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[–] 140 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

ALRIGHT THAT'S THE CORRECT WAY TO CELEBRATE HALLOWEEN, LETS FUCKING GO.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Need to agree on a common costume, otherwise someone is going to stick out as the one guy wearing a luigi costume and coincidentally all the cameras were destroyed by one dude in a luigi costume.

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  • [–] 85 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Flock will be on the alert October 31.

    But I have observed you can wear a Halloween costume, including masks, any day starting October 1st without attracting (the bad kind of ) attention or seeming out of place. It's fun, economical (get more use out of costume) and I encourage everyone to do it as often as feasible. Whether you deflock your neighborhood or just provide cover for those who do, you'll also be confusing the cameras and messing with the data.

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  • [–] 71 points 2 months ago (33 children)

    I really, really hope people don't go out en masse and destroy every single Flock camera that is unconstitutionally filming and profiling them, because it would be a terrible crime to do so. Definitely do not do this people.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Definitely don't remind people to leave their phones at home or use a Faraday bag to shield their tech.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Indeed. Not having those signals to trace could make it significantly more difficult for law enforcement to identify you, and we certainly don't want the essential job of law enforcement to be inhibited.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Also people shouldn't be wearing masks. That would be make them even harder to identify for law enforcement.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Camera can still track you with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, keep that in mind

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Only the most dastardly vandals would leave their phone (and all other Bluetooth devices) at home, plugged in charging, auto-lock fully disabled, on their home WiFi, with YouTube set to auto-play a playlist. That would create a watch history that the vandal could later use to prove that they were active at home at the time of the crime. Again, you definitely shouldn’t do that.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    they probably are constitutional, but only because the constitution says nothing about tge government buying data from private companies.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    People are downvoting you, but you’re right. It’s one of the reasons why the constitution is weak in the modern era, and in need of massive additions. It just is too vague, too geared towards a world that no longer exists, and hasn’t existed for over 70 years.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    9th amendment.

    It's the best amendment, despite being, legally, the most useless.

    I would argue that it was meant to cover the kind of situation where a private company is given government permission to gather surveillance data from the citizenry, in exchange for access to said data.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    Not American. What is flock? Is this like a ring doorbell? Are people suggesting to destroy personal property of their neighbours?

    Or is this like some government cameras that are in public spaces filming ?

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago* (9 children)

    Or is this like some government cameras that are in public spaces filming ?

    It's a nationwide network of cameras used by federal, state, and local governments to track and profile people in public. It doesn't just record, but builds a database of information on every car, license plate, and person that's filmed, so it's seen to be very dystopian.

    Even worse, the tech gets it wrong and mistaken identity is common, and it ends up endangering people due to the violent methods US police employ. However, it's privacy concerns that are foremost, because there's an amendment in our country's Constitution that should prohibit this kind of privacy violation.

    If you'd like to learn more, I made a YT video on the topic recently.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    don't forget how many of them are just straight up creep cameras, installed pointing at childrens pools, playgrounds, peoples homes, etc.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    And this is why calling them “license plate readers” is hugely disingenuous, to the point of being straight up propaganda. The term vastly downplays what they can do. They don’t just scan license plates. They scan nearby devices’ Bluetooth and WiFi signals. They scan faces. They scan gait to determine specific limb proportions. They scan tattoos and birthmarks. They scan bumper stickers, dings/dents, etc… If you walk in front of a camera, it will use every trick in the book to try and figure out who you are specifically.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Wild stuff. That is far worse than I thought was going on.

    What a scary timeline and I hope the country and sort out this stuff and reform this type activity.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    They're not just cameras. They also log nearby mobile devices. They've gone from a few hundred nationwide to over 100,000 in like 2 years.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Government contracted cameras in public spaces.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Not just cameras. They also have RFID, WiFi, Bluetooth, and probably other crap I don't remember. The idea is that even if the face rec doesn't identify you, they still can by probing for credit cards and mobile devices. Disgusting.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Wow. Thanks for informing me. Stay safe guys

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  • [–] 51 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I'm dressing as a Flockjack for Halloween! I wouldn't mind Halloween shifting to be an annual purging by the people of government surveillance.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    We could just cut out the middle man and purge the rich.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Just spitballing, we could call it, oh i dunno The Purge ^^TM^^ or something.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    (Trivia: on windows, alt+0153 will give you the ™ symbol - it's ctrl+shift+u+[some hex string I can't remember] on linux! If you're on mobile, godspeed.)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately, alt codes never worked for me because I don't have a numpad. L to all my fellow 80% or smaller keyboard users. Works fine on Linux though, the number is 2122.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Use Faraday pouches or leave your phone at home this Halloween. Flock cams gather Bluetooth, cellular, and WiFi data as you pass by them

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    It's part of the same issue - lack of US GDPR.
    We need to demand US GDPR because there are other issues - companies like Lexis nexis are buying your stolen data from the dark net and reselling. Facebook pervert glasses, google siphoning our data and others we don't even know about

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Probably the rock in a shoe trick as well if that's actually a thing.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago

    Take back control, people

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    In my shitty MAGA and evangelical suburb, they welcome Flock.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago*

    I would be careful calling this "de-flock" because one of the more prominent groups against Flock is called Deflock and they already get lies from police calling them a terrorist organization despite never advocating for anything like tearing them down. If I really was putting on my tin foil hat, I'd say this was an intentional false flag operation called "de-flock" to further muddy the waters with regards to the Deflock organization. That's a bit much, though.

    Note that I'm not saying folks shouldn't be participating, I'm only saying a different name for the activity would be prudent.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    C'mon, Americans. We know you guys are cool. We believe in you! Shake this shit off!

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  • [+] 52 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)
  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    U got any good alternatives to recommend? I was given a ring camera as a house warming gift, one of the nice flood light cam ones. Want to get away from ring but also don't want to buy more crap LOL but I want to add a camera to the rear of my house and refuse to have ring recording me on my patio nor do I want to up my subscription. Keep migrating toward self hosting my camera system as the best solution but fuck I also don't have the time to go setting that up right now ... Rambling here but in search of good advice 🙏

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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    Specifically their PoE model. You can record to any ONVIF capable NVR, like Frigate, and restrict access to the feed to only the local network or your own VPN. No sending all your video feeds to a third party that grants the police access.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah this is always been my problem. I kind of do want CCTV cameras on my house because I do live in a sort of high crime area, but I don't see why I should have to pay a subscription to a company just so they can train an AI on my camera footage.

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  • ReoLink appears to keeps things off the cloud. But their doorbell cameras do not support rtsp or anything, its something proprietary. But regardless, they appear to use some form of ddns to allow the camera to stream directly to your phone without going through the cloud.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Why wait 2 months? Just do it whenever it's convenient.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    It's a night you can freely walk round with a mask on

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Just don't forget to leave any electronic devices at home.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    You could just wrap your phone in tinfoil, but there is an exact way that you have to do it. If you have ever been somewhere remote without signal, your phone will nuke it's battery trying to find signal by increasing the antenna's power. You have to put it in airplane mode to save your battery. Not matter what you do, even turning your phone off, the antenna will be live sending some signal. The takeaway is that even with a hacky Faraday cage, your phone will try it's hardest to phone home and could win with a tiny tear in the foil.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Honestly just easier to leave it at home. Or in your vehicle, assuming you didn't pass by the camera on your way, and leave it sufficiently far enough away. I doubt they can read RFID from cards yet, even at a close enough distance to cut the pole down, but might want to leave those at home as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Why is it so hard for people to just leave their electronics at home?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    They've become so attached that they get anxious without them.

    "Oh man, I gotta park far away so it doesn't read my plates and info from the car... Well I've gotta bring my Galaxy watch so it counts all the extra steps I'll be taking."

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Looking at ICE, any night is.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I really feel like you could astroturf MAGA rednecks into destroying flock cams with the right propaganda campaign. And probably a bunch of other shit they think they believe in. But there are conservative think tanks already engaged in this type of online propaganda pushing them in the other direction.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    All of their media makes up fears that they will be robbed, car jacked, shot, or have to answer to a supervisor of a different gender or race than you.

    Bullshit like flock cameras, more police, and ICE are obvious answer when their pea brains are soaked in fear hormones every waking hour.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I also heard that people are focusing on a Spiderman costume in particular. It’ll be popular since the movie just came out and it has full face coverage. You can also order a size larger and wear extra clothes to hide your real body size.

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    [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Tips on how to protect yourselves when you have to, you know.

    Masks, camouflage outfits park somewhere far?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (1 child)
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    inb4 Mr Perennial Pumpkin cancels Halloween

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Practical Democracy

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    We had millions in the streets for NO KINGS. Your telling me we can't get 80k Flock/Axon cameras down.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Americans rediscover the origins Carnival and Saturnalia.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Guessing you mean:

    During these festivities, there was a temporary release from social obligations and hierarchies to make way for the overthrow of order, joking and debauchery.

    ?

    Which is... yeah, the whole origins of "trick-or-treat". Not sure it quite needs rediscovering.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Time to invest in Sawzall and blade manufacturers.

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