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[–] 59 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

If a piece of the model's answer is genuinely useful, quote it and say why. "I checked with Claude and this part lines up:" works great.

It still drives me nuts when my boss does that. Especially since the next thing he sends is a bunch of AI-generated code he just wants us to copy and paste into our application. He treats anything the magic AI says as authoritative, and it overrides anything an actual person can say to him.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I am once again astounded at how stupid people are, man. People be sending me AI-generated statements to prove me wrong all the time. I have a family member who always tries to be sly about it but I always see through it and they don't understand how I do but they sure keep fucking doing it.

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  • [–] 154 points 2 months ago* (17 children)

    Ironically this page seems to be entirely made of slop, the whole text reeks of claudisms, as opposed to https://noslopgrenade.com/

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  • [–] 59 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    What really seals it is the 'angry' version, which is just the same message again but with different formatting. No human would label that as "the angry version" without the inclusion of at least one "fucking".

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It says “but for fucks sake” in the angry version though.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Oh yeah, you're right, there is a swear in it! I do still feel it's extremely tame for being an "angry" voice though. For comparison, this is what a human sounds like when ranting about a topic they care about.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I honestly think the styling is the main reason it feels AI.

    because the sentences are too short, they're a style I sort of writes at times. Just sort of. LLMs tends to output longer sentences, rather than the two-three words. Then dot. That's a rare one for LLM

    However it's not an anti AI site, so they might have vibe styled it and probably had a LLM help with some of the wording. However I think a human did vet and rewrite parts of it.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    Em dashes being associated with AI is a disservice to them; in many cases they're a far more suitable use of punctuation in interrupting a sentence than parentheses.

    In this instance, however, the em dashes between the first and second parts of sentences would be better replaced with semicolons than commas, in my opinion.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Yea, if it would have been only the em dashes, I would not have shared it but it was also committed by Claude which heightens the possibility of the text also being generated I think.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    They're definitely more likely to be used by AI than by the average person, but I think that's in large part because people aren't generally taught to use them, along with their absence from keyboards.

    Since keyboards have two minus sign keys, I have a script running on my computer to automatically replace one of their inputs with an em dash.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I mean, to be fair, if I have to extend something to meet a word minimum I naturally ramble like a bot just filling it up with pointless junk.

    Why I did so much better in "business writing" at uni, they rarely gave me minimums, only the need for usable content that met the criteria for a proper answer.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but "Here's what you just did" and the "What you sent instead says:" and especially the "The whole thing. Yes, even the bullets. Especially the bullets."

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    if someone pastes text from llm, i wont even read it.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It honestly feels very disrespectful of my time when someone sends me an AI slop response or email.

    Don't be that person.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I would be stricken with grief if my reputation ever took a hit like that. I would resign and become a nomadic goat farmer. Or a bin man. Any job with heaps of shit, which is apparently my true calling.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 months ago (24 children)

    I never have this problem of people giving me AI responses to my questions.

    What I do have a problem with is people who do this:

    https://nohello.net/en/

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It has been an interesting experience telling people who only say hello that they're being rude.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Some people will eventually understand that they're wasting your time (when they clearly have something they want) by waiting for you to answer (and effectively have to wait on them) before they respond with what the ask is when you could have just answered it the first time.

    Those people are just as bad as the ones who just send "hey, can I ask you a question?" and then nothing else until you acknowledge them.

    https://dontasktoask.com/

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Just ignore them. They will catch on eventually.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, I straight up don't respond until they've asked/said the thing that they're contacting me for.

    Usually they finish their thought without me ever needing to respond. I did have one coworker who just... never said anything else. That's also a win.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I used to contract with a company where it was almost ubiquitous for someone to start a text-based conversation with the entire message: "Hey..." — ellipses and everything. It was bad enough that other members of my company that were contracted to the same contract would jokingly add ellipses to random things when messaging each other.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Are you talking about people just saying "hi" or the meta-behavior of people using nohello.net in their Teams/Slack status? Because the latter is more annoying to me

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    How come you find the latter annoying?

    It's the most effective way to let the entire company aware they should not start their conversation that way with me

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    IDK, have you considered that perhaps the people demanding to be approached/questioned in a specific way are the friction point here?

    Even on the nohello site, the "right" and "wrong" conversations are the exact same length (two messages each way). I genuinely struggle to see the point of any of this.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    The questions may be the same length, but what isn't the same length is the time between the initial asking and the final answer. In the first example the actual question isn't asked for 5 minutes after the initial conversation start, whereas in the second example the whole exchange is over in less than 2 minutes.

    You looked at the word count but not the timestamps.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The hello is not the issue. But getting a notification before the question is.

    Ultimately what happens if there's a bunch of "helloers" approaching you, you end up muting the messaging app and only check messages every X time. Rather than being available, pros and cons. And there's definitely an argument to be had, that it's the superior way of working - But hello only people, just shoot themselves in their foot and get longer time to response

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I should probably clarify that it's pretty rare for me to receive a message that's literally just "hello" or "hi" followed by nothing. At the least I'll see the typing indicator so I know there's more coming, but the link in the status message just reads passive aggressive. Also - is the person that's sending you a ping or SYN really going to notice your status?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Also - is the person that's sending you a ping or SYN really going to notice your status?

    I know for a fact several did, as I've had a lot of former hello only people ask about the status through the years

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Have you ever considered that you're wasting everyone's time by not getting to the point?

    I genuinely struggle to see the point of any of this.

    Clearly, considering you didn't even check the timing on the messages and see the first one took twice as long (both in time, and in actual messages because half of the second convo are just them thanking each other)

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    One of a very few areas where /c/fuck_ai and /r/singularity can agree

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Pro tip for any hiring managers out there. At the end of your job description, prompt inject something that is totally unrelated to the job at the end of the job posting. So far I have been able to catch 75% of the sloppy AI applications using this method. For me I added something like, a nice to have is to explain and understand an Q shaped team structure.

    AI gets super creative with what that means(means nothing). For the people who do get through, that is usually their first question to me.

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  • [–] 112 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    Personally "I checked with Claude" invalidates anything you just said, even if it was properly researched and legitimately correct. As soon as you invoke the slopbots I lose any regard for your answer.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Judging or dismissing a PERSON for using tools you don’t respect = valid.

    Saying you “invalidate” content that is “properly researched and legitimately correct” = what?

    I mean most people have no idea how to “properly research” - this has been true for centuries - sloppy research is not a new phenomenon. If something was “properly researched” why would you reject it?

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Because we don't see all that research, we just see a comment where you said you asked the hallucination machine, so now, if I want to use anything you said, I have to go duplicate all that research before I can trust it.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That's true regardless of the sources someone used.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    So what you meant to say was “if you claim that you legitimately researched but you mention Claude - I will assume you did not”.

    Which is valid. But is not what you said.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    More accurately, if you claim you used Claude, I will assume absolutely anything produced with it has a high chance of being rife with errors. If you provided citations for every last detail and then said Claude put it together, I wouldn't trust it until I've personally verified the sources because not only will it hallucinate details, it'll hallucinate sources. Anything produced with it is inherently untrustworthy.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    To add on to what you said, i would trust the same thing more if it was just a human saying it was correct and implicitly staking their reputation on it, vs if the same person said, "i checked with Claude and it agreed."

    To me, this means the person turned off their brain and is invoking Claude's reputation, which also means i shouldn't trust that person's judgment either.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    As the one says above it is "Appeal to Authority" by adding Claude, or ChatrGPT for the more base level folks, from what I have seen.

    Somehow they assume that putting that in will somehow make their words more valid, but hearing it makes me question everything, and dismiss potential valid points made alongside it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Saying you “invalidate” content that is “properly researched and legitimately correct” = what?

    I read it as meaning the definition of the person producing the content of “properly researched and legitimately correct” rather than one's own.

    Content produced by somebody who claims it has been “properly researched and legitimately correct” and that person thinks Claude is a proper research and validation tool, should be treated as invalid until proven otherwise.

    It's like when a Junior level professional comes to you with something and says "I made sure this is all correct" - one can't really trust that the thing is indeed "all correct".

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Right. They MEANT “if you mention Claude I don’t trust anything else you said”.

    They just didn’t SAY that.

    I’m not a fan of AI and don’t use it - however I can’t say I have found humans to be particularly clear, accurate or reliable either. Myself included… we all make mistakes. 🙂

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  • [+] -11 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    You guys are the worst. I’m now convinced all of you complaining have nothing going on. Every industry is using this shit. I was just watching this video of a big musician YouTuber using a vibe coded app that lets you create guitar tones by what you tell it. Kojima did an ad with Prada using it. You can be the curmudgeon all you fucking want but go do it to the big guys and quit fighting this bullshit culture war against low hanging fruit. You miserable fucks.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Every industry is using this shit.

    So I work for a landscaping company. How is AI going to help me move piles of dirt, or rake up leaves?

    We already tried using it to generate site plans/maps and communicate with clients, and it's worse than useless for both of those things. What else you got for me?

    BTW, I'm not genuinely asking for business advice here, I'm pushing back against your assertion that every industry is using this shit. I'd go as far as to say that AI has no relevance to most workplaces.

    "Vibe coded app that lets you create guitar tones by what you tell it" buddy, I've played guitar for years, and this sounds silly as hell to me. Describing the tone I want in English words sounds much more difficult than just twisting some knobs. I think the youtuber guy may just be trying to sell a product.

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