Rule would require states to provide federal government with information on voters in return for delivering ballots

The US Postal Service prepared to publish a final ⁠rule late ⁠on ​Friday to impose new requirements on states to provide the federal government with information on voters before the November ⁠midterm congressional elections, despite a ​pair of court ‌orders ‌that currently block the ‌changes from taking effect.

The USPS acknowledged in the text of the final rule posted online Friday, which is scheduled to be published in the Federal Register next week, that two injunctions issued by federal courts in California and Massachusetts currently bar it from moving ahead with the changes to comply with a March executive order signed by Donald Trump.

In accordance with the order, the postal service would ‌require states to give the US Department of Homeland Security and other agencies access to lists of voters and to adopt new balloting procedures before the mail agency would make deliveries. If states did not comply, the USPS would refuse to deliver the ballots.

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[–] 69 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Disgusting strategy, theyre trying to run out the clock and the "supreme court" may let them

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Since when does USPS supercede a court of law?

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (23 children)

    Isn’t the entire west coast only mail in ballots? Is that the plan? To stop 3 states from voting at all in federal elections?

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    I'm in Oregon and plan on delivering my ballot to the clerk by hand, I recommend every able body to do the same. I don't trust it at all even without this "rule".

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    If they don’t mail ballots, then how are you going to receive your ballot?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    We receive it by mail but it should come really early like in the next couple weeks, along with a bipartisan booklet explaining the issues from each side by race. If there's any funny business in delivering them there is time to print new ones and pick them up directly from the clerk, ours is in the courthouse.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    For you, this may work, but there’s two problems.

    A - the majority of people will be unaware of this development until voting day rolls around and they’re like “where’s my ballot?” if they register the problem at all. For some, the ballot arriving in the mail is the only reminder they have that there’s a vote happening.

    B - people work. People have no transportation. People have no physical capacity to stand in line. And with A happening there’s a good chance they won’t have time to arrange for anything if they even have anyone in their lives to help them with it.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    I'm in WA and I never vote by mail. That's mainly because there's a real ballot box not far from me and not much farther from me than the USPS office. But it's also because it eliminates the opportunity for someone in the mail delivery chain to steal, destroy, or misdirect my ballot.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Always, always use the ballot boxes.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Where are you going get your ballot if it’s not being delivered to your mailbox?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Republican agents firebombed a fuck ton of ballot boxes in the last election.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    A fuck ton? I don't remember a fuck ton. I remember a few in Oregon, not "a fuck ton". There are literal thousands of them in service, and the vast majority were not damaged. Plus, they have implemented better fire security because of those incidents, and many people's ballots that were damaged were allowed to vote again.

    This just sounds like fearmongering about ballot boxes for some reason. The USPS is actually in a position where it's possible to drastically affect an election. A group of chuds is not able to affect that many ballotboxes. What exactly are you advocating for, what's your solution?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Calm your fuckin tits. Ballot boxes are fine just be aware that many will likely be torched again this fall. They have no intention to lose this election, and they will pull out the stops. This is an existential threat, the republicans would not be doing what they're doing if they ever thought they'd face consequences. Plan accordingly.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I’m in WA and I never vote by mail.

    Sorry, but that's incorrect. Barring exceptions, everyone in WA always votes by mail. Your ballot is delivered via USPS to your home. You can (and always should, if able) choose to use the drop boxes to turn in your completed ballot, but all ballots are considered mail ballots (though in exceptional cases you can vote in-person at a county elections office). And if the USPS is allowed to institute this new policy, they will refuse to deliver the ballots at all unless the state provides detailed voter registration data for every ballot to the federal government. If that happens, the state will either have to comply, fight it in court, or find a new way to distribute ballots.

    You may or may not be old enough to remember that before the current system, you had to specially request an "absentee" ballot to vote by mail, and most people voted in-person at designated polling sites. Those sites don't exist anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I went to the WA SOS site and it appears that you're correct. I had never thought of the VBM term as encompassing the distribution of ballots. In my mind "voting" is the act of filling in the little circles, popping the ballot into the envelope(s), and returning the ballot somehow. So yes, if Republicans can successfully prevent the distribution of ballots, that's going to be a huge problem in WA state and other states that use primarily VBM. As for "absentee" ballots, I'd heard the term but not in a long time, and mentally associated it with voting systems back east where I'm from and where VBM did not exist when I lived there. An "absentee" ballot was something you requested if you were going to be unable to physically get to the polling location for some reason.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, so historically, it was the same here in WA. You could file a special request for an absentee ballot if you were unable to be physically present to vote, but you had to file your request for every election. In 1991 they made it policy that anyone could request an absentee ballot on an ongoing basis, and that would become your default voting method. In 2005, they gave counties the option of switching to VBM as the default for everyone. Most switched immediately, and I think the rest followed pretty quickly. Back then, there were no drop boxes and you had to mail your ballot back with postage. The drop boxes arrived a few years later, and pre-paid postage was added a little later.

    Republicans hate VBM for two reasons: the ease and convenience increases voter turnout. The voter pamphlets you get with your ballot increase awareness of who and what you're voting for. Both of these things result in fewer Republican wins.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    No, not only mail-in ballots. Voters may choose to mail-in their ballots or submit them the old-fashioned ways. For some, mailing their ballots is easier than old ways and increases voter participation. Republicans want to discourage voter participation, hence the war on voting by mail.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If the post office won’t deliver ballots then how does anyone there receive their ballots?

    Looks like it’s Utah, Colorado, Vermont, and Hawaii as well. Though there’s a good likelihood Utah handed over voter rolls.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    The ballots here arrive in the mail. That includes envelopes to enclose them in when you return them, either by mail or by drop-off somewhere. I've not yet heard of the distribution of ballets by mail being a target of Republicans, but it could happen. Then we'd be back to the real oldy-time voting methods of having to physically go into a polling center where you only got your ballot on arrival. Republicans would love that, because it both discourages voting and would feel like something from the 40s and 50s, the era when America Was Great. Polling centers would also allow greater control over who got to vote - darker-skinned people or people of non-European heritage or women or the disabled or anyone who looked "weird" could be easily turned away without even having seen a ballot.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Mostly people have to work or don’t have transportation so they don’t get to vote. Lines, not everyone is physically capable of standing in line. There are also cases of, whelp, the polling place line is around the block and down the street but it’s 8pm so, too bad, so sad, go home voteless.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago*

    Vote early if you can. Theres gonna be some fuckery in this election, but the more people voting makes the fuckery more obvious.

    Edit:spelling

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    going to be crazy if states have to send out ballots by ups or fedex. or maybe just offer general pick up ballots. that would greatly increase election security. its just unimaginable of how opposite this administration does from what it says.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I would hope most states would do just that combined with huge period of time to drop it off. Colorado typically has about 4 weeks to do so, IIRC (and if the stupid conservative monkeys have not managed to fuck anything up about our system).

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago

    Fuck the USPS.

    They are absolute garbage.

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    [–] 36 points 2 months ago

    To be clear, they published the rule to the federal register. If the I junctions are lifted, the rule will immediately go into effect. This has no immediate effect and hopefully never will.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    I have no intention of trusting the mail, I'm going to deliver my ballot to the county clerk by hand. I recommend everyone else cut the mail out where they can.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Isn't that the best? Choose vote by mail, get the ballot early. Do research and fill it out over weeks when you have time, and then just go to the polling place, skip the line, and hand it to them

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Colorado has drop-off boxes, some of them are drive-through. Same as what you said, but you drop it off on a day that is convenient to you. You have a huge window of time to drop off your filled-out ballot.

    It's a beautiful thing.

    A truly free country would do everything possible to make voting as easy as humanly possible. People going the other direction are not interested in freedom. Even though they talk about "freedom" all the time it's the Southern version of "freedom".

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    India sends a team of 4-6 officials on a 3 day hike in a lion infested jungle to get the vote of a single person (caretaker of a temple)

    https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/5/8/an-election-booth-inside-a-forest-in-india-for-just-one-voter

    https://www.reuters.com/article/world/officials-travel-deep-into-jungle-in-gujarat-to-allow-one-temple-priest-to-vote-idUSKCN1RZ1H0/

    I've often wondered whether those officials look at it as a punishment posting, forced vacation, their job, or something else entirely

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Nepal delivers medicine to remote communities in the Himalayas by drone. And India has much more money than Nepal.

    This is probably a punishment position. It doesn't make any sense otherwise

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Ya I guess I understand part of your point, but I think medicine/life saving equipment/ emergency supplies are something id expect any country to send, but with civil responsibilities like collecting one vote I wouldn't be surprised if any country in the subcontinent just says "too inconvenient/not worth the resources" that's all

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Our county has drop boxes to skip the mail. Now that I think about it, the previous county I lived in had them too. Both are in California.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    My county has the drop boxes as well, but my daughter is going to school out of state. It is a 6 hour drive one way for her to come home to vote. If it were not for mail in ballots she would not have been able to vote for the last 4 years.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    If you can vote early please do so.

    Don't add to lines and delays at polling stations on election day.

    Don't trust your ballot will be postmarked properly if dropped off last day.

    Also late returns and shifting results are used as "evidence" of voter fraud.

    You warm fuzzy feeling going to the polling place on day of election be dammed, vote as early as possible. If you emotionally need to be at polling place on the day of the election, volunteer as a poll worker or watcher, give rides to polling place for those who need.

    Vote as early as you can.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, these rules being put in place don't have to be a barrier to anyone. Get your votes in, don't wait.

    And if you applied for mail in but are concerned that you didn't get one or you didn't mail it, check the provisional laws in your state to see what applies.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    When Trump is in office, the Postal Service dances to his tune, but when Biden was in office, it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to anything to stop the abuse.

    “For far too long, our party has seen its job as managing decline instead of delivering material change for working people,” Mamdani said at a rally headlined by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. “It has seen its job as explaining why we cannot instead of showing how we can."

    This is exactly what he was talking about.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Every time Biden tried there were dozens of judges all the way up to SCOTUS getting in the way, it's a miracle he got anything done at all.

    He should've used all leverage he had to get Trump arrested the week he took over.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    not imprisoning Trump in a black site indefinitely (no contact with outside world whatsoever) was the biggest mistake Biden made, imo.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I said it about Biden, and I'll say it about the next Dem Prez in 2028: the first thing they should do when they step off the podium after saying I do, is call for the arrests of the primary players, and their transport to Guantanamo Bay by the end of the day. They will be extensively interrogated, and we'll find out about EVERYTHING. Then they will be incarcerated in Gitmo for the remainder of their lives, with no contact with each other, or anyone on the outside. There will be no news of them until the announcement of their deaths.

    MAGA estates will be fully confiscated, and their corporations operated with revenues going to benefit the American people. Maga family members who didn't end up in Gitmo better find a job.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Then hold the fucker Trump appointed to this position in contempt.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    If you live in Texas, you can vote early from October 19th to October 30th, 7 a.m. to 7pm. There is absolutely no reason you can't find the 20 minutes it will take to vote sometime between 7am and 7pm from October 19th to October 30th. If you live in one of these counties, you can vote at any polling station in the county you reside in.

    Vote!

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    "I'm writing an official letter and posting it on the refrigerator. It says that if they make it legal to shit in the fountain at the bellagio, then I will IMMEDIATELY be doing that. And now I just wait..."

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Oh yeah. Because America is a lawless shit hole. Courts don’t mean shit to trump ass lickers.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (11 children)

    1 in 3 is honestly crazy. I don't know anybody that votes by mail.

    edit: lots of down votes for different experiences. Ya'll suck.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's the only way I've voted for years. It's so nice to get my ballot and be able to take the time over a cup of coffee at home to research every candidate and proposition so that I'm making an informed decision.

    The alternative is to give the ability to kneecap populated blue districts so that lines are 6+ hours long, dissuading people in those blue areas from voting. A real democracy requires voting to be easy, quick, and free, without prejudice. Voting by mail is the simplest and best solution for most people.

    I'm not sure I've ever been nosey enough to ask other people how they vote, so you might be very surprised by how many people you know are voting by mail. Unless you're in a state that makes it complicated for no reason, it just doesn't make sense to waste so much time and energy on driving somewhere and standing in line and then feeling rushed in the booth or else risk a mistake that invalidates your ballot. Here in Virginia, I think it was just a one time application to receive my ballots by mail and I didn't need to cite any reason to qualify for it. It's just an objectively better process. You should look into how to do it in your state and try it for yourself. And if it's not easily available, you should be asking yourself why anybody would want to make it harder to participate in their democratic process. Forcing it to be an in person only option restricts it to people with enough time and money to be able to get to their polling place and spend significant time on what for others is likely a work/school day. It's targeted voter suppression.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    Have lived in WA state. It's super nice and convenient. They send a pamphlet with all the candidates names and BLUFs a few weeks ahead of time, and then a ballot shows up in my mailbox. I do more research on the candidates, fill it out and either drop it off at one of the many drop boxes around town, or put it back in the mail. Honestly it keeps me more involved in local elections, because I can't really say I'd be remembering/prioritizing going to vote in person for the local races not in main election season.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Wut? When I registered to vote in California, they told me to check the box to vote by mail.

    Why wouldn't you want the time to get the ballot early, do your research over weeks or months to slowly fill it out, and then send it out in your PJs?

    I'm surprised it's not 9 out of 10 that vote by mail

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Yup. Colorado here. I don't know why anyone would bother to vote in-person, on the day of the election unless they had highly unusual circumstances.

    I typically drop my filled-out ballot going through one of the drive-through locations on my way to/from work.

    It's a beautiful thing. I've had to stand in line, in person before and I really don't want to go back.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Vermont, and Washington (both the state of and DC) have all-by-mail voting. I imagine some of the particulars vary slightly, but in general you get a ballot a few weeks prior along with some associated info, and then either mail it back and/or drop it off somewhere. Presumably there are in-person locations available for edge cases, but the overwhelming majority of voters in those areas do so by mail.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Call your rep. ask for online voting.

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    [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    There is quite a bit they can do legally, unfortunately, like last time when they decided to shut down mail sorting machines all accorss the country.

    Make a plan to show up on Election Day. If your precinct has an early voting location, use it. Make sure your ballot gets into a ballot box physically.

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