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[–] 114 points 2 months ago (3 children)

A German three letter agency had a similar ad. They were looking for someone who was proficient in encryption, hacking, protocols on Windows, Mac and Linux, and a few other things in that area. Experienced both in programming and leadership. And as a cherry on the top, this person would have to have knowledge about all the legal aspects of all of this, too.

All for a midrange bureaucrat salary. A security expert commented on this something like "if i had someone with that kind of skill set and experience, I would hire him out for a daily fee about as high as their offered monthly salary."

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  • [–] 51 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Many years ago I got offered 20% over minimum wage to manage, among other things, all email servers of a large banking association representing >90% of a national market.

    It was less than what a Tesco cashier was making in the area.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    When I was a student, I already had my Novell admin certificate, so it got some jobs on the side. Someone pointed me to a law firm where the owner wanted their PCs networked. We met, he showed me the list of hardware he wanted to buy - everything top notch, big server, new PCs with all bells, whistles and gongs back then, 19in rack for all the necessities, etc. That list was an offer from an expensive office outfitter he knew.

    He "just" needed someone to install the stuff. I could easily have done that, but all he offered was a kind of internship. Oh what I could learn from working with top of the pop equipment! I told him I was here because it already knew everything that was needed. He then offered me that I could take the old PCs as "compensation".

    I left, and warned others not to waste time with that idiot.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    And people still get mad when we give honest feedback about compensation.

    Shout-out to the recruiter who tried to convince me to take a 60k paycut because nobody will pay my current rate ( the one I was already being paid ). I strive to reach your level of audacity one day.

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  • [–] 106 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Wait this is just my current job but with double the pay...

    fuck I gotta get a new job

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, you need a new job. This is also my current job for not enough pay. You're getting shafted.

    With that being said, this isn't really 3 jobs like the post implies. If you've worked with data integrations before, you know how SQL, APIs and cloud solutions interact.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    P1: Printer not working again!

    P2: Ah I'll go tell that programmer guy

    That company, probably

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Well it doesn't say you have to do any of them well.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    If its a small company you are going to have people split between multiple things as it doesn't make financial sense to have 3 specialists.

    Where I work is under 30 people, we don't have a HR department or even a HR role. HR is done by someone who also has other roles to fill.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You won’t get away with 100k if printer issues are included.. your soul and those of the other employees would be a start.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    anything to do with printers better be 200k or higher

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Eh I had a job like this. Was for a small company. If that was a large corp id say fuck no but if small company? Its fine.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago

    Honestly, this is what we currently have at our mid sized company. We get paid dogshit, nobody has a dedicated position we're just all "IT" and we do everything to keep shit running

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  • [–] 61 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    Am I crazy that those sound reasonable IT manager level things? If company size is 100-200 endpoints, the IT manager should understand all of these, if he/she doesn't, I would not want to work at that IT team

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You're not crazy, it's just that posts like this are generally tribal. Nobody here actually knows what the day-to-day of that job is, they just want a pretext to vent about their own experiences of being asked to do work that they didn't want to do.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    also potentially unpopular opinion: I've encountered about as many engineers over the years that were under-skilled for their positions, than ones who were competent. Whenever I see posters whine about how unreasonable the requirements for a job posting is, I always instinctively read it in one of the former's voices...

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    It manager level for entry level pay

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Have you seen pay these days? Where are you getting 110k entry level?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If it's an onsite position, it depends on living costs.

    Some people are claiming 3k for rent is the minimum in the area. Just north of Beverly Hills.

    That's half the salary, just for a studio apartment. Then there's another chunk for taxes and they're left with 1-2k for general expenses and living life.

    Salaries isn't a simple thing you can move from one area to another

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    California has a minimum wage for software employees to be salaried and not pay them overtime (salaried exempt). It's about $123k. I've never seen an entry level position that didn't expect overtime, so $110k is actually low unless it's a part time internship.

    Also leaving that link there for anyone who might have just discovered their employer is doing wage theft and owes them a lot of money.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago

    I've worked at places with <50 people where the 2 IT people had "manager" titles, but they were just "the IT people" in practice - one handled user stuff, the other was focused on the client-facing infrastructure.

    Our lone HR person was also the "HR manager", we had a single "accounting manager", and a couple more like that. Some departments ended up expanding and the "managers" did end up with direct reports, but that's kinda just how small businesses work, this posting sounds a lot like that.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    "Manager" in this context generally doesn't mean someone who has people reporting to them, it means someone who manages the IT. It can absolutely be an early-career role. See also: equipment manager, facilities manager etc.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    There’s not enough hours in day to do all those tasks that this will entail. You’ll constantly be dragged between different domains nd have no time to focus on anything

    Source: I’ve done this job before. Company wasn’t even big either. Just 30 people or so

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Honestly for 30 people it's understandable, hiring properly would be like 10% of the company already lol

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Meanwhile CEO makes 3mil a year while planning to sell merge the company with another one and get the golden parachute.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is basically my current job. Almost the same pay (120k) in the Seattle area.

    I work 50-70 hours a week

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Would be an OK salary for most of Europe. Most countries here have relatively solid health care insurance, affordable education and a pension fund included, so that some of the biggest costs of living in the US don't even make a dent in the salary.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I'm in Sweden, this would be an amazing salary. I make maybe 40% of that, and I'm pretty well paid.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    But you have a functional social safety net, insurance and retirement covered with your taxes. We don't and is horribly expensive to fork $24K a year to have access to health with a $7K deductible while thinking that if you get fired the equivalent of UB pay is $226/wk after you present substantiation to the state that you're trying to get work. On top of that insurance is tied to employment and that heavily influences work mobility and care as if anyone gets anything catastrophic loses the job, the insurance and all your savings.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    But you have a functional social safety net

    I grew up in poverty, I know what this social safety net looked like 20 years ago. It's been hollowed out by a decade of alt-right governance since. They've pushed the non-white welfare king/queen narrative hard.

    Living on subsistence minimum isn't really a comfortable life. You have to constantly apply for it and get scrutinised, and sometimes you get automatically denied because the government has applied a quota that försäkringskassan has to fill; it's luck of the draw.

    It's certainly not something I'd ever view as a nice stress-free fallback to recover from, it's a full-time job in and of itself, and that's not counting the critique you have to put up with from society for using the system as it is intended.

    insurance and retirement covered with your taxes.

    Ish. Current retirees are covered by current taxpayers. My retirement will be covered by future taxpayers. This has lead to the retirement age being bumped up a couple of times the past few years, because there's not enough taxes coming in to cover retirement. I don't expect to ever actually retire.

    The average pension income currently is 16400 crowns a month before taxes. My rent is 8.4k and it goes up with several hundred a year. Pensions generally remain fairly static.

    By insurance I guess you mean healthcare. This is largely true, we have a high-cost protection, and that includes visits so if you buy enough meds or visit the doctors enough each year, the high cost protection kicks in, it's currently at approximately 3000 crowns.

    My a-kassa isn't free, nor is it tax funded. I personally pay for that on a monthly basis. It's also tied to you looking for work.

    There are upsides and downsides to everything. Things get bad here, too.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Great perspective, thank you for sharing that effectively not everything is perfect or works as intended.

    I see your struggle and hope we all can make it right for us, our kids and their kids, thank you for fighting the good fight.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Yeah. I mean I'm grateful I struggle with things here, because I've seen what it can look like in the U.S. - visited a dear friend in 2019, and despite having two people work four jobs they still couldn't really make ends meet. It's heartwrenching.

    Struggle is always struggle. I hope things improve for all of us.

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  • I worked a short stint as a network administrator for a company I did not like at all. I figured it'd be a foot in the door, but boy was I wrong. I didn't last 6 months, I was doing work of a network tech, network admin, security tech for door locks and cameras, a custodian, and general computer tech in all that. It was a VASTLY underpaid position for the work.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    It’s three jobs on a slow day.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Found the listing for anyone curious about the company. It's a recruitment company recruiting for a law firm.

    https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/information-technology-manager-at-bookman-consulting-4453231245

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Surely a law firm can afford to pay each position properly

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Typical of a 20-30 people company where everyone has to do different things.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Our client is a large Law Firm in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks Area) that is looking to hire a talented IT Manager. They have an excellent culture and do a great job at retaining their staff long-term. This person MUST live in LA and be willing to be on site!!

    Though it's not an IT company so their IT department may very well be like 2 or 3 people

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    As a system administrator, I've done all of these to some extent. But at that pay range, it better be part-time.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago*

    That shit would be 45-60k here and it infuriates me.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    That looks closer to a 220~260k salary job posting.

    100~110k in LA area is entry level IT.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    in the rest of the world that is basically a three-job salary.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah I was gonna say. I didn't understand what people were complaining about, that's loads of money to me. I know stuff's more expensive in the US but it's not that much more expensive that 100k isn't an insane amount of money to live off.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You have to have so much more reserves in the US because of the broken health care system, and the car dependence. I live in Germany and my wife and I were thinking about how much more we'd need to save and we found out that we didn't need that much. Healthcare is basically free, we don't have a car, we had enough for a new set of appliances and months of rent. All that with about a half of that salary. But in the US you can easily go broke with that amount of money if you get sick or have car troubles. Also depending on the state poor job security.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    That's about 5-6k a month pay, with rent around 3-4k a month

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    100k/12≈8k, including taxes, after taxes idk depends where you live. My rent is the majority of my income, and I make much less than that, so the absolute amount of money I have after paying for things like rent and utilities, to spend on food, is much less too, even if we assume the same % of income going to rent. Again I'm not saying things aren't more expensive in the US, but it is still a lot of money. You aren't going to be struggling financially. My friends in the US make much less than that. Maybe you'd be less well-off than peers who do the same job, but I hope you realise that for a lot of people elsewhere in the world, that'd be 3 salaries already.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Yeah its not a bad pay, my wife makes close to that amount, I make less and we were able to buy a house after we split the mortgage with her parents, instead of them renting, and us renting, we teamed up and split the house. we are comfortable just a bit cramped. We converted the garage to a kitchen/ living room and we get one bedroom. In laws with their kids get three rooms and the living room and kitchen. now we just have to deal with the two hour commute a day, my job offers free ev charging so that saves us about $500 a month we used to spend on gas.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Two hour commute is quite a lot. Can you not change job?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    We could, but not for the same pay. For example my wife is a teacher if she switches to a local school the salary is 20k less. Another big thing is my job doesn't have a set schedule so when we all commute together I'm not really in a rush as long as she gets there on time. And my parents live right by her school so we can drop off our kid, then I drop her off, and my job is like 15 minutes further so it kind of just works.

    When she's on summer break I can go to work earlier like 5 or 6am and avoid traffic which cuts the commute in half

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's USD 8333 per month, or EUR 7177. I wouldn't say 3 jobs, but pretty good even if it has to feed a whole family and/or taxes are high.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    TBF I am offering 40k to hire someone who should do frontend, backend, GPU shader optimization, database design optimization and API design.

    I have been told this requires a full team of experts. I am not a software engineer, I took the time to study and this is what I've been doing the past 4 years. This person will earn more than I do.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I really thought the response was an AI suggestion at first glance; that would’ve been hilarious.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 2 months ago

    I usually reply to shit job offers and tell them why it’s shit.

    Even when I’m not interested in the job, if it’s anything but full time work from home I’ll let them know I’m only considering ft wfh so that they either raise their offer or reconsider their in-office requirement for the next person that’s actually interested.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    I've worked there, for not nearly that amount of money :(

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    I don't give a shit about the broadness. I'll do whatever they want for my salary . 100k though is 50k short of I'm being generous.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I saw similar when looking for work as a graphic designer, with duties that can be summarised as "design our printed materials, build our website (with JavaScript knowledge required), and also plan our marketing strategy".

    Then when I mentioned this in a Clients from Hell comment section, I got someone defend the practice with that small companies can't afford to hire separate people for the 3 separate skillsets...

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah no shit it's an it manager role

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    PTO listed as a benefit? Must be the USA 😁

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Fuckin sherman oaks ca too. That 110k isn't going far

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Notice how it's not "$100k salary + benefits"

    It's salary = $100k which is base salary + bonuses + benefits.

    Actually salary is probably a bit less than $100k. So scummy to add in benefits to the posted salary.

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