this one was doing it during school >:3
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If I was a teen in school today, I'd make sure to write everything in a system with automatic save and version control. I can see being constantly accused of using an LLM as a major problem.
I'm an educator, and we have the revision history extenstion in Google doc that allows us to see the document as it was written.
If large blocks of text suddenly appear, it indicates plagiarism.
Knowing your students and their lexicon, it's unnecessary for most of us to use it though.
Most of the students that try to sneak AI struggle with writing to begin with, which makes it remarkably obvious when they try to pass off something that is not theirs.
If large blocks of text suddenly appear, it indicates plagiarism.
It doesn't account for students who write stuff on another editor amd copy the stuff over, it's for sure a smaller number of people but i hope you recognize who may who wouldn't do it
There was a website i used in college (2010s) called "Written? Kitten!". Every 100 words of writing in the text box on the left side of the screen would earn a new picture of a kitten on the right side of the screen. Hand to god that website saved my ADHD ass, I wrote a 10 page paper in 3 hours, 100 words/1 kitten/1 dopamine hit at a time. If a teacher had ever looked at my edit history, it would probably look very odd because it would be in 100 and 200 word block chunks for the whole thing.
innocent until proven guilty, I'd say, it's on them to prove you did use AI
Wouldn't that be nice. I haven't been in school for a long time but I do remember being accused of plagiarism and/or cheating by a few petty teachers that could not believe that someone like me actually had a brain. Ultimately, in almost every case, it was up to me to prove that it was my work.
Um maybe we should challenge this guilty until proven innocent framework then?
I work in higher ed. I would say it's "innocent until a professor who doesn't understand what he's doing runs it through his own ChatGPT and asks if it's AI written, and then that's going to be gospel." So yeah we have software that tracks everything students write to avoid it.
Isn't the professor making the problem worse by feeding the students' original works to the LLM to ingest? What's stopping the LLM from using the original works to generate (plagiarize) a very similar work for someone else?
In higher education, some schools have a chain of escalation, and usually things usually don't get to the point of actually doing a "trial" (although that does happen some times)
- students are innocent until the instructor suspects something
- instructors can implement the penalty that they see as appropriate, but the student can appeal to a higher authority if they think it is not appropriate (department, dean, etc)
Even in civil justice systems, guilty until proven innocent doesn't mean that someone faces no restrictions until guilt can be proven. When two parties disagree, they will try to solve it themselves while the court remains an option if that doesn't work out.
Our school actually publishes summaries of the incidents, if anyone is curious what students are getting up to these days: https://universitycounsel.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/media-uploads/files/SD%202024-2025.pdf
They use an AI to check that. Using bigger words than it thinks you should be? Or if it hallucinates? Tough shit.
My kid's school uses Google Classroom and some teachers will check the revision history in Docs.
using version control for essays and stuff sounds like good practice for software development and probably some other fields too
I was looking through one of my old fanfics from 2010 and

I liked a good em dash.
47 in one chapter of a different fic is my record.
Me submitting my college essay with 10 min left after plagiarizing Wikipedia in the 2010s

It's amazing what people will willingly do if they find interest in it.
Writing an essay and writing fan fiction are very different levels of engaging, though.
Sure, but that's a problem of discipline not ability.
In English class (am not from English speaking country) and exams, I always pick the fiction essay category. The school here (back 20 years ago, dunno how they do it now) has formatted essays (like writing a (in)formal letter, or a report) choice for easy marks. I don't like writing those. For what it's worth, I got on average A's on my English exams. There's a minimum word count to reach for free essays, and I used to get comments from my teacher to cut it short and not go past double the word count lol. Sadly I don't remember what that word count was. I am very thankful for my teacher for encouraging my class to read and practice writing English so much. I even have a pocket thesaurus/dictionary I carry everywhere back then alongside whatever novel I was reading that time.
Point is, idk what my point is lol. Just sharing.
Edit: so okay maybe a point can be said about interest of the topic in writing (essays). I did bad on any other topic essays (geography, history, not science though I scored those essays).
To be fair, I would rather write 3 books on something I love than write 3 pages on a school-enforced topic.
Personal interest is important. Too bad that schools very seldom manage to inspire interest in their curriculum.
ChatGPT wasn't released until the early 2020's.
Maybe whoever is hating on teenagers in the 2010's needs to have ChatGPT write their shit posting for them.
Ooh fun fact about this:
Gpt3 and chatgpt came out a good 3 years after the 2020 pandemic, but LLMs were around in 2019 with even a niche mobile DnD style game, AI dungeon, using gpt2 as their core gimmick.
I like to mention this because even before I started boycotting AI, I was thinking "AI dungeon was better at this than chatgpt." I learned it was using gpt2 in the back later.
All that "chatgpt exponentially getting better" is marketing. It's getting better in one thing while worse in the other, at most.
I also like to mention this because AI dungeon went broke from all the server costs. They weren't even training, just hosting, and it was still too unprofitable.
The general public paid nearly no attention to LLMs before ChatGPT though.
When I first read of ChatGPT, I just thought "oh, they turned the technology behind /r/subsimulatorgpt2 into a chatbot, huh, neat". I suspect that a lot of other people had never seen the acronym GPT before though.
Someone else that remembers /r/subsimulatorgpt2. It was fun seeing the bots posting nonsense until they have to shut it down.
Now, not so much...
Was that an LLM in the modern sense? I don't remember this one, but do remember SmarterChild.
just hosting, and it was still too unprofitable.
This is true for the AI companies as well. Only token-priced inference is actually profitable, and companies paying for AI have now realized that it costs like $100k a year or more per developer to be able to use a frontier model all day at token-pricing and doesn't 10x developer output, it just moves the onus from code generation to prompt engineering and code review.
That's too bad, that actually sounds cool.
But something has got to give with all the financial shenanigans and cut throat behavior these AI companies are doing.
The bubble is going to burst at some point.
I remember there was a subreddit that's dedicated to bots using gpt posting nonsense. No non bots are allowed to post there, and sometimes when there's gold we post it on a sister sub to comment on them. IIRC the way it works is there's a bunch of bots that scan some top something subreddits and post in the gpt sub. So for example there would be a /r/worldnews_bot, /r/aww_bot, etc. you get the idea.
The original point is that teenagers in 2010s didn't have access to AI so they had to actually write the essays and suffer (thus the image) While teenagers nowadays have AI and everything is great :D
Except for the small fact that current youth are all dumb as shit because they have AI do everything.
I've watched my nephews and nieces do their homework. My niece (year 5) literally just copied and pasted her maths homework into chatgpt. The boys (year 7 and 8) just run their Spanish homework through translators.
How are they learning anything?
Bring back exercise books. Even if they still cheat and use chatgpt, having to actually write it out by hand means they'd at least know what they're copying.
Why call out just teenagers from the 2010's then?
That is what was driving my understanding of OP's take.
For a long time I thought I hated writing until I started writing on my own with the freedom to write whatever I want. Same thing with reading as well.
Schools are great at killing interest in the intellectual pursuits.
Writing is such a weird thing. Trying to start writing is like trying to start a carburetor car with broken choke in -40°C, but once you get it going you rarely end with just 1 or 2 pages of stuff.
If you can get ChatGPT to be your hot werewolf boyfriend or whatever, what will motivate you to create literature?
its part of the great plot. make the bulk of the next generation literally useless and they become the new homeless druggies and those that barely scrape by are the working class that are too busy struggling to survive to fight back. Even with the small number of current adults actually willing to fight back its not small enough for them to feel comfortable.
I can vouch that this is ACTUALLY true of children in 2026 though.
Yep. I know people who probably would not find their asses in the dark once disconnected from AI. Horrible.
I was writing full books of OC and fanfiction on my LiveJournal as early as 2000. Sucks that it died. All those entries are lost to time now.
Man this reminded me of critiquing a friends homoerotic DBZ fanfic on the bus to school for a few mornings back in highschool.
Wasn't the greatest, it was about a spin the bottle game between Vegeta and Goku but damn can those saiyans fuck.
Fucking pirateaba writes more in a single weekly post than most aspiring authors write in their entire lives.
Damn, if you really need a clanker to do your work for you, I cannot wait to see you in a real job. Let's say working the register at a store. You gonna ask the clanker to do all the work for you? Scan those items and accept money for the increasingly rare case of not using card? Talk to the customers? Bag the items?
I'd ask if those types of people have ever tried writing fanfiction before, but I don't feel like reading a clanker-ass response about how "fanfiction is xyz" because they're too braindead to check if the response actually matches the question.
As someone actively ( and very slowly ) writing not just fanfiction, but other fiction, I am always disgusted by anybody who would ever suggest using genAI to write for them. A story is an extension of your soul and those who use genAI basically proven they are nothing. No personality, no experiences, nothing. All because they actively chose to throw them all away for a clanker.
I mean, yeah, isn't that the point?
they had to write shit they didn't want to, which would take time away from writing stuff that they do want to.
Kids that depend too much on all these AI chats will be in for a rude awakening when their first job limits them to 1-2, news flash, those 1-2 will probably be the worst options
Not to glaze chatgpt, but that really was me writing essays in the 2010s 🥲
Essays and fanfictions are an obvious apples/oranges comparison

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