that counters anything I said

    Enjoy getting back to high school

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    i used to do the one-month binge on one service. then awhile later, do a different one.

    prices kept going up. i don't even do that any more.

    it's been over two years now without anything but what i already have in my library, or the occasional free streamer through pihole or a ubo-backed browser.

    i just don't care about new 'tv' or movies anymore.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago

    In related news, piracy of AppleTV exclusives will go up by about 20%...

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  • [–] 75 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Damn, I’ll have to keep not subscribing!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    same here, im not sure how people find the time really. I'm never subscribed to any of them though. I'm retired so don't really have the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I have time, it's just that I can think of much better things to do with it. I spend my free time generally either reading, gaming solo and with my spouse, and exercising. TV is fine occasionally, but it's such a passive activity.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Radarr, sonarr, prowlarr (with flaresolverr) and qbittorrent tied to a gluetun instance. Deploy jellyfin, and these rate increases instantly become irrelevant.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Flaresolverr was not working all that well for me. I switched to byparr and now I'm using trawl, which seems to fail less.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I'll try those as well, thanks. Flaresolverr is working for me (for the moat part anyway, lol), but it's great to know there are alternatives, so thanks for sharing. I'll try them over the weekend.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Sucks. Still my favorite streaming service because of all the high quality science fiction shows and no ad tier.

    So far they haven’t cancelled any of the shows I’ve been super excited for either. It’s not like scamazon or netsux where they do a season and it’s awesome but oh, no! It isn’t #1 for a month on launch!… better cancel it.

    It’s still just a billionaire owned company though and likely to do what everyone else does eventually. Can’t wait for the next thing to come along and nuke ads again.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    Which shows do you recommend? Try sailing the seas?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    For All Man Kind is great, Star City is pretty good so far, Silo is great but drags at parts, and Severance is great, Foundation is well made and gets a little better each season. Monarch started strong, but gave up on it. Invasion was okay. Overall these shows are better than almost everything else on TV. Plenty of good non sci-fi too, widows bay, slow horses, lasso, etc. Definitely building out a high quality catalog and hitting their stride.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah I've enjoyed for all mankind. Tried foundation feel asleep the first few times. Will try it again and the others thanks!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I started Star City, and the fact that everyone speaks English in Russia just took me out of it completely. Couldn't make it through the first episode, it was so distracting.

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  • Alternative would be to be a show entirely subtitled which might kill its broad appeal, so understand why they did it. But definitely takes some getting used to. Gonna be weird if they ever start talking to people in America and have to switch to them speaking both Russian & English.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    streaming was never sustainable venture anyways. 8 episode for shows makes them forgettable.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago

    🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

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  • [+] 26 points 2 months ago* (17 children)
  • [+] -55 points 2 months ago (16 children)

    Nobody cares that you pirate, it’s not as cool as you think

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  • [–] [S] 46 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    It's not as cool as you think, it's way cooler!

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  • [+] -34 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Most people would keep it quiet, guess we are dealing with a bunch of kids here

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Corporations don’t care about you. Stop sucking their dicks.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The concern isn't that corporations deserve protection. It's that as thesr platforms gain notoriety, those corporations lash out and force them to cease operation, which is fundamentally inconvenient to pirates.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Are you insinuating that they are not aware people torrent or which sites they use?

    Or, that they haven't or aren't currently going after torrent sites?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    They are good but there is no easticity for me, the price increasing just makes me unsubscribe

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Woof. I wasn't aware apple intelligence was that bad.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Well one month a year maybe

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Oh well guess I'll continue using streamio until I can be bothered to set up my jellyfin & friends

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    me

    but I choose not to pay for it anymore because the product is less convenient than alternative methods

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    It all feels like a way to bleed money from working class to billionaires. Death by a thousand little cuts.

    I understand buying HBO for a month or two to watch GOT, or Apple for Ted Lasso. I don’t understand keeping it when it’s not being used. Paying for a maybe. Or 4 maybes. Streaming services often get “used” like a gym membership.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Yawns in Stremio

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Back in my day!

    Cable TV subscriptions never increased this quickly...

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    The irony of the company world-famous for being over-priced having the streaming service which most justifies a price increase.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    That's strange, still $0 for me.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Who subscribes to anything anymore, besides basic services/utilities.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I have one for music, dropout.tv, and a service that I use to fill the gap.

    If I didn't watch stuff on dropout, I'd probably donate or keep the sub because it's truly a great company ran by Sam Reich, and I like supporting them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    20 percent? That sounds like 100 percent people don't want to pay for it anymore.

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    If any service is justified it is this

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Agreed. As much as I hate Apple and have never paid for Apple TV, they are putting out some of the best TV shows around

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I'm in the same spot.
    Never liked the way Apple does things. Never bought an Apple product. But the last few months, I've been considering an Apple TV sub. I'm watching 5 or 6 series, and have enjoyed several of their movies.

    I might even give up Netflix for it. Which feels strange, since my Netflix account is nearly as old as Netflix itself. Used to rip so many Netflix DVDs.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Agreed, it has been somewhat underpriced. But I also generally prefer my plex setup, and have only had Apple One for classical music, Friday night MLB games, and F1.

    Strongly considered and almost cancelled Apple One this morning, but figured I’d hang on until the end of baseball and formula 1 seasons. This price jump changed my mind, and now cancelled.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I’ll use their trials and cancel, every time now. I’ll just find alternatives. I am not paying for Netflix twice.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    How much RAM do they have!?

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